# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 174
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3461 "2014-12-13T06:12:11Z")
Brief highjack, but, in very much the same vein as, “Oh, it’s cold out tonight, so global warming must be nonsense,” southern California just had a couple of rainstorms, which dropped a few inches of water on us. Now, we actually have idiots declaring, “The drought is over!” ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3462 "2014-12-13T15:46:51Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Brief highjack, Not really, it’s quite on topic. People using short term events, and confusing them for climate, is a major theme in topic. > [@Trinopus](#): > > Now, we actually have idiots declaring, “The drought is over!” Which is human nature. People have ALWAYS been like this. The weather, especially in California, isn’t even that big of a mystery. Due to an abundance of evidence, and especially the very long lived trees there, we know a lot about California climate in the past. That any of it seems some great mystery, or that anyone is freaking out over the current conditions, shows just how ignorant the media and current consensus science is. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3463 "2014-12-13T16:03:24Z")
> [@](#): > > The 1934 drought affected about seven times more land area than other large droughts that hit North America between the years 1000 and 2005, and was almost 30 percent worse than the 1580 drought, the second most severe drought to hit the continent in the past 1,005 years. > > “We noticed that 1934 really stuck out as not only the worst drought, but far outside the normal range of what we see in the record,” lead researcher Ben Cook said in a statement. Cook is a climate scientist at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City and holds a joint appointment at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. [Dry and Dying: See Stark Images of Drought] > > The same atmospheric phenomenon that emerged during the winter of 1933 to 1934 is also present today. This high-pressure ridge over the West Coast deflects storms holding much-needed rain, and may be causing the current drought crippling California, the researchers said. > **[Another Dust Bowl? California Drought Resembles Worst in Millennium](https://www.livescience.com/48301-dust-bowl-drought.html)** > > The 1934 drought is the worst on record for North America in the past 1,000 years, and had similar conditions to the current California drought. [If you actually look at the climate records](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/04/00/pcp/8/08/1895-1935?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&filter=true&filterType=binomial), California looks like it is going through a climate cycle, and while it is indeed bad, it’s not unusual. This is exactly why we use science, not what is happening this year, to understand climate. [The thirties were extremely bad for California](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/04/00/pcp/ytd/12/1895-1935?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&filter=true&filterType=binomial), as well as most of the US. It’s the ignorance about this that makes people freak out over the present. It has to be by design, since the facts are no great secret in regards to precipitation. ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3464 "2014-12-13T16:58:44Z")
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**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3465 "2014-12-13T19:07:31Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Brief highjack, but, in very much the same vein as, “Oh, it’s cold out tonight, so global warming must be nonsense,” southern California just had a couple of rainstorms, which dropped a few inches of water on us. > > Now, we actually have idiots declaring, “The drought is over!” I’m honestly curious - can you point to a couple news articles or internet posts containing these “the drought is over” claims? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3466 "2014-12-13T19:50:55Z")
A casual Twitter search produces a not-insubstantial number of idiots declaring the drought to be over. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3467 "2014-12-13T19:53:48Z")
Here’s more idiots for ya: [the california drought is over | IGN Boards](http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/the-california-drought-is-over.454312275/) And I don’t think you get more idiotic than people who post at IGN. But them, I’m a complete bigot. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3468 "2014-12-13T20:00:30Z")
Well goddamn, your problem is obvious. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3469 "2014-12-13T20:01:06Z")
Aaaand plenty of idiots on Facebook as well. Yup, I’m certainly agreeing with **Trin**. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3470 "2014-12-13T20:03:09Z")
Of course for “[total asshole move of the year](http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/greenpeace-with-the-nazca-lines.454328504/)” you can’t beat Greenpeace. What the fuck were they thinking? Do those assholes even think? ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3471 "2014-12-13T20:21:24Z")
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**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3472 "2014-12-13T20:29:07Z")
> [@andros](#): > > A casual Twitter search produces a not-insubstantial number of idiots declaring the drought to be over. I searched twitter for the phrase California drought is over. Here are the tops hits I found: > [@](#): > > Yes, It’s Raining in California. No, the Drought Is Not Over – Circle of Blue WaterNews Top Stories > [@](#): > > But, every little helps right? I don’t believe most people think the #drought is over from one storm, in fairness. > [@](#): > > Here’s How Much the Storm Is Helping California’s Epic Drought “drought’s not over…not even close” > [@](#): > > California drought: Winter storms finally starting to boost storage levels in key reservoirs > [@](#): > > So is the drought over? Not even close. We need 6 more I did find this: > [@](#): > > that drought in California is over now. The tweet links to a Scientific American post: [What is This Atmospheric River That is Flooding California](http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2014/12/11/what-is-this-atmospheric-river-that-is-flooding-california/) The Scientific American article is actually pretty similar to a lot of the global warming stories I have seen. It talks about a serious threat of monster storms and flooding but doesn’t actually make any clear predictions. And yes, I agree it’s idiotic to declare the drought to be over based on speculation contained in a science magazine. Kinda reminds me of the people who claimed a few years back that snow would soon be a thing of the past in Britain. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3473 "2014-12-13T20:44:31Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > And yes, I agree it’s idiotic to declare the drought to be over based on speculation contained in a science magazine. Kinda reminds me of the people who claimed a few years back that snow would soon be a thing of the past in Britain. To be fair, at the time of the ill advised prophecies of snow, the models and theory, along with a climate cycle of warming winters and reduced snowfall, were strong evidence of a trend for much warmer winters, with reduced snowfall. [You can see this in the snow data](http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_anom.php?ui_set=1&ui_region=eurasia&ui_month=2). You can also see why [the predictions were so very very wrong](http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_anom.php?ui_set=1&ui_region=eurasia&ui_month=1). Based on the data, it won’t be a surprise if [this winter is another heavy snow winter for North America](http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_anom.php?ui_set=1&ui_region=namgnld&ui_month=12). Just like how we can estimate [the summer snow will be very low](http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_anom.php?ui_set=1&ui_region=namgnld&ui_month=6). ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3474 "2014-12-13T22:39:35Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m honestly curious - can you point to a couple news articles or internet posts containing these “the drought is over” claims? Others have given several cites. The first place I heard it was a right-wing talk/hate radio show. (“The John and Ken Show,” KFI AM, Los Angeles.) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3475 "2014-12-14T09:08:17Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Others have given several cites. So you agree it’s pretty idiotic to claim that “the drought is over” based on a Scientific American article which says this: > [@](#): > > Huge flows of vapor in the atmosphere, dubbed “atmospheric rivers,” have unleashed massive floods every 200 years, and climate change could bring more of them ? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3476 "2014-12-14T17:07:54Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Brief highjack, but, in very much the same vein as, “Oh, it’s cold out tonight, so global warming must be nonsense,” southern California just had a couple of rainstorms, which dropped a few inches of water on us. This illustrates why science is better than what happened outside your house The rain totals aren’t some mystery > **[Home Page](http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/precip/DLYPCP)** > > Working with other agencies and the public, our programs strategically manage California's water resources and systems. Our goal is to meet social, environmental, and economic objectives for long-term water sustainability. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3477 "2014-12-14T17:17:02Z")
11-3-14 > [@andros](#): > > (bolding mine) > > who do you think you’re fooling? Seriously, you can’t actually believe that, can you? No response. 11-4-14 > [@alienvessels](#): > > he’s so frothing now that even if nobody posts, he’ll anecdote the hell out of the pieces of froth. > > I’m looking forward to his next thread tearing apart the theory of evolution. 11-4-14 > [@colibri](#): > > at this point it’s just public masturbation. More pathetic than anything else. no response 3 days later 11-7-14 > [@fear itself](#): > > largest storm ever recorded threatens alaska with 50 foot waves. > > [http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/weathermatrix/strongest-storm-in-the-world-to-approach-alaska/36942007](http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/weathermatrix/strongest-storm-in-the-world-to-approach-alaska/36942007) > [@fxmastermind](#): > > that’s the spirit. But you have to blame it on global warming. That’s how to deal with trolls. Don’t respond to them. In [the troll thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=714352&page=7) GIGO ended up making 7 posts in a row, but since nobody ever responded, the thread died ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3478 "2014-12-14T17:30:20Z")
This particular troll, though, just keeps responding to its own troll posts and quoting other posters from months ago, just to make it look like it’s getting some actual response. An exceptionally desperate and pathetic troll, to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3479 "2014-12-14T19:48:09Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > 11-3-14 No response. You wound me. To the core. I thought we had something, man. I thought we were _tight_. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3480 "2014-12-14T23:40:22Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Most of us understand that they are debating honestly, with facts to back them up, while others – well, you, actually – debate dishonestly, and deliberately distort the facts. That’s priceless. It really is. My consistent position, based on the facts, has been clear, and always backed up with cites, evidence and clear reasoning. Anyone who has actually paid attention knows the three main points. Boreal winters have been cooling. This boreal cooling trend is the reason for the global annual mean to be flat, or even cooling. The computer models didn’t predict this, and can’t reproduce this event. The bigger issue is of course that the basic global warming theory doesn’t predict this at all. The fuckhead considers this trolling. Which is just fucking hilarious. It really is. Here is some simple and clear evidence that shows these points are now showing up in scientific papers. > [@](#): > > The largest discrepancy between observed and simulated trends in cold extremes is found in the Northern mid-latitudes (20 °N–45 °N), **where observations indicate a coherent zonal band of decreasing trends over the recent 15 years**. This might be connected to the recent hiatus in the warming of global Tmean, which has been characterized mainly as a winter phenomenon (e.g., Kosaka and Xie 2013, Cohen et al 2012). [http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/9/6/064023/pdf/1748-9326\_9\_6\_064023.pdf](http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/9/6/064023/pdf/1748-9326_9_6_064023.pdf) > [@](#): > > Spatial trend patterns differ for the warm and cold extremes, with the warm extremes showing continuous positive trends across the globe and **the cold extremes exhibiting a coherent cooling pattern across the Northern Hemisphere mid-latitudes that has emerged in the recent 15 years and is not reproduced by the models**. [Radware Captcha Page](http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/9/6/064023/) > [@](#): > > Current consensus on global climate change predicts warming trends driven by anthropogenic forcing, with maximum temperature changes projected in the Northern Hemisphere (NH) high latitudes during winter. **Yet, global temperature trends show little warming over the most recent decade or so.** [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011GL050582/pdf](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011GL050582/pdf) > [@](#): > > In summary, **large-scale cooling has occurred during boreal winter over much of the NH landmasses over the last two and a half decades** [http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014007/pdf/1748-9326\_7\_1\_014007.pdf](http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014007/pdf/1748-9326_7_1_014007.pdf) In this brand new paper, they just come out and say it. > [@](#): > > While the period associated with the recent slowdown of global warming, 1998-2013, is too brief to estimate trends reliably, **cooling was evident in NH warm and cold anomalies during January and February while other months in the NH continued to warm.** [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL062323/abstract](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL062323/abstract) Which is exactly what I pointed out [in the topic that was locked](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=716196). Warming has continued for most of the year, but the cooling trend for boreal winters is so strong, it brings the global annual mean down, so that it looks flat, or slightly cooling. And of course I showed all my work, so that anyone who was skeptical could check. So keep posting one liners, and thinking you aren’t the troll, it amuses me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=173) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=175)