# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 173
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3441 "2014-12-01T13:52:08Z")
Around the planet there is a group of people that denies that humans are influencing the atmosphere and, therefore, global climate. This group is known as American Political Conservatives, and they are motivated by corporate profit above all else. I don’t need politics gumming up my science. > **[UN climate talks begin as global temperatures break records](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30225511)** > > Delegates are set to meet in Peru to try and agree a negotiating text for a new global climate deal to be signed at the end of 2015. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3442 "2014-12-01T14:10:51Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Around the planet there is a group of people that denies that humans are influencing the atmosphere and, therefore, global climate. This group is known as American Political Conservatives, and they are motivated by corporate profit above all else. Just to be clear, greedy corporate bosses make up only a tiny minority of deniers. The two main groups are [ul][li] Ignorant dupes who base most of their opinions on snide remarks made by cute blondes on FoxNews; and[/li][li] Dolts, such as we find in the thread, who got a B+ in some undergraduate science class and therefore assume they know more than the experts, because PhD’s are liberals who drink French wine and have gay friends.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3443 "2014-12-01T17:16:42Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Around the planet there is a group of people that denies that humans are influencing the atmosphere and, therefore, global climate. While that cartoonist simplicity might make us feel good, as in “If only we could do something about the evil group killing the planet”, reality isn’t a single pane political cartoon. And it’s not that people deny just over changes to the atmosphere, air pollution of all kinds. We are all in denial over something we consume, use or do, that we know science says is bad for the earth. If even the new Freons are causing climate change, then you have to stop using them. But that isn’t going to happen. Just like people will not stop driving cars, or using fossil fuels to mine phosphate, or create nitrogen for fertilizers. Cement making isn’t going to stop, nor will people stop cutting/burning forests, or damning up all the major rivers. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3444 "2014-12-02T19:59:27Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Around the planet there is a group of people that denies that humans are influencing the atmosphere and, therefore, global climate. Of that there is little dispute. It’s like stating “Around the planet there is a group of people that denies that humans are polluting the atmosphere and ground and water, therefore, the well being of our lives.” This is pure human nature, where somehow we imagine that it isn’t really that bad, or even harmless, no matter what, or how much poison we create and dispose of, it won’t really hurt us. Or it’s a trade off we can live with. This is easily observed in others, rarely in ourselves. It’s why somebody can sit in modern comfort, typing out a screed about the evil people destroying our world, while doing exactly what the screed is about. Sipping coffee grown, shipped, packaged, delivered and brewed with fossil fuels, we don’t consider our behavior as a problem. No, it’s “them”, the greedy deniers who pumped the fuel out, shipped it, processed it, sold it to the entire chain of commerce that results in our sipping some nice Columbia coffee, all warm and comfortable, with electricity and heat, all of which came from the very thing that is viewed as “evil”, so that somehow the angry mob can vent their spleen over how “other people” are destroying the planet. When faced with these facts, the true denial starts. Because in no circumstance will the angry person calling people “deniers” actually stop using fossil fuels. **Or they will insist only “other people” can do anything about the problem**. The last thing the angry self righteous fuckhead is going to do, is to themselves stop, or drastically reduce, their own consumption. Or spend their own money on creating an alternative. There actually are a whole lot of people who aren’t using fossil fuels, but they aren’t on a message board bitching about deniers, or wasting time typing out their personal animosity and hatred. It’s hard to imagine, but there are still people in the world who don’t have the luxury of wasting time arguing on the internet. They don’t even have internet. Or electricity. But face it, you don’t actually give the slightest of fucks about them. > [@septimus](#): > > Just to be clear, greedy corporate bosses make up only a tiny minority of deniers. You see? It’s not the billions of everyday people using power, eating food and drinking water, all made possible by fossil fuels that’s the problem. No, the real problem is a few greedy people. > [@septimus](#): > > The two main groups are > [ul][li] Ignorant dupes who base most of their opinions on snide remarks made by cute blondes on FoxNews; and[/li][li] Dolts, such as we find in the thread, who got a B+ in some undergraduate science class and therefore assume they know more than the experts, because PhD’s are liberals who drink French wine and have gay friends.[/li][/ul] You see how simple life is? To the smug fuckhead, there’s the problem right there. It’s not that billions of people actually depend each day on fuel, it’s those few idiots that are in denial that’s the problem. If they would just get on board, global warming would be solved. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3445 "2014-12-02T20:06:08Z")
