# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 132
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2621 "2014-06-11T14:29:50Z")
> [@ralfy](#): > > Global warming was defined clearly in previous posts. Yes, you are clear on your definition … Global warming is the abnormal increase in average global temperatures. Everything you’ve posted about this is completely true, based on this definition. This is fairly good example of the logical fallacy of “Begging the Question”. _ **If** _ all warming is abnormal, _ **then** _ any warming is not normal. Typically, global warming is defined as any warming for any reason … including the warming that is completely normal and expected. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Are you going to acknowledge that I proved the point about a more energetic Carboniferous or not? No, you have not. For the atmosphere to be of equal mass and approximately equal composition … equal energy levels must mean equal temperatures. One gram of Helium that holds 520 Joules of energy will have a temperature of 100 Kelvin. Any other gram of Helium that holds 520 Joules of energy will also have a temperature of 100 Kelvin … no exceptions in the Newtonian Universe. The same is true of the atmosphere. That’s why they’re called the _ **Laws** _ of Thermodynamics. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > [Cite](http://abcnews.go.com/US/north-carolina-bans-latest-science-rising-sea-level/story?id=16913782). (And, somebody pass [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation) along to Brazil please) I lived briefly in North Carolina, and I agree that what little tax money that’s available for environmental clean-up is better spent on current and on-going pollution. They have 100 years to add three feet to their seawalls. They can safely let the grandchildren of those being born today deal with that problem. When I lived there, everybody threw their garbage into the rivers, the landfills were all but unused. As a rule of thumb, anybody who lives east of the Sierra Nevadas are complete morons. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2622 "2014-06-11T14:35:10Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Typically, global warming is defined as any warming for any reason … including the warming that is completely normal and expected. Cites? And you understand, of course, from your “Typically”, I’m expecting several, and well known, ones, that define it thus. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2623 "2014-06-11T14:42:00Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > There’s plenty of evidence that he’s read posts from posters he’s put on “ignore” but won’t directly engage with them. And like the evidence for global warming, nobody can link to it. This is an example of what Brazil brings up, all the time. People just say things, but don’t answer the essential questions, or provide any evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2624 "2014-06-11T17:17:53Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > And like the evidence for global warming, nobody can link to it. Really? - [Evidence - NASA Science](http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence) - [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/](https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/) - [Global Warming: United Nations Climate Report Proves Earth Is Suffering](http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warming-is-very-real-20130912) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2625 "2014-06-11T17:55:21Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > nobody can link to it. [Seriously](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15867630&postcount=99)? > [@Once again, a pitting of our local pseudo-scientific racialists](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-again-a-pitting-of-our-local-pseudo-scientific-racialists/646184/99): > > > [@Once again, a pitting of our local pseudo-scientific racialists](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-again-a-pitting-of-our-local-pseudo-scientific-racialists/646184/98): > > > > . . . > > FWIW iiandyiii is on my ignore list because of his past dishonesty. Hell, this post sums it up succinctly: > [@Once again, a pitting of our local pseudo-scientific racialists](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-again-a-pitting-of-our-local-pseudo-scientific-racialists/646184/209): > > > [@Once again, a pitting of our local pseudo-scientific racialists](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/once-again-a-pitting-of-our-local-pseudo-scientific-racialists/646184/206): > > > > No, not really. When I put someone on my ignore list, I generally do not post repeatedly in a thread to announce again and again that they are on my ignore list or otherwise respond to them. Typically, at most, I post once and I don’t engage them in any way. > > Funny, then, how people keep quoting your “I do not engage with this poster” line, since you’ve never “announce[ed it] again and again”. That thread has several examples of **B84** ’s “I no longer engage with this poster” nonsense. Yes, it is a confirmed fact that he doesn’t use the board’s ignore function and that he does, in fact, read but not acknowledge posts by people on his list. Note that after we called him on that “I no longer” garbage, he stopped openly acknowledging even that much. It’s your business if you want to defend a half-witted racist douchenozzle, but you’ll have to do way better than this assbrained excuse for a comeback. At any rate, the level of “scientific” discourse he demonstrates in his racist threads should give anybody pause about any side he does support in a debate. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2626 "2014-06-11T18:04:31Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > And like the evidence for global warming, nobody can link to it. [Yeah](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16558778&postcount=13). [You’re](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15150176&postcount=1176) [right](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10914994&postcount=53), [as](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10964342&postcount=1)[always](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14297735&postcount=185). ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2627 "2014-06-11T18:27:56Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Really? > > - [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/](https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/) Yes, really. Just like what you just did. Rather than state your evidence, you posted a link to a site that does not show the evidence for global warming. For example, that site uses this fallacy as it’s prime evidence of global warming. > [@](#): > > The first line of evidence is our basic physical understanding of how greenhouse gases trap heat, how the climate system responds to increases in greenhouse gases, and how other human and natural factors influence climate. [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/](https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/) That is the opening “evidence” that AGW is happening. You can read it there for yourself. The second “evidence” is > [@](#): > > The second line of evidence is from indirect estimates of climate changes over the last 1,000 to 2,000 years. The third “evidence” is > [@](#): > > The third line of evidence is based on comparisons of actual climate with computer models of how we expect climate to behave under certain human influences. For example, when climate models are run with historical increases in greenhouse gases, they show gradual warming of the Earth and ocean surface, increases in ocean heat content, a rise in global sea level, and general retreat of sea ice and snow cover. These and other aspects of modeled climate change are in agreement with observations. So instead of actual evidence, they do the exact thing that Brazil has pointed out. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Really? > > - [Evidence - NASA Science](http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence) That site is far worse, as it simply states for the most part, signs of a warming climate, nothing about AGW at all. They even have a key point dead wrong. > [@](#): > > The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, **while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing** [Evidence - NASA Science](http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence) This is another example of the group think blind spot science that dominates these organizations. That NASA site doesn’t even include the word “theory”, or “predictions” or “predict” in the entire page. It’s all about warming, but nothing about AGW, which is the point here. AGW has specific fingerprints, based on the theory, that we must observe, to know that it is actually CO2 increase that is the primary cause of the changes, because we know from climate history that climate changes, with out a human cause. It’s a key part of the theory, because otherwise it’s just idiotic “two things happened at the same time so one caused the other” thinking, which is the opposite of science. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2628 "2014-06-12T03:11:26Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Yes, really. Just like what you just did. Rather than state your evidence, you posted a link to a site that does not show the evidence for global warming. You never asked for “my” evidence. You said no one can link to evidence of global warming. I linked you to some. Whether you like that evidence or not does not matter. I did what you said no one can do. Asking me for my evidence is weird because I personally have none. I am not a scientist engaged in collecting evidence on global climate change. As for your dislike for those sources you are clearly a person for whom no evidence will be sufficient. You cherry pick parts you _think_ you can nitpick away and assume that is sufficient to cast into doubt the mountains of evidence from numerous and disparate lines of inquiry that all point to the same answer. > [@](#): > > For example, that site uses this fallacy as it’s prime evidence of global warming. They cite numerous lines of evidence for global warming and include links to various studies they are drawing their evidence from. You can argue with the brief abstract they wrote to be understandable to a layman audience or you can tackle the actual evidence they provide. > [@](#): > > It’s all about warming, but nothing about AGW, which is the point here. AGW has specific fingerprints, based on the theory, that we must observe, to know that it is actually CO2 increase that is the primary cause of the changes, because we know from climate history that climate changes, with out a human cause. They do explain the human link here. You even quoted from them earlier about it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2629 "2014-06-12T03:51:46Z")
While I know it just won’t matter, I was talking about the following claims. None of “the evidence” posted supports them. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > No need. **B84** ’s “ignore” is like a sociopath’s “list”. Where is the evidence to support that claim? Isn’t it really just you being insulting? > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > There’s plenty of evidence that he’s read posts from posters he’s put on “ignore” but won’t directly engage with them. That’s not what he said, but even so, no evidence to support the claim. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It’s basically an admission you are too intelligent to deal with directly, i.e. you can successfully debate at the level of a 10 year old child. And there is a claim exactly like many of the global warming claims. No evidence to support it, just some crazy ass claim. Of course if you actually can support that claim with evidence, I would be interested. I mean, some anonymous fuckhead’s opinion about another anonymous person on the internet is just so important to discuss. And if you can’t tell that’s sarcasm, get off the internet. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2630 "2014-06-12T03:54:39Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > They cite numerous lines of evidence for global warming and include links to various studies they are drawing their evidence from. No, they don’t. You don’t realize this because you don’t actually know anything about global warming. Most people don’t. Those pages are one reason for this. They never actually explain the theory, or how we can know it’s happening. That’s the essential shortcoming of most of the global warming movement. It’s why you won’t find the theory on Wikipedia, on skepticalscience, or in any post from some fuckhead alarmist warmer. They actually do not know what they are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2631 "2014-06-12T03:59:08Z")
