# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 164
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3261 "2014-10-07T04:40:14Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > More anecdotes. > > You’re never going to arrive at science. That’s a vicious lie, FX is chock full of science. He is sick of global warming because “science bitches!” Haven’t you learned that yet? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2014, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3262 "2014-10-07T08:40:25Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Well of course. If you respond to a scientific discussion, you risk getting in over your head. Most people online simply don’t spend much time doing any study, any real learning, but are sort of ditto heads, repeating whatever party line they have aligned themselves with. Agree. That’s why it’s funny when you ask them a simple reasonable question which they cannot answer after a few minutes of frantic Googling on Skepticalscience or Realclimate. > [@](#): > > No, I can’t blame your average fuckhead for spewing commentary fit for the sewer. Of course I can still make fun of them, but that’s a character flaw. In my opinion, you can blame them for doubling down on their ignorance and arrogant stupidity when it’s politely pointed out to them. Which is the normal reaction. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3263 "2014-10-21T02:03:58Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > In my opinion, you can blame them for doubling down on their ignorance and arrogant stupidity when it’s politely pointed out to them. Which is the normal reaction. Yeah, but when you use logic and reason, and you stay calm, they just run away at some point. Like in this other topic, when I started asking direct questions about the following post. > [@Why don't climate change deniers publish?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-climate-change-deniers-publish/678811/145): > > Seriously, climate-change denial is like anti-vaccine propaganda. Neither constitutes protected speech, because protected speech does not include killing people. > > Both are, at best, criminally-negligent homicide. When it got to the point where there was no choice but answer, the topic went cold. No response. It happens pretty much anytime you get somebody to the point where if they answer, they know there is a good chance they will sound like an insane person. Some psychological mechanism kicks in, and they just get quiet. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3264 "2014-10-21T02:05:15Z")
Not GIGO or wolfpup of course, they long ago passed the point of no return. But most people realize at some point, they are either arguing with an idiot, or they are the idiot. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3265 "2014-10-21T02:32:10Z")
It’s ok, **Masty**. We really do still love you. Here: this post is my little way of paying you the attention you’re so desperate for. See? All love. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3266 "2014-10-21T02:47:11Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think the problem is that you suck at irony. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Ah, now it begins to make sense. You’ve been badly misled as to what “humor” is. One thing about comedy, is that not everyone is going to laugh about the same thing. The assumption that your view of irony, or humor, is the only correct one, and that anyone laughing at you must be seriously wrong about what is funny, that is both ironic, and terribly amusing. No, it’s not funny to you. It’s funny to me! And as Mel Brooks said, "Tragedy is when I cut my finger; comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die”. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3267 "2014-10-21T03:14:38Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Not GIGO or wolfpup of course, they long ago passed the point of no return. But most people realize at some point, they are either arguing with an idiot, or they are the idiot. Most of us understand that they are debating honestly, with facts to back them up, while others – well, you, actually – debate dishonestly, and deliberately distort the facts. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > . . . No, it’s not funny to you. It’s funny to me! And as Mel Brooks said, "Tragedy is when I cut my finger; comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die”. You fall into the sewer, and we’ll vote on how funny it is. (I think he’d fuck up even as simple a joke as that.) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3268 "2014-10-21T03:22:21Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Most of us understand that they are debating honestly, Oh yeah. Try asking them what the theory of global warming is. Or what the predictions are. Honesty is the last thing you will get. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3269 "2014-10-21T14:20:56Z")
_A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool._ Shakespeare ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3270 "2014-10-21T17:21:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Not GIGO or wolfpup of course […] But most people realize at some point, they are either arguing with an idiot, or they are the idiot. That’s the funniest shit I’ve read all day. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3271 "2014-10-21T17:28:14Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Yeah, but when you use logic and reason, and you stay calm, they just run away at some point. Like in this other topic, when I started asking direct questions about the following post. > When it got to the point where there was no choice but answer, the topic went cold. No response. > > It happens pretty much anytime you get somebody to the point where if they answer, they know there is a good chance they will sound like an insane person. Some psychological mechanism kicks in, and they just get quiet. More likely they just decide not to feed the troll any more. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3272 "2014-10-21T18:09:28Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > That’s the funniest shit I’ve read all day. Yeah, but it gets even better. > [@Colibri](#): > > More likely they just decide not to feed the troll any more. That could be possible, but the troll wasn’t responding at that point. After the obvious troll (or it could be a Poe), I asked a simple question. > [@Why don't climate change deniers publish?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-climate-change-deniers-publish/678811/154): > > Meanwhile > Do you agree with that? When that was avoided, I asked it so there was no way to wiggle out of it. > [@Why don't climate change deniers publish?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-climate-change-deniers-publish/678811/158): > > Let’s make it simple for you. Do you agree that “Climate-change denial is, at best, criminally-negligent homicide.”? The question still stands. Do you agree with that claim? “Climate-change denial is, at best, criminally-negligent homicide.” The ironic humor is, that some people don’t see that claim as trolling, stupid or actually insane, if it’s serious. But asking you to answer if you agree with it, that is trolling. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3273 "2014-10-21T19:00:27Z")
