# I'm sick of the Hillary Bashing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 11, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147 "2008-02-11T14:51:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/81 "2008-02-13T01:21:28Z")
Looks like Obama just took Virginia by a large margin. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/82 "2008-02-13T01:38:41Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Obama didn’t show up for the final vote. Not acceptable, right? [/QUOTE] Well, at least he didn’t take the _entire_ day off, like Clinton. Both candidates have claimed that they oppose telecom amnesty. Is there _any_ evidence of Clinton doing more than talking the talk? I’ve not seen it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/83 "2008-02-13T01:48:15Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Well, at least he didn’t take the _entire_ day off, like Clinton. Both candidates have claimed that they oppose telecom amnesty. Is there _any_ evidence of Clinton doing more than talking the talk? I’ve not seen it. [/QUOTE] Wait a minute? Isn’t it as unacceptable for Obama to skip a vote as it is Clinton? This is precisely the problem I’ve had with Obamaniacs: mindless Hillary bashing and glazed eyes adoration of Obama. The two candidates are not meaningfully different. One just constantly gets smeared and the other Canonized. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/84 "2008-02-13T02:05:16Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Wait a minute? Isn’t it as unacceptable for Obama to skip a vote as it is Clinton? This is precisely the problem I’ve had with Obamaniacs: mindless Hillary bashing and glazed eyes adoration of Obama. The two candidates are not meaningfully different. One just constantly gets smeared and the other Canonized. [/QUOTE] That’s cuz one is a nice guy the other is an asshole. Their positions are substantively different, but you’d have to actually read positions. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/85 "2008-02-13T02:28:15Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] This is precisely the problem I’ve had with Obamaniacs [/QUOTE] Who you calling an Obamamaniac, fuckwit? I’ve been defending her here for weeks. Now she’s shown me that she can’t be bothered to make even a _token_ effort on an issue I care about. Screw her and the horse she rode in on. Sure, she’ll get my vote over McCain/Huckabee if it comes down to that, but she sure isn’t worth fighting for in the primaries. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/86 "2008-02-13T02:33:34Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Who you calling an Obamamaniac, fuckwit? [/QUOTE] I’m calling the hypocrite who thinks it’s unacceptable to not show up for a vote on FISA when it’s Clinton, but when it’s Obama, it’s okay because he didn’t take the “entire” day off, an Obamaniac. It certainly was an Obamaniacal bit of contortion you engaged in just there. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/87 "2008-02-13T02:34:38Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > One just constantly gets smeared and the other Canonized. [QUOTE=mswas] That’s cuz one is a nice guy the other is an asshole. [/QUOTE] When I was young my father and I were discussing the benefits of being likable (not that I wasn’t; it was just general conversation 🙂 ). He commented that if people like you they’ll forgive you anything, but if they don’t like you nothing you do will make them happy. As we all know, a great many people dislike Hillary (and really, she has only herself to blame), and most people like Obama (even a considerable number of us tighty-righties - [not that I’d vote for him or anything](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9466096&postcount=29) ;)), thus Hillary sometimes gets grief for things that Obama gets a pass on. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/88 "2008-02-13T02:41:57Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] As we all know, a great many people dislike Hillary (and really, she has only herself to blame), [/QUOTE] Yeah, nobody at all had anything to do, in any way, with an organized effort to attack the Clintons. Nobody made a cottage industry out of hating Hillary as well as Bill Clinton. Sell it to someone who’s ignorant of the 90’s; I live in Pittsburgh. Scaife and I are (figuratively) neighbors. But she only has herself to blame. If we could only stop deciding who to vote for by figuring out who’s “nice”, maybe we wouldn’t regularly end up in the shit, as a country. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/89 "2008-02-13T02:45:48Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] If we could only stop deciding who to vote for by figuring out who’s “nice”, maybe we wouldn’t regularly end up in the shit, as a country. [/QUOTE] You’ve gotta get your argument straight, **Hentor**. Are people just voting for Obama because he’s nice? Or is is just because he gives a speech? By all means, continue to reduce the man to a caricature. But, if we’re going to undermine the man for the general election, let’s at least do it consistently. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/90 "2008-02-13T02:49:30Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] when it’s Obama, it’s okay because he didn’t take the “entire” day off, an Obamaniac. [/QUOTE] It’s OK because he actually **voted** on the critical ammendment. The passage of some sort of bill today was a given. If it helps you out any, just think of me as a Clinton supporter, who will henceforth show his support by _not_ defending her, or voting for her. Hey, I just realized, by the standard of Clinton’s support for the Dodd ammendment, Obama’s a Clinton supporter too. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/91 "2008-02-13T03:05:07Z")
[QUOTE=Richard Parker] You’ve gotta get your argument straight, **Hentor**. Are people just voting for Obama because he’s nice? Or is is just because he gives a speech? By all means, continue to reduce the man to a caricature. But, if we’re going to undermine the man for the general election, let’s at least do it consistently. [/QUOTE] I retract this. It was uncalled for. I’m just tired of hearing the line that Obama is winning just because he’s nice or eloquent. On re-read, I don’t think that’s exactly what you were saying. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/92 "2008-02-13T03:12:11Z")