You know why I don’t take Brazil to task in this thread? Most of the time? Because he doesn’t post nonsense, bullshit or a constant stream of puerile insults, like most of the self assured fuckhead warmers do. But you can be damn sure if I find something he, or anyone states, to be deceptive, stupid, arrogant or wrong, I will comment on it. It’s the goddamn internet, that’s what people do. So keep burning fossil fuels and typing out sacre stories and being a judgemental prick, because that’s how to change the world. You fucking hypocritical bastard fuckhead you. You are a goddamn beautiful special snowflake, with your anger and angst, your burning mission, and your hypocrisy. Shine on you crazy carbon based life form. ---
**Author:** ![statij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@statij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statij)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2632 "2014-06-12T06:02:36Z")
Oh, I get it. You’re fucking crazy. Like a full blown lunatic. I thought you were just a dick. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2633 "2014-06-12T13:31:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Cites? And you understand, of course, from your “Typically”, I’m expecting several, and well known, ones, that define it thus. From [NOAA](http://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/global-warming-frequently-asked-questions): > [@](#): > > “Global warming” refers to an increase in Earth’s annually averaged air temperature near the surface. Thermometer readings are collected from many thousands of weather stations around the world—over land and ocean—and then used to produce a global average temperature for each year. The resulting series of annual averages of global temperature from 1880 to 2012 show that Earth has warmed by 1.5°F (0.85°C).[1] Most of that warming has occurred since 1976. Right, thermometer readings … what the hell did you think warming was defined by, barometric pressure, humidity, spot price for silver in Amsterdam? I’m only giving one citation, because even if I post a thousand, you will NEVER agree with me. That’s your choice. I’m sure your Eliza app vomits out something different from Skeptical Science, but I’m sticking to the people with 10,000 thermometers and the fastest computers in the world. To say man-kind’s contribution to this above defined global warming is abnormal is to denounce man-kind as a part of the environment, which is strictly a Christian point-of-view. Those that believe that bullshit evolution crap would say man-kind’s contribution is perfectly normal and expected. If nature doesn’t like it, she can mutate a virus and wipe us all out, just like she did 50,000 years ago (although this last claim is highly speculative). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2634 "2014-06-12T13:56:33Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I’m only giving one citation, because even if I post a thousand, you will NEVER agree with me. So, we have to take your word for “Typical”, then? Sure… IME, “Global warming” is generally used specifically to refer to the current, unprecedented episode of warming, and contextually, if not explicitly, linked to anthropogenic causes. As your own NOAA cite does - it directly references the human origin of GHGs _on that same page_, so it’s **wrong** to say it’s referring to " any warming for any reason". Context, context, context. > [@](#): > > That’s your choice. I’m sure your Eliza app vomits out something different from Skeptical Science, but I’m sticking to the people with 10,000 thermometers and the fastest computers in the world. a) I think you have me confused with Straw-GIGO as to app use - hell, I’m not sure I’ve even posted any SkepSci links in this thread. b) your own link gives the lie to your statement. > [@](#): > > To say man-kind’s contribution to this above defined global warming is abnormal is to denounce man-kind as a part of the environment, which is strictly a Christian point-of-view. Bwaahaha!!! Tell me more about _my_ “Christian point-of-view”, funny man… > [@](#): > > Those that believe that bullshit evolution crap would say man-kind’s contribution is perfectly normal and expected. Gosh, I know [this fallacy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy)…the implicit part being that “normal” and "expected’ equate to “desirable” and “good” > [@](#): > > If nature doesn’t like it, she can mutate a virus and wipe us all out, just like she did 50,000 years ago (although this last claim is highly speculative). I have no fucking clue what you’re talking about here - what virus? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2635 "2014-06-12T14:31:23Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > None of “the evidence” posted supports them. Where is the evidence to support that claim? WTF? I claimed he didn’t use the board’s ignore function and used a personal “ignore” list that didn’t actually ignore posts. You claimed there was no evidence. I posted **direct** evidence that this was the case - he friggin’ used the “quote” function of the board - and you still claim there’s no evidence of that claim? Clearly, reality parted ways with you a ways back. Time to go find it again. ETA: Hell, **Vinyl Turnip** came up with a half dozen more direct examples not long after my post. Is it opposite day again? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2636 "2014-06-12T16:51:41Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > No, they don’t. You don’t realize this because you don’t actually know anything about global warming. Most people don’t. Most people don’t? Well the people who are experts on the climate are far and away in agreement that AGW is real and happening. The scientific consensus is overwhelmingly in support of it. > [@](#): > > The scientific consensus is clearly expressed in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). > > \ > > IPCC is not alone in its conclusions. In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members’ expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. For example, the National Academy of Sciences report, Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, begins: “Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth’s atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise” [p. 1 in (5)]. The report explicitly asks whether the IPCC assessment is a fair summary of professional scientific thinking, and answers yes: “The IPCC’s conclusion that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue” [p. 3 