Yet another benefit of the Pit, no need to start a dozen topics about all the different fuckhead AGW issues, nor is there any need to actually read anything. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > [http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0682.txt](http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0682.txt) > > SB03 is shorthand for Soon and Baliunas, > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Wait, does FXMastermind seriously still think Climategate was a thing? Holy christ, what the fuck is wrong with him? Is he retarded or something? I guess I’m going to have to explain one of the long running jokes here, since nobody, and I mean nobody seems to read links. The SCIENCE! is from the email mentioned above. > [@](#): > > Do not start to dilute or confuse the issue with too much additional detail. The job , as you state , is to place on record the statement of disagreement with the **SCIENCE!** and spin. Now both sides in the climate wars seem to be complete idiots when it comes to the climategate emails. The true believer won’t read them, because they already know there is nothing in them, and the deniers only focus on the part they care of don’t care about, missing out on the Science(!) completely. But the actual science being discussed in them, it’s priceless. You just don’t get to peer into the inner workings of the top researchers in a field very often. (like, never) These emails are an actual treasure trove of science discussions, covering most of the most contentious subjects involved in global warming. For example > [@](#): > > I agree with Tom’s point that in many case precipitation indicators don’t tell us much at all about the surface temperature field, certainly in the ‘local’ sense. In a sort of ‘state space’ sense, however, they may in some instances be quite helpful. Winter drought-sensitive tree-ring chronologies provide us some of our best proxy information with regard to winter synoptic-scale variability in semi-arid regions like the desert southwest or the mediterannean. There appears to been some success (i.e., demonstrated statistical skill) in reconstructing patterns of anomalous atmospheric circulation related to the usual suspect sorts of indices (PNA, NAO, etc.) from those sorts of proxies. To the extent that much of the regional winter season variability in the extratropical surface temperature field is related to these sorts of atmospheric circulation anomalies, one expects some skill in using these predictors to reconstruct features of the cold-season atmospheric circulation and, thus, regional temperature anomalies related to those features. I think a good case has been made that we can, perhaps, understand a good detail of the structure of the extratropical winter temperature anomalies during parts of the ‘LIA’ in terms of, e.g., the behavior of the NAO–a lot of evidence now seems to be pointing in that direction. A similar argument can be made, for example, that a precipitation proxy in the western tropical Pacific may be an excellent predictor of SST variability in the eastern and central tropical Pacific, for the obvious reasons. So, in this larger-scale sense, there are some potentially useful relationships, and I agree with what Kevin says in this regard. Of course, it is also true that there are some obvious stationarity assumptions implicit in this sort of reasoning, and in the use of any proxy precip/drought/atmospheric circulation information to infer or help reconstruction features in the surface temperature field. There are, however, similar stationarity assumptions implicit in the idea that a modest network (say, of a dozen) proxy surface temperatures over, say, the Northern Hemisphere, can be used to reconstruct hemispheric mean temperature. The implicit assumption is that the relative importance of each of a small number of locations in estimating the large-scale temperature field remains constant over time. As the number of regions sampled approaches the number of degrees of freedom in the surface temperature field, this because a better and better assumption. If were only talking about a handful of locations, it may be a pretty bad assumption. This sort of stationarity assumption is potentially just as, or even more (depending on the size of the network used) suspect than the former stationarity assumption, but is much more rarely discussed or acknowledge. Of course, there are ways to test these sorts of assumptions in a modeling context, and there are several studies now published, and others in the works, , that suggest the situation probably isn’t as bad as we might have feared Of course most people TEGO and they can’t fathom actually reading that, and understanding what it means. (these are the same people who will argue forever online, but would never spend a month doing any study) Myself, I find climategate a very educational subject. Ignore the obvious bad behavaior, the skullfuckery and deceptions you come across. Focus on the Science(!) and spin. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3274 "2014-11-03T15:49:15Z")
My people in Maine are bitching about the record early snow. I told them to suck it up, it’s Maine after all. And just because you get record early snow, that actually just means things are warming up. Cooling is the new warming. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3275 "2014-11-03T16:34:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > More likely they just decide not to feed the troll any more. I sincerely hope, with all due respect, that people don’t continue to feed this idiot troll’s need for constant negative attention. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3276 "2014-11-04T00:25:32Z")