Meanwhile, the facts, even as uncertain as they are, show us an actual thing, something completely unexpected, and certainly not predicted, about the real world. Here’s a look using the polar maps, [showing a 17 year period of warming](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1982&year2=1998&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=pol). There is zero doubt this happened. It has uncertainty of course, but it’s pretty much a fact based look at things. [Don’t forget to look at the regional curve](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_250km_Trnd1203_1982_1998_POL/nmaps_zonal.gif), an important part of each map. You may have to just scroll down the page first linked to, image links which are generated on demand won’t appear unless you followed the first link. [Here is a 17 year period that does not show warming](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1998&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=pol). In fact, it’s almost the opposite of the previous period. Again, compare the regional curves to see why this is so. I know, this requires effort, so most people just won’t do it. Much less think about it. Why should they? It might disturb their comfortable fossil fueled life. Assuming you can view the curves, the difference between the two is startling to a scientist. [Warming](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_250km_Trnd1203_1982_1998_POL/nmaps_zonal.gif) vs [cooling.](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_250km_Trnd1203_1998_2014_POL/nmaps_zonal.gif) Now for someone to actually look at those, who understands climate science, and not see a serious problem, that is true denial. Of course this being the Pit, and science based discussion of such things anathema to the internet, it will be ignored. Denial, it’s not just a river in bumfuck Egypt. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3446 "2014-12-09T15:12:18Z")
Well, I’m sure most everybody is sick of this topic (or rather, seeing a post in it, from FX), so here’s a parting thought. From [DISCOVER magazine](http://discovermagazine.com/2002/sep/cover), 2001 > [@](#): > > William Curry is a serious, sober climate scientist, not an art critic. But he has spent a lot of time perusing Emanuel Gottlieb Leutze’s famous painting “George Washington Crossing the Delaware,” which depicts a boatload of colonial American soldiers making their way to attack English and Hessian troops the day after Christmas in 1776. “Most people think these other guys in the boat are rowing, but they are actually pushing the ice away,” says Curry, tapping his finger on a reproduction of the painting. Sure enough, the lead oarsman is bashing the frozen river with his boot. “I grew up in Philadelphia. **The place in this painting is 30 minutes away by car. I can tell you, this kind of thing just doesn’t happen anymore**.” > > ``` > But it may again. Soon. And ice-choked scenes, similar to those immortalized by the 16th-century Flemish painter Pieter Brueghel the Elder, may also return to Europe. His works, including the 1565 masterpiece "Hunters in the Snow," make the now-temperate European landscapes look more like Lapland. > > ``` And here are some [images and a story about the Delaware river](http://nj1015.com/ice-jam-takes-delaware-river-to-flood-stage/), from Jan 2014 I wish the global warming would take a break this winter (like in 2012), because I am so sick of it. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3447 "2014-12-11T01:42:14Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Around the planet there is a group of people that denies that humans are influencing the atmosphere and, therefore, global climate. Is there anyone in this thread who belongs to this group of people? Also, please name three prominent members of this group. Assuming you are not attacking a strawman, it should be pretty easy. TIA. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3448 "2014-12-11T02:44:16Z")
Oh shit, I think I’m about to be put on Brazil84’s ignore list. > **[My Rules of Debate](https://brazil84.wordpress.com/my-rules-of-debate/)** > > I drafted these rules to give people notice of how I approach internet debates.   If you violate these rules I will ban you.  Obviously, on other message boards, I do not have the power to stop any… ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3449 "2014-12-11T03:15:37Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Around the planet there is a group of people that denies that humans are influencing the atmosphere and, therefore, global climate. > [@brazil84](#): > > Is there anyone in this thread who belongs to this group of people? > > Also, please name three prominent members of this group. Assuming you are not attacking a strawman, it should be pretty easy. Oh man, I thought this thread was dead. Also, how come you never linked to your blog/rules itt? > **[My Rules of Debate](https://brazil84.wordpress.com/my-rules-of-debate/)** > > I drafted these rules to give people notice of how I approach internet debates.   