in (5)]. > > SOURCE: [http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full](http://www.sciencemag.org/content/306/5702/1686.full) Those opinions have not changed. IIRC every country on the planet with a science academy agrees that AGW is real. Here is a [list of near 200 scientific organizations](http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php) that AGW is real. Here is a [list of US organizations](http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus) that agree AGW is real. Such know-nothings as the American Meteorological Society or the American Physical Society or the American Association for the Advancement of Science not to mention previous citations from dummies and know-nothings like NASA and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The preponderance of evidence is overwhelming. The consensus is overwhelming. I would submit that these science agencies DO know what they are talking about. To suggest this is all from some “fuckhead alarmist warmer” is conspiracy theory crackpot nutter stuff at its finest. Scientists LOVE to disagree. If some scientist can disprove global warming they will go straight to Oslo to collect their Nobel Prize along with $1 million and their place in history. Interestingly those most opposed to the idea of AGW are those who have a distinct financial stake in discrediting it (e.g. oil companies, coal companies and others). There is nothing new to this sort of thing. Not so many decades ago the company that brought us leaded gasoline worked diligently to tell the public that lead was fine and there was no harm from it. It goes without saying (I hope) that lead is certainly harmful to humans. Were that debate happening today I have little doubt you’d be lined up on the side of the people making leaded gasoline and telling us there is no evidence it is harmful. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2637 "2014-06-12T17:00:33Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > WTF?I posted **direct** evidence that this was the case - he friggin’ used the “quote” function of the board - and you still claim there’s no evidence of that claim? So you are annoyed by a simple thing? You post “evidence”, and instead of any acknowledgment that you did, it is just pushed aside, and described as “that isn’t evidence!”. Would that be an accurate description of what you see happening? In regards to your claims abut Brazil? (I hope that is what you see, since that is exactly what I did) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2638 "2014-06-12T17:11:07Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Not so many decades ago the company that brought us leaded gasoline worked diligently to tell the public that lead was fine and there was no harm from it. It goes without saying (I hope) that lead is certainly harmful to humans. > > Were that debate happening today I have little doubt you’d be lined up on the side of the people making leaded gasoline and telling us there is no evidence it is harmful. You would be completely wrong. Not only was I part of the fight to remove lead (and not just from gasoline), I also fought to remove the replacement, which was actually far worse for groundwater contamination. It’s why they use ethanol now to boost the octane, rather than incredinly toxic compounds like methyl-tertiary-butyl ether. The 1,3-butadiene in the exhaust also was extremely damaging. It’s why gas pumps have cancer warnings on them now. I also fight against mercury pollution, deforestation, wetland destruction, oil wells, coal mining and erosion. Also pollution from run off from farmlands (one of the most horrific shitfuck fuckhead things you can imagine) I just don’t get where this attitude comes from. I am opposed to human caused damage to the world, not for it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2639 "2014-06-12T17:23:55Z")
My views and hatred of things like coal (which has mercury in it as well as radioactive material, directly responsible for many deaths and disease, world wide) are a bias I have to fight to avoid when looking at data. My desire to have all oil and coal based combustion replaced withe solar/wind/nuclear/renewable fuels is also a problem. My points and rants about global warming have nothing to do with my personal desires. If the evidence showed global warming was happening, I would be ranting about the looming disaster. If there was any evidence at all to show the “human fingerprint” had emerged from the gradual warming cycle we know has happened since the LIA, I would be all about that. If the early predictions/assumptions used to model climate change were happening, I would be going on and on about them. It’s the skullfuckery, dishonesty and outright fraud and idiocy that gets my gears grinding. This is true for the idiots who claim nothing we do will change anything. That is even more odious to the rational mind than the idiots screaming “10 degrees C by 2100!”. OK, not by much, they both are really stupid. ---
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> [@statij](#): > > Oh, I get it. You’re fucking crazy. Like a full blown lunatic. When i used to go on and on about MTBE and how dangerous, stupid and fucking insane to have it in the drinking water supply, people used to say I was nuts as well. I simply do not give a fuck what you think. Here’s a soft pedal about the danger of what lead was relaced with. > [@](#): > > The main problem with MTBE is that it is thought to be [**carcinogenic**](http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cancer/facts/cancer2.htm) and it mixes easily with water. If gasoline containing MTBE leaks from an underground tank at a gas station, it can get into groundwater and contaminate wells > **[How Gasoline Works](https://science.howstuffworks.com/gasoline4.htm)** > > Without gasoline, the world as we know it would grind to a screeching halt. The U.S. alone consumes well over a hundred billion gallons of gasoline per year. Learn all about this vital fuel. And so you know, leaded gas is till used on farms and in light aircraft. Grandfathered in. Lead levels in airport and farm workers is still a problem. Don’t get me started on pesticide and herbicides. There’s a problem far larger than the imagined global warming. Then there is the changes to all the worlds large rivers. And high altitude NO and H2O pollution. And CfCs. One has to pick one’s battles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=131) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=133)