# I'm sick of this Global Warming!
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)
#### Post date: [April 1, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2321 "2014-04-01T20:30:59Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#):
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> Look, if I’m ever in a thread where he makes a flawed claim about race – or a flawed claim about anything else – I’ll gladly offer an assessment on the spot. And if I ever happen to be in a thread where _you’re_ offering up half-a-dozen flawed claims, I’ll of course point that out likewise.
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> Since you did the latter over the last couple of pages, I assessed you on the spot; if I ever see him following your example, I’ll assess him accordingly.
Waldo, you haven’t gotten some brilliant gotcha.
I missed a single post by Brazil, and addressed it immediately after. I assessed their beliefs on climate change based on their conduct in this thread, and their vociferous use of terms like “warmists”. I never even said it was factually their beliefs. I said I assumed it was.
That’s your amazing lapse on my part. You smell blood, and want to pounce, I get it. You go girl.
I liked the Original Waldo Pepper much better. 😃
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2014, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2322 "2014-04-02T00:04:30Z")
> [@Lobohan](#):
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> Waldo, you haven’t gotten some brilliant gotcha.
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> I missed a single post by Brazil, and addressed it immediately after. I assessed their beliefs on climate change based on their conduct in this thread, and their vociferous use of terms like “warmists”. I never even said it was factually their beliefs. I said I assumed it was.
Well, that sort of assuming is bad. Heck, it’s what you insult me for, remember?
But, yes: you _assumed_ that **brazil84** would hold a certain position, and _assumed_ that **FX** would do likewise, and _assumed_ they wouldn’t answer when asked directly, after which you remarked that **FX** was a profoundly inept communicator, and that **brazil84** is “so invested in being a Socratic cock-hole that he isn’t likely to clearly state it.”
So, yes, okay, granted, it’s especially bad that you made that last assumption after **brazil84** had already given an answer that was (a) clear, and (b) the opposite of what you’d assumed – but while the timing admittedly makes it especially egregious, parts (a) and (b) are already pretty objectionable, IMHO.
You then claimed that I have some crazy fantasy of being an expert, and then claimed that I’m assuming – _“assuming,”_ that’s a good one – that my dabblings can overturn the work of experts. So, no, it’s not _one_ lapse on your part; it’s that you’re full to _brimming_ with false assumptions about other posters, wedged between the insults. I don’t see that the false assumptions, or the insults, are helpful.
(And doubly so for me. I mean, jeez, with the other guys, you made sure to couch your badmouthing as assumptions, granting that they might show you up with their answers if asked directly; with me, you skip straight to vitriol for what I ain’t said, with neither a caveat nor a question in sight.)
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> I liked the Original Waldo Pepper much better. 😃
You and me both. 😉
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2014, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2323 "2014-04-02T06:46:52Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#):
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> While I can’t prove it, I suspect that is just sarcasm, and there is no honest interest at all involved.
No, really, I’d be interested in seeing cites for all the data and research you’ve read, that says the divergence is all the sun’s doing.
Unless that was just a lie, of course?
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### Author:  [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2014, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2324 "2014-04-02T09:26:30Z")
> [@magellan01](#):
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> I don’t think he’s posted here. If so, you can correct me. But assuming he hasn’t, can we then say that there is no one involved in the discussion that does not accept that man has contributed to climate change?
By the way, my basic position on this issue is also that in all likelihood, man is not the primary cause of late 20th century warming.
(Notice that I am happy to lay out my position.)
Warmers have a tendency to dishonestly gloss over the distinction between man contributing to warming and man being the primary cause of warming. **Wolfpup** tried to play that game in the recent GD thread.
[here is a blog post](http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-climate-falsehood-you-can-check-for.html) in which the poster accuses researcher John Cook of playing this game.
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### Author:  [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2014, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2325 "2014-04-02T14:17:31Z")
> [@MrDibble](#):
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> No, really, I’d be interested in seeing cites for all the data and research you’ve read, that says **the divergence** is all the sun’s doing.
Like I thought, dishonesty, not any desire to learn.
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### Author:  [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2014, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2326 "2014-04-02T14:41:37Z")
> [@brazil84](#):
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> By the way, my basic position on this issue is also that in all likelihood, man is not the primary cause of late 20th century warming.