If you violate these rules I will ban you.  Obviously, on other message boards, I do not have the power to stop any… Interesting, and my first thought is, have I ever violated any of those, in answering you of course. I’m quite sure I’ve insulted a few fuckheads before. My memory isn’t perfect, but itt I do not recall anyone flat out in denial about our level of pollution, nor the certainty that we are changing the entire atmospheric balance, mostly by land use changes, cement making and of course, burning fossil fuels. There is a great ironic humor, in that I started off the thread with an example of a cold record being broken. So many more have happened since then, and currently it’s still happening, with what looks like another record cold boreal winter, started early as well. But fuck all that, did you see the new paper on this? With no less than Phil Jones involved? It states and shows clearly exactly what I’ve been talking about for years now. How the boreal winter cooling is the cause of the pause. [Trends in hemispheric warm and cold anomalies†](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL062323/abstract) Scott M. Robeson1,\*, Cort J. Willmott2 andPhil D. Jones3 DOI: 10.1002/2014GL062323 > [@](#): > > All spatial percentiles in both hemispheres show increases from 1881-2013, but warming occurred unevenly via modification of cold anomalies, producing a reduction in spatial dispersion. In the most recent 30-year period, trends also were consistently positive, with warm anomalies having much larger warming rates than those of cold anomalies in both hemispheres. This recent trend has largely reversed the decrease in spatial dispersion that occurred during the 20th century. While the period associated with the recent slowdown of global warming, 1998-2013, is too brief to estimate trends reliably, **cooling was evident in NH warm and cold anomalies during January and February while other months in the NH continued to warm**. > [@](#): > > “There really hasn’t been a pause in global warming,” Robeson said. “There’s been a pause in Northern Hemisphere winter warming.” [Temperature Anomalies Warming Faster than Earth's Average](http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/11041/20141210/temperature-anomalies-warming-faster-than-earths-average.htm) You may recall this was the point I was making in the locked topic in great debates, as well as countless time in this very topic. Not that the facts, much less an actual study like this will matter. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3450 "2014-12-11T03:20:09Z")
But goddamn, somebody with some credentials finally has noticed what was obvious, for at least the last five years. Of course they aren’t going to mention that this is exactly the opposite of what both theory and the models predict will happen due to an enhanced greenhouse effect, as the cause of warming. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3451 "2014-12-11T03:33:44Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oh man, I thought this thread was dead. Trolls always get scared by that. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3452 "2014-12-11T03:39:17Z")
Hahahahaha! You got to love the internets. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3453 "2014-12-11T03:44:45Z")
Trolls love the internets. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3454 "2014-12-11T04:18:55Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Stupidity and ignorance, however, are extremely easy. I’m quite certain you are an expert on those matters. Now run off an play, the adults are talking here. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I think that’s the plank, because I’m thinking a lot of the folks who think AGW is disproven by every cold winter or mild summer or whatever would’ve seen the light by now if you and people like you would crisply and briskly spell out just what AGW predicts instead of leaving them to guess. > > But if I’m wrong – if plank-like opposition would persist even after you’ve dealt with the mote of swift clarification – then what’s the harm in supplying distinct ideas that reason can act upon? > > You say you already advised on a simple way to falsify what Plass reported; I say – because I’ve seen you do it before, albeit with great reluctance and after an unnecessarily long delay – that you can simplify further; I say there’s no need for you to indirectly advise, since you can _flatly state_. It would take you less time and effort, while clearing up the whole issue by answering the questions you’re being asked. > > Given only what you’ve posted in this thread, I truly couldn’t say what future hypothetical evidence would force you to admit that your current prediction is dead wrong; I couldn’t say how soon you could be proven incorrect, and I couldn’t say which results would do it. **Which is pretty much the current problem facing the alarmists** , and even the serious researcher, since as time goes by, it’s becoming impossible to stick with the original theory. Note the paper that simply came out and said it. Jan and Feb are trending colder. This is 100% against the global warming theory. In fact, winter amplification leading to even more winter warming is a key mechanism for AGW. That the opposite is happening, and it’s starting to look like it can’t be handwaved away any longer, it’s a serious issue. In fact, it’s a really important matter. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The problem, FX, is that there are a hell of a lot of _complete and utter morons_ who actually _believe_ the shit you’re trolling with in this thread. I’ve heard far dumber. That may be, but I tend to ignore the idiots, they are quite simply, boring. > [@Gagundathar](#): > > I agree. I find it rather interesting that \*\*FXMastermind \*\*and \*\*Brazil84 \*\*appear to be championing the notion that Global Warming / Climate Change is a fabrication based on flawed studies. Utter nonsense, which is why when faced with having to back up your claim, you left. I find it humorous in the extreme that the idiots think it’s trolling, when faced with massive science based posts, like the following example. (which is related of course to the new paper) > [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m pretty sure Gigogallop is going to learn more than a few things after he reads this post. None of which he has discussed before. Once he starts talking about the following, you will know I schooled him. Again. > > Disclaimer and disclosure - The following is going to be in the form of a rant. It will also contain “Yo! Bitch!”, which should be read as [Jesse from Breaking Bad](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQTrdYEaoIU), since that is how I am using it. > > Also there will be a lot of cursing, because it’s the Pit. And it makes if funnier. Also, it will be simple so people reading who are not climate scientists can follow along. > > Oh, and here is the tl;dr at the beginning. > > tl;dr = An explanation of both why NH winters have been trending colder, and why the CO2 theory turned out to be wrong so far. Unlike the idiot troll, who posts a one liner, devoid of any actual content, much less effort, we see massive overkill, with all kinds of science and humor. It’s actually by design, I know full well the trolls don’t actually read posts, much less study any of the links. I know that for a fact, as hidden within the massive walls of data and text, there actually are some obvious set ups, but the trolls never even see them. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3455 "2014-12-11T04:22:42Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Unfortunately, many, perhaps most warmers don’t have a clear understanding of what they believe in so fervently. So it’s impossible to engage with them rationally. Yeah, but to be fair, the other side suffers from the same flaw. It may be hard to fathom, but the “skeptics” are almost as resistant as the true believers, when it comes to the science. Both sides are so cock sure of themselves, it makes me sick. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3456 "2014-12-11T04:32:37Z")
No adult would be quite so desperate for attention as this idiot troll. If the only person you can get to play with you is another utter moron like **brazil84** you’ve lost the game. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3457 "2014-12-12T02:29:53Z")
> [@](#): > > If you try and debunk a myth, you may end up reinforcing that belief, strengthening the misinformation in people’s mind without making the correct information take hold. > > What you must do, they argue, is to start with the plausible alternative (that obviously you believe is correct). If you must mention a myth, you should mention this second, and only after clearly warning people that you’re about to discuss something that isn’t true. > > This debunking advice is also worth bearing in mind if you find yourself clinging to your own beliefs in the face of contradictory facts. You can’t be right all of the time, after all. [How to debunk falsehoods](http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141113-the-best-way-to-debunk-myths) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3458 "2014-12-12T10:12:15Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Oh shit, I think I’m about to be put on Brazil84’s ignore list. Not necessarily, why not just answer my question? You stated that there is a group of people that denies that humans are influencing the atmosphere and, therefore, global climate. This is a pretty extreme belief. I don’t have this belief; as far as I know, **fxmastermind** doesn’t have this belief. It looks to me like you are pretty much setting up a strawman to attack. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3459 "2014-12-12T10:16:41Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oh man, I thought this thread was dead. > > Also, how come you never linked to your blog/rules itt? I don’t know, if somebody (not on my shit list) had asked for the link, I would have been happy to provide it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3460 "2014-12-13T00:00:56Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I don’t know, if somebody (not on my shit list) had asked for the link, I would have been happy to provide it. Well I just got an answer to my wondering. Obviously I’m not on ignore. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Interesting, and my first thought is, have I ever violated any of those, in answering you of course. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=172) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=174)