You have to enjoy the sheer insanity of the climate alarmists mental state. In that strange fuckhead world, it’s OK to claim “talking about climate” is the same as killing people. Or to claim linking to scientific data pages, is the same as “criminally-negligent homicide”. > [@Why don't climate change deniers publish?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-climate-change-deniers-publish/678811/145): > > Seriously, climate-change denial is like anti-vaccine propaganda. Neither constitutes protected speech, because protected speech does not include killing people. > > Both are, at best, criminally-negligent homicide. The ratshit insane alarmists can’t actually see how they appear to rational people. So instead of, you know, actually discussing something, they say stupid shit. But it’s the lack of response from all the other people, who simply won’t touch it, won’t even acjnowledge it, that’s where it gets creepy fucking weird. > [@Trinopus](#): > > Most of us understand that they are debating honestly, with facts to back them up, while others – well, you, actually – debate dishonestly, and deliberately distort the facts. Oh yeah, you really think it’s dishonest to ask clear straightforward question. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Do you agree with that claim? > > “Climate-change denial is, at best, criminally-negligent homicide.” > > The ironic humor is, that some people don’t see that claim as trolling, stupid or actually insane, if it’s serious. > > But asking you to answer if you agree with it, that is trolling. > > Priceless. Because you have a fuckhead, on the straightdope forum, making a ratshit crazy as fuck claim, but that doesn’t actually even get a response. > [@Why don't climate change deniers publish?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-climate-change-deniers-publish/678811/145): > > Seriously, climate-change denial is like anti-vaccine propaganda. Neither constitutes protected speech, because protected speech does not include killing people. > > Both are, at best, criminally-negligent homicide. But mocking such rabid pestilence, that’s trolling. It’s too ironic. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3277 "2014-11-04T00:39:24Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I actually prefer online discussions since there is a good record of what people said. That makes it easier to shine a spotlight on the dishonesty of folks like alienvessels. But it just won’t matter. It will not make any difference. People will say the most insane shit, they make up stuff, and no matter how much evidence there is showing them to be idiots, it doesn’t stop them, hell, it doesn’t even slow them down. Here’s a bit of science, from Jana Sillmann \*et al \*2014 > [@](#): > > Here we assess trend patterns in temperature extremes and evaluate the consistency between observed and simulated temperature extremes over the past four decades (1971?2010) in comparison to the recent 15 years (1996?2010). We consider the coldest night and warmest day in a year in the observational dataset HadEX2 and in the current generation of global climate models (CMIP5). In general, the observed trends fall within the simulated range of trends, with better consistency for the longer period. Spatial trend patterns differ for the warm and cold extremes, with the warm extremes showing continuous positive trends across the globe **and the cold extremes exhibiting a coherent cooling pattern across the Northern Hemisphere mid-latitudes that has emerged in the recent 15 years and is not reproduced by the models.** [http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/9/6/064023/](http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/9/6/064023/) If you have been following at all for the last year and half, you already know what that means, which is good because that isn’t fucking clear at all to most people. Most people can read the money shot at the end and not get it at all. > [@](#): > > This regional inconsistency between models and observations might be a key to understanding the recent hiatus in global mean temperature warming. In essence, it means the colder trend for NH winters seems to be the actual fucking goddamn reason the annual mean isn’t rising. In other words, the much colder winters, are so fucking cold, it brings the entire annual mean down. Spring and summer didn’t stop warming, that is obvious from the data. Just like it’s obvious from the data that NH winters got a lot fucking colder. You add the two together, and you get a yearly mean that looks flat, or slightly cooling. But in reality, the warming didn’t stop, it’s just that the winters got fucking cold, and by adding the entire year together, to get the “annual value”, it makes it look like the warming stopped, or “paused”. (one reason why using the yearly mean isn’t a very good way to look at climate) When it reality, it’s a major fucking climate change, no doubt about it at this point. Not that facts like that will matter at all. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3278 "2014-11-04T00:41:37Z")
It’s been months now since anyone’s given the poor troll any solid food. He must be starving - it’s hilarious to see how desperate he’s getting for attention. Now he’s reduced to quoting himself and accusing other people of being trolls. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3279 "2014-11-04T01:08:15Z")
Here’s some more science! that will of course be seen as trolling by the fuckhead warmer. (Here’s a clue, I could give a fuck what they think) > [@](#): > > Our findings are consistent with the suggestion that the > recent 15-year period largely represents a highly unusual > (extreme) realization of climate as part of internal variability > (e.g., Meehl et al 2013, Kosaka and Xie 2013, England > et al 2014). Now that’s scientific talk, which goddamn scientists really need to stop doing, but good luck changing that monolithic society, it ain’t going to happen. I would explain what it means, but goddamn, that would be just more dishonesty, according to the fuckheads of the world. > [@](#): > > Other recent studies (Fyfe et al 2013, Fyfe and > Gillett 2014) argue that internal climate variability is unlikely > to be the only explanation for the discrepancy seen between > model and observed trends and that some external forcing > components not fully represented in current climate models > could have contributed to the local cooling trends in cold > extremes. Once again, I know exactly what that means, but fuck, will it matter? > [@](#): > > While precisely identifying the mechanisms behind > the observed regional cooling patterns in extreme cold temperatures > lies beyond the scope of this paper, the results > presented here provide relevant details to complete the overall > picture of recent temperature changes beyond globally averaged > Tmean. And that explains it all. OK not really, they didn’t explain shit. But at least they are suggesting (finally) that the goddamn cold might be the reason for the “pause” in the warming trend. Science. It beats the hell out of religion. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3280 "2014-11-04T01:32:14Z")
Shit, this link should have been in the preceding post. Full paper of **Observed and simulated temperature extremes during the recent warming hiatus** [http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/9/6/064023/pdf/1748-9326\_9\_6\_064023.pdf](http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/9/6/064023/pdf/1748-9326_9_6_064023.pdf) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=163) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=165)