I’m still looking into it. The real question is, did mankind cause the recent cooling?
> [@brazil84](#):
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> Warmers have a tendency to dishonestly gloss over the distinction between man contributing to warming and man being the primary cause of warming. **Wolfpup** tried to play that game in the recent GD thread.
yeah, but I can’t blame anyone for doing that shit. The fate of all mankind, indeed the very world depends on them being right.
> [@brazil84](#):
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> [here is a blog post](http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-climate-falsehood-you-can-check-for.html) in which the poster accuses researcher John Cook of playing this game.
Cook is a complete tool, but as always, nothing is going to get through his religious belief on the matter.
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2327 "2014-04-02T17:17:42Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#):
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> Like I thought, dishonesty, not any desire to learn.
Oh, you put enough weasely "possible"s and "may be"s in there, but that is the gist of your implication: “it’s not just man, it’s also the sun”:
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> I can’t prove it myself of course, but based on data and research I’ve read, a possible factor in the unusual climate trends that we know are happening at present, may be due to the sun
All I’m asking for is the cites that might lead you to even consider that. All you’re doing is avoiding giving them.
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### Author:  [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2328 "2014-04-05T14:51:47Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#):
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> I’m still looking into it. The real question is, did mankind cause the recent cooling?
I would say probably not. There’s essentially no direct evidence; no compelling theoretical reason why this might be; and as far as anyone knows, recent temperature and changes in temperature are within the range of natural variation.
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### Author:  [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2329 "2014-04-05T15:28:13Z")
The issue of cold is going to be starkly apparent in a few days, even to the most die hard deluded warmists, because when the NCDC data gets posted, I can show you exactly and with no argument, that Chicago (and many areas around Chicago), just went through the coldest four month period in history. Dec-March 2014 was the coldest four month period on record.
Which is a really hard record to break btw, since the extreme cold winters of the past were really cold. February for Ill was the seventh coldest on record, which is actually saying something, since the six other cold Februaries were extremely cold.
Is it an anomaly? Nope. The February 20 year trend for Ill is -4.1 F a decade. In other words, in the last twenty years the February average temperature has dropped by 8.2 degrees F
The thirty year trend is -.5 F, but that doesn’t tell the story, because it changed so much in 1995
But this four month record, that is quite startling. In the midst of warming, we see the coldest ever four month period, for a major population area of the US. At the same time the media is still pimping “warmer than ever”.
I’m sure the warmer would like to try and sell this four months of colder than hell as warming, but even they can’t bring themselves to be that much of a tool.
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2330 "2014-04-05T15:32:11Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#):
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> I’m sure the warmer would like to try and sell this four months of colder than hell as warming, but even they can’t bring themselves to be that much of a tool.
Ahhh, I see your problem. You think global warming means it gets warmer everywhere, and if it gets colder anywhere, it disproves global warming. It is a simple mistake to make, misunderstanding just what global warming means. But now that you know you were mistaken, there is not much to argue about.
You are welcome!
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### Author:  [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2331 "2014-04-05T15:39:01Z")
People like the above don’t actually know much at all.
I would link you to the scientific discussion about the current global picture, but it’s not allowed here.
“Where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise”
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2332 "2014-04-05T15:41:38Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#):
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> “Where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise”
“It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.” ~~Mark Twain
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### Author:  [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2333 "2014-04-05T15:57:54Z")
THE IMPRESSIVE COLD THIS PAST WINTER CONTINUED DURING
MARCH…WITH A MONTHLY AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF ONLY 31.7 DEGREES
FOR THE MONTH. THIS RANKS AS THE 19TH COLDEST MARCH ON RECORD IN
CHICAGO. HOWEVER…OF EVEN MORE INTEREST IS THE FACT THAT WITH THE
ABNORMALLY COLD MARCH ACROSS THE AREA…THIS MADE THE AVERAGE
TEMPERATURE FOR THE DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH PERIOD IN CHICAGO 22.0
DEGREES…WHICH IS THE COLDEST SUCH PERIOD ON RECORD FOR CHICAGO
DATING BACK TO 1872!
