# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 150
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2014, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2981 "2014-08-02T00:35:15Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Please make a statement about these sentences. I would bet he won’t. No, I have no idea why. It’s actually become a little odd. ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2982 "2014-08-02T02:14:24Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Please make a statement about these sentences. You can do that by reading the abstract. It was linked earlier. ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2983 "2014-08-02T02:16:55Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I’m impressed, a half century of temperature trends is enough to void millions of years of ice core data, billions of years of O[sup]18[/sup] proxy data. > > I guess some people don’t know what “temperature” is. It is not practical to wait for millions of years to see what will happen. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2014, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2984 "2014-08-02T03:52:23Z")
> [@ralfy](#): > > It is not practical to wait for millions of years to see what will happen. Is it practical to wait twenty years? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2014, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2985 "2014-08-02T11:36:23Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Lucky for tenure, eh, otherwise you’d be out of a job. You really think he’s a tenured professor? I think adjunct or community college or both. ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2014, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2986 "2014-08-03T02:33:05Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Is it practical to wait twenty years? Not likely given peak oil and pollution. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2014, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2987 "2014-08-03T11:53:11Z")
> [@ralfy](#): > > Not likely given peak oil and pollution. Both those problems have been solved, you’re claiming that the climate predictions made in 1990 were “accurate”. Please post these projections and say why you think they are “accurate”. ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2988 "2014-08-04T06:08:12Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Both those problems have been solved, you’re claiming that the climate predictions made in 1990 were “accurate”. Please post these projections and say why you think they are “accurate”. No, they’ve not been solved. About climate predictions, read my previous messages. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2989 "2014-08-04T08:27:41Z")
> [@ralfy](#): > > No, they’ve not been solved. > > About climate predictions, read my previous messages. Round 6, I did … none of the newspaper article’s claims are substantiated by the scientific papers they refer to. Nor do they contain the actual predictions made in 1994. Please find these predictions and show us they are “accurate”. Just how lazy are you? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2990 "2014-08-05T02:38:02Z")
And all was quiet … Meanwhile, back in the real world, global warming continues to break records, and show us exactly why we should live in fear and guilt and shame, for the crime of living. [**Adelaide – Coldest August morning in 126 years**](http://iceagenow.info/2014/08/adelaide-coldest-august-morning-126-years/) > [@](#): > > Terre Haute, Ind. (WTHI)- July is over and to add to that- it was the coolest July on record. Even August is ushering in unseasonably cool. [http://wthitv.com/2014/08/01/cool-temperatures-leave-local-pools-empty/](http://wthitv.com/2014/08/01/cool-temperatures-leave-local-pools-empty/) The coldest July ever? There is little global warming can’t do. > [@](#): > > RECORD EVENT REPORT > NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAS VEGAS NV > 1000 AM PDT MON AUG 4 2014 > > … **RECORD LOW MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE BROKEN IN DEATH VALLEY YESTERDAY** … > > THE HIGH TEMPERATURE IN DEATH VALLEY REACHED 89 DEGREES YESTERDAY > AUGUST 3. THIS BROKE THE PREVIOUS RECORD OF 104 DEGREES SET IN 1945. > > THIS WAS ALSO ONLY THE 7TH TIME SINCE 1911 THAT HIGH TEMPERATURES IN > AUGUST REMAINED IN THE 80S. [http://www.nws.noaa.gov/view/national.php?prod=RER](http://www.nws.noaa.gov/view/national.php?prod=RER) Now that is some crazy shit right there. But the astute scientific observer knows it’s meaningless in regards to climate, because weather ain’t climate. You need to show more change over time, to be able to talk about climate change. It’s why something like [Coolest July on Record for most of Central and SE Illinois](http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=ilx&storyid=103633&source=0) by itself just doesn’t mean much. Just like the warm winter of 2012, it could be an anomaly, just shit happening for no known reason. Weather does that kind of shit. Remember it was hotter than fuck in 2012. That’s why the trend matters. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2991 "2014-08-05T03:23:09Z")
Geese are starting to turn up here … this is weeks early. Maybe another cold winter? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2992 "2014-08-05T03:56:55Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Geese are starting to turn up here … this is weeks early. Maybe another cold winter? Well it’s certainly [unusually cold in a lot of the arctic](http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php) right now. They sure ain’t heading south early cause they are warm. As for this record cold in Indiana and Illinois, being a skeptic, I go and check the trends when I read something about a record being broken. . Because it might just be alarmist bullshit. So what if it’s record hot in Walla Walla? Or record cold in the heartland? Sure we have all seen weather used to pimp a story, promote a cause, or cast doubt on one, but most people just want to know what is actually happening. Especially if it gives any indication of what the future holds. Now unless you just joined this long running clusterfuck of a topic, you might