# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 104
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2061 "2014-03-04T15:55:27Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > See, you don’t even know what a troll is. ☹ I weep. I despair. I gnash my teeth. O troll, where is thy sting? I’ve been convinced all this time that you actually had some chops, **FX**. But now… now I’m afraid I was wrong. Woe! I’d say “congratulations, you fooled me!” but you didn’t even do it on purpose. You got lucky. You accidentally masqueraded as a talented and effective troll, and it was all just an accident. Your mother and I are not angry. We’re disappointed. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2062 "2014-03-04T16:41:52Z")
Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715 (38 kb JPEG image). Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the “Little Ice Age” when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past. The connection between solar activity and terrestrial climate is an area of on-going research. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2063 "2014-03-04T19:54:10Z")
Geez … I’m gone for two days and somebody let’s the anklebiters in. Is John Kerry in Ukraine right now yelling at them about carbon dioxide emissions? Doesn’t this guy know when to stop !!! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2064 "2014-03-04T22:01:51Z")
> [@ITT: FXMastermind presents his evidence that climategate was scientifically meaningful](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/184): > > And now, FX thinks that he is not looking very dumb Did you miss GIGO having a complete meltdown? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2065 "2014-03-04T22:33:49Z")
GIGO is telling everyone how bad it is [when suddenly](http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/841902328.gif?1393870591) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2066 "2014-03-04T23:25:04Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’ve read some science. I read the paper I referred to. And, unlike you, I understood it. In that case you are a super fuckhead, since instead of sharing your wisdom, that only you have, you became just another boring fuckhead. > [@andros](#): > > You got lucky. ( > [@ITT: FXMastermind presents his evidence that climategate was scientifically meaningful](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/itt-fxmastermind-presents-his-evidence-that-climategate-was-scientifically-meaningful/679981/181): > > I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I do not mind a troll. I mind a _poor_ troll. Nobody cares. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2067 "2014-03-04T23:39:19Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Nobody cares. That’s where you’re wrong FX … from [this cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_pressure_variation): > [@](#): > > Therefore, instead of pressure being a linear function of height as one might expect from the more simple formula given in the “basic formula” section, it is more accurately represented as an exponential function of height. > > Note that even that is a simplification, as temperature also varies with height. However, the temperature variation within the lower layers (troposphere, stratosphere) is only in the dozens of degrees, as opposed to difference between either and absolute zero, which is in the hundreds, so it is a reasonably small difference. For smaller height differences, including those from top to bottom of even the tallest of buildings, (like the CN tower) or for mountains of comparable size, the temperature variation will easily be within the single-digits. (See also lapse rate.) > > An alternative derivation, shown by the Portland State Aerospace Society,[7] is used to give height as a function of pressure instead. This may seem counter-intuitive, as pressure results from height rather than vice versa, but such a formula can be useful in finding height based on pressure difference when one knows the latter and not the former. Different formulas are presented for different kinds of approximations; for comparison with the previous formula, the first referenced from the article will be the one applying the same constant-temperature approximation; in which case: > > z = (-RT/g) \ln (P/P\_0) > > Where > > ``` > z is the elevation, > R is the gas constant, > T is temperature in kelvin, > g is gravity, > P is pressure at a given point, and > P0 is pressure at the reference point. > > ``` > > And for the sake of comparison to the above, another formula derived in the same article shows a more complete picture for when constant temperature isn’t assumed, and is also a formula for height as a function of pressure difference: > > z = (T\_0/L)((P/P\_0)^{-LR/g} - 1) > > Where > > ``` > L is the atmospheric lapse rate, and > T0 is the temperature at the same reference point for which P=P0 > > ``` > > Apart from that, the units are the same as those of the formula mentioned before it. > > Basically, which formula is best to use depends on which variables are known, which are meant to be found, and which simplifying assumptions are valid to make. How does that fit into your butchery of those poor walnut trees, huh, huh? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2068 "2014-03-04T23:41:09Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [when suddenly](http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/841902328.gif?1393870591) In slow-motion no less … too funny. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2069 "2014-03-05T11:17:17Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > In that case you are a super fuckhead, since instead of sharing your wisdom, that only you have, you became just another boring fuckhead. Oh dear - am I boring you? I didn’t say I had a “solution”. I said I read the article and understood it. If you can’t comprehend short simple English sentences I’m not sure why you think you can follow complex SCIENCE. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2070 "2014-03-05T11:43:10Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Oh dear - am I boring you? Like any boor, you can’t tell, it’s a main reason why somebody is a boor. And once again, you wasted time, rather than sharing anything that might actually be interesting. Hell, nobody even knows what paper you are talking about. You are actually that boring. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2071 "2014-03-05T11:44:39Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > That’s where you’re wrong FX … Oh great, I’m wrong again? Goddamn it, I am so sick of this shit. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2072 "2014-03-05T13:01:11Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > … even James Lovelock (who was the one interviewed for that silly piece) has dropped and repudiated his previous alarmism. So have I, so have I. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2073 "2014-03-05T16:20:10Z")
Superlative weather here, must be colder than a motherfucker back East. It’s that special time of year when the heavy driving winter rains finally give way to the heavy driving spring rains. Crap, I need to go deadhead the daffodils already … ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2074 "2014-03-05T17:26:00Z")
Where the fuck is “here”? Pacific northwest? Southern Cali? Where? Florida is still having an old time winter, like in the 20s and 30s, warm and dry, lots of sunshine, with occasional heavy rains. Everything is a month into spring, and unless we have a son of a bitch colder than fuck March, like last year, it will be a bumper year for mangoes. Superb weather. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2075 "2014-03-05T17:30:43Z")
[Toon from Ted Rall.](http://rall.com/) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2076 "2014-03-05T17:32:47Z")
Quit spamming It’s not funny either ---
**Author:** ![statij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@statij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statij)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2077 "2014-03-05T17:59:06Z")
FXMastermind, the arbiter of what is spam and funny. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2078 "2014-03-05T19:18:40Z")
Thank you thank you, be sure and tip your bartender and waitress ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2079 "2014-03-05T19:46:17Z")
[Warm Winter Turns Iditarod Trail Into ‘Minefield’ With ‘No Snow’](http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/04/3357501/warm-winter-iditarod-minefield-snow/#) > [@](#): > > While much of the local buzz is on whether the usual strong slate of Alaskan mushers can hold off the Norwegians, much of the attention has turned to how the race will be affected by the warm weather Alaska experienced earlier this year. > > “It’s a minefield out there,” said former Yukon Quest champion Hugh Neff. “It’s the roughest I’ve ever seen,” said Jeff King, a 22-time race finisher. Aliy Zirkle reported “No snow. Zip. Zero. None.” Many suffered crashes, busted knees, bruises, and sprained ankles. Several are out of the race already. > > With the polar vortex shifting winter upside-down and melting large parts of Alaska with springlike temperatures, the state began the year with more melting snow than usual.\*\* In fact, across the globe, January 2014 was the fourth-hottest January on record, according to NOAA\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2080 "2014-03-05T20:05:11Z")
Yes, and [you can see how warm it was here](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2014&month_last=1&sat=4&sst=3&type=anoms&mean_gen=01&year1=2014&year2=2014&base1=1980&base2=2002&radius=250&pol=rob). frightening actually. Especially if you live near the great lakes [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=103) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=105)