[http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display\_cmsstory.php?wfo=lot&storyid=101458&source=0](http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=lot&storyid=101458&source=0)
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2334 "2014-04-05T16:00:29Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#):
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> THE IMPRESSIVE COLD THIS PAST WINTER CONTINUED DURING
> MARCH…WITH A MONTHLY AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF ONLY 31.7 DEGREES
> FOR THE MONTH. THIS RANKS AS THE 19TH COLDEST MARCH ON RECORD IN
> CHICAGO. HOWEVER…OF EVEN MORE INTEREST IS THE FACT THAT WITH THE
> ABNORMALLY COLD MARCH ACROSS THE AREA…THIS MADE THE AVERAGE
> TEMPERATURE FOR THE DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH PERIOD IN CHICAGO 22.0
> DEGREES…WHICH IS THE COLDEST SUCH PERIOD ON RECORD FOR CHICAGO
> DATING BACK TO 1872!
>
> [http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display\_cmsstory.php?wfo=lot&storyid=101458&source=0](http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=lot&storyid=101458&source=0)
What conclusion should we draw from a cold winter in Chicago?
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### Author:  [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2335 "2014-04-05T16:03:01Z")
Now is the time to try and side track the discussion, rather than discuss reality.
> [@XT](#):
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> Huh. I didn’t realize we measured the average global temperature in Atlanta. Learn something new every day I guess…
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> 😛
You see? That’s how the Dope works, you ignore what you don’t like, and focus on how the global temperature is still going … oops. You can’t really do that when the global mean isn’t going up.
Oh well, somebody will rationalize everything. Your ignorance is secure.
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### Author:  [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2336 "2014-04-05T16:04:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#):
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> What conclusion should we draw from a cold winter in Chicago?
There was an entire topic about how the cold NH winters are bringing down the global mean, about asymmetric climate change, but you know, it’s locked, and I’m sure nobody can open a new one.
So fuck it.
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2337 "2014-04-05T16:12:43Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#):
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> So fuck it.
So you are abandoning that bogus argument?
Is Florida[still in the NH](http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/mfl/news/Feb2014WinterSummary.pdf)?
> [@](#):
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> SOUTH FLORIDA WINTER 2013-2014 RECAP
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> One of the Warmest on Record
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> For the third straight winter, warmer than normal temperatures were observed across
> south Florida. This was in sharp contrast to most of the eastern and central United
> States which had one of the coldest winters in recent memory. During the
> meteorologically-defined winter season of December 2013 through February 2014,
> average temperatures across south Florida were anywhere from two to as much as four
> degrees above normal and ranked among the warmest winters on record at the four
> main climate sites.
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### Author:  [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2338 "2014-04-05T16:32:29Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#):
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> It is a simple mistake to make, misunderstanding just what global warming means.
Particularly since warmists are extremely reluctant to (1) offer a precise definition of “global warming” or (2) explain what weather and/or climate is NOT consistent with “global warming.”
Nor does it help that warmists have been known to seize upon local events as evidence of supporting their ill-defined theory. Upon seeing this, a naive person might conclude that there are some types of local events which might potentially undermine the theory.
> [@](#):
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> There are lots of empirical data that would disprove global warming;
Still waiting for 3 examples – but I won’t hold my breath.
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### Author:  [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2339 "2014-04-05T17:30:51Z")
“Nothing can disprove global warming, it’s just a fact”
- some actual fuckhead actually said that
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### Author:  [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2340 "2014-04-05T17:59:52Z")
Remember that xkcd topic I wanted to start in great debates? Because of the deceptive xkcd comic and the fuckhead website it was based on?
[http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-03-03/news/chi-chicago-winter-had-most-days-at-or-below-zero-ever-20140303\_1\_chicago-record-national-weather-service-temperatures](http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-03-03/news/chi-chicago-winter-had-most-days-at-or-below-zero-ever-20140303_1_chicago-record-national-weather-service-temperatures)
> [@](#):
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> It seems that weather rankings are in the eye of the beholder.
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> The National Weather Service has gauged this season’s chills, in part, by noting the number of days with subzero temperatures from the start of November through the end of March. By that measure, the allegedly just-ended season had the fourth-most days with the mercury below zero.
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> But add in days when the temperature sunk to exactly zero, and suddenly, this season is Chicago’s new No. 1.
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