already know the trend for Chicago, and Illinois and Indiana and most of the midwest is colder winters. This is true even if you use a thirty year trend. (I know! How the fuck does that happen and nobody reports on it?) But what about fucking July? How the fuck can July be getting colder? Or August? Or the goddamn midwest summers? There is no fucking way Illinois is going to show a thirty year trend of colder for July. Or Indiana. Except if the months actually are record cold, or just cold months, that is exactly what the trend might be. (the data is not official yet) The current trend is flat, and that is with very warm months in 2010, 2011, and 2012. Even so, a cold July in 2014 is going to make the thirty year trend slightly cooling. Which leads us of course to the “the midwest isn’t all of the US”, and when I show you that the entire US shows a cooling trend, then it is “the US isn’t the world”, and when I show you a cooling trend for the entire globe, the goal post gets moved someplace else. It’s how climate SCIENCE! works now. ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2993 "2014-08-05T09:45:38Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Round 6, I did … none of the newspaper article’s claims are substantiated by the scientific papers they refer to. Round 6? We’re still in Round 1. You have not proven any of your claims. You tried once, and you failed: you referred to the second sentence of an abstract mentioned in one article to prove your claims, not realizing that there were two more sentences in the abstract that followed it. > [@](#): > > Nor do they contain the actual predictions made in 1994. Please find these predictions and show us they are “accurate”. They didn’t because they were evaluating models, not making predictions. Get it right. > [@](#): > > Just how lazy are you? You were asked to prove your claims, and you have not done so in any way. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2994 "2014-08-05T13:26:14Z")
> [@ralfy](#): > > Round 6? We’re still in Round 1. You have not proven any of your claims. > > You tried once, and you failed: you referred to the second sentence of an abstract mentioned in one article to prove your claims, not realizing that there were two more sentences in the abstract that followed it. > > They didn’t because they were evaluating models, not making predictions. Get it right. > > You were asked to prove your claims, and you have not done so in any way. Round 7 The claim made was yours “Climate predictions are accurate”. You’ve also claimed that they have been accurate since 1990. Your claims are _ **challenged** _, please produce a climate prediction made in 1990 that is accurate from then until now. In science, the burden of proof is yours … or withdraw your claim … science is a bitch that way. ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2014, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2995 "2014-08-06T09:43:04Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Round 7 > > The claim made was yours “Climate predictions are accurate”. You’ve also claimed that they have been accurate since 1990. Your claims are _ **challenged** _, please produce a climate prediction made in 1990 that is accurate from then until now. > > In science, the burden of proof is yours … or withdraw your claim … science is a bitch that way. No, Round 1. Read my previous posts. They contain multiple articles and studies which prove my argument. You claim that the articles did not interpret the studies correctly, tried with one example, and failed. You also claimed that the findings are wrong but showed nothing to prove your claim. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2996 "2014-08-07T11:40:01Z")
> [@ralfy](#): > > No, Round 1. > > Read my previous posts. They contain multiple articles and studies which prove my argument. You claim that the articles did not interpret the studies correctly, tried with one example, and failed. You also claimed that the findings are wrong but showed nothing to prove your claim. Round 8 That means this is the eighth time I’ve ask you to make a statement, of any kind. You keep throwing citations out, but we don’t know what they are backing up. Remember, we’re looking for something published around 1990. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2997 "2014-08-07T11:42:56Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Remember, we’re looking for something published around 1990. Why? Was that a good year for cherries? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2998 "2014-08-07T11:48:54Z")
> [@ralfy](#): > > No, Round 1. > > Read my previous posts. They contain multiple articles and studies which prove my argument. You claim that the articles did not interpret the studies correctly, tried with one example, and failed. You also claimed that the findings are wrong but showed nothing to prove your claim. Round 8 That means this is the eighth time I’ve ask you to make a statement, of any kind. You keep throwing citations out, but we don’t know what they are backing up. Extra credit if you can make a statement about climate predictions and back it up with an article published around 1990. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/2999 "2014-08-07T11:57:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Why? Was that a good year for cherries? No, **ralfy** makes the claim that climate predictions made in 1990 were accurate. I’m asking him to show me one, just one, from then that was accurate. The one paper he’s referenced was about using the new (2008?) information about the ENSO, recalculating the model projection, and coming up with a better prediction for the 1990 - 2008(?) time period. My argument is it’s not a prediction if it’s made after the fact. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3000 "2014-08-07T12:23:40Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > My argument is it’s not a prediction if it’s made after the fact. One could call it a post-diction, I suppose. And it’s something the warmists love to do. Their climate simulations are inevitably a beautiful fit with history. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=149) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=151)