[QUOTE=Richard Parker] You’ve gotta get your argument straight, **Hentor**. Are people just voting for Obama because he’s nice? Or is is just because he gives a speech? By all means, continue to reduce the man to a caricature. But, if we’re going to undermine the man for the general election, let’s at least do it consistently. [/QUOTE] I didn’t make the argument that he was nicer, did I? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/93 "2008-02-13T03:25:37Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] It’s OK because he actually **voted** on the critical ammendment. The passage of some sort of bill today was a given. If it helps you out any, just think of me as a Clinton supporter, who will henceforth show his support by _not_ defending her, or voting for her. Hey, I just realized, by the standard of Clinton’s support for the Dodd ammendment, Obama’s a Clinton supporter too. [/QUOTE] None of those votes was any more critical of any other. It was all predetermined. I wish they both voted on all of the amendments and the bill, but I don’t pretend that it would have mattered, or that it is better or worse for one or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/94 "2008-02-13T03:32:17Z")
[QUOTE=Happy Wanderer] Journalists are another kettle of fish. Why should my garbage man be censored? [/QUOTE] He shouldn’t - although it should be pointed out that many journalists don’t cover politics at all, and therefore those things couldn’t realistically be said to bias their coverage. I was just saying there’s some precedent for jobs restricting political expression. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/95 "2008-02-13T03:42:46Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Yeah, nobody at all had anything to do, in any way, with an organized effort to attack the Clintons. Nobody made a cottage industry out of hating Hillary as well as Bill Clinton. Sell it to someone who’s ignorant of the 90’s; I live in Pittsburgh. Scaife and I are (figuratively) neighbors. But she only has herself to blame. If we could only stop deciding who to vote for by figuring out who’s “nice”, maybe we wouldn’t regularly end up in the shit, as a country. [/QUOTE] They are both blatant, unmitigated liars whose sense of right and wrong is defined almost solely by what they can get away with. Add to that, in Hillary’s case, smugness; superiority; blatant pandering and evasiveness; and an arrogant command-and-control personality determined to cram her version of what people need down their throats (whether she’s been elected to do so or not), and you have a person who is imminently unlikable, even around here. The thing about people like the Clintons is that they virtually manufacture enemies through their own arrogance, dishonesty and blatantly offensive behavior. Their problems have nothing to do with “cottage industries” – unless by that you mean focusing on their perfectly obvious shortcomings rather than ignoring them. Further…and this may or may not be how you interpreted my remarks…but I didn’t suggest that people vote for Obama because he was “nice” (or more accurately, likable); I said it helped explain why he seems to get a pass on things like the telecom vote whereas Hillary doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/96 "2008-02-13T04:04:34Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] None of those votes was any more critical of any other. [/QUOTE] That’s an interesting theory. Do you have many such theories? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/97 "2008-02-13T04:12:05Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] That’s an interesting theory. Do you have many such theories? [/QUOTE] What do you mean by that? I don’t understand what “theory” you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/98 "2008-02-13T04:23:46Z")
[QUOTE=Cluricaun] I once read a term here on the boards talking about someone’s eyes referred to as “Manson lamps”. Hillary might have been alright at one point and time, but she’s got those Manson lamps going on big time. She scares the crap out of me. [/QUOTE] And that Pez dispenser smile, egads. I think the top of her head is going to fall off whenever she smiles. And I keep picturing that when it does we’ll see a little person in there pushing buttons and pulling levers. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/99 "2008-02-13T04:35:04Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] I don’t understand what “theory” you are talking about. [/QUOTE] Your theory that “None of those votes was any more critical of any other.” Or is that a statement of _truth_ for you? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147/100 "2008-02-13T06:05:34Z")
Yet another reason I can’t stand the [hypocritical bitch](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400736.html). . . > [@](#): > > Sen. Clinton Hedges Lieberman Support > > Associated Press > Wednesday, July 5, 2006; Page A02 > > ALBANY, N.Y., July 4 – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), a longtime supporter of Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, said Tuesday that **she will not back the Connecticut Democrat’s bid for reelection if he loses their party’s primary**. > > “I’ve known Joe Lieberman for more than 30 years. I have been pleased to support him in his campaign for reelection, and hope that he is our party’s nominee,” the former first lady said in a statement issued by aides. > > “But **I want to be clear that I will support the nominee chosen by Connecticut Democrats in their primary** ,” Clinton added. “I believe in the Democratic Party, and **I believe we must honor the decisions made by Democratic primary voters**.” Really? Seems what was good for the gander doesn’t appear to be good for the goose when the shoe is on _your_ webbed foot, hmm. > [@](#): > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/us/politics/10superdelegates.html?\_r=1&ex=1360299600&en=58c469ddfe29e93c&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/us/politics/10superdelegates.html?_r=1&ex=1360299600&en=58c469ddfe29e93c&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin) > > **Mr. Obama** , talking to reporters in Seattle on Friday, **said he believed superdelegates should follow the will of the voters**. > > “My strong belief is that if we end up with the most states and the most pledged delegates from the most voters in the country, that it would be problematic for the political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voters,” Mr. Obama said. “I think it is also important for superdelegates to think about who will be in the strongest position to defeat John McCain in November and who will be in the strongest position to ensure that we are broadening the base, bringing people who historically have not gotten involved in politics into the fold.” > > **Mrs. Clinton** , campaigning Saturday in Maine, **disputed Mr. Obama’s interpretation of how superdelegates should make their decision** , arguing, as her aides have in conversations with superdelegates, that **they should make an independent decision based on who they thought would be the strongest candidate and president**. I hate her more every day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-the-hillary-bashing/437147.md?page=6)