# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 182
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3621 "2015-01-10T10:25:29Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Are you fucking kidding? No, I’m serious. > [@](#): > > Go and look at any of the threads Sorry, but I’m not your research assistant. It’s not my responsibility to go looking for quotes to back up your bullshit. If it’s that common, it should be extremely easy for you to back up your claim. But for some mysterious reason, you refuse to do so. > [@](#): > > Look at how he’s mocked the “hockey stick” graph. He denied the fact of global warming for years and years! Ummm, are you seriously asserting that rejecting the “hockey stick” graph is equivalent to denying that temperatures have increased over the last 100 years? Seriously? > [@](#): > > How can you possibly deny his denialism? He’s soaking in it! I haven’t noticed any post where he denies that temperatures have increased over the last 100 years. He himself says that he doesn’t deny it. It’s possible that I missed something, but that’s why I’m asking you to back up your claim. So please do. Please quote **FXMastermind** where he states or implies that temperatures have not risen over the past 100 years. Also, please answer my question from above: Are you seriously asserting that rejecting the “hockey stick” graph is equivalent to denying that temperatures have increased over the last 100 years? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3622 "2015-01-10T14:00:48Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Given that the 1800s were the end of the Little Ice Age, this seems like pretty much a no-brainer to me, but I am curious as to your opinion. Well you are much more open minded about his opinion than I am, at this point. People who make shit up, and then weasel out of admitting they just made something up, are trolls. Or maybe just full of shit. YMMV Certainly the alarmists try to tar all who disagree with them, in any way, with a wide brush. It’s like politics, rather than science. Rabid politics, not the civil kind. It’s why I found years ago, that showing them fact based information just doesn’t matter. They made up their minds first, so the scientific method is useless. For example, from the GD topic, where some people still think US winters (along with the world) are warming faster than ever, faster than any other season. > [@Is global warming falsifiable?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-falsifiable/687786/716): > > I don’t expect a believer to be able to see it. But for anyone looking for the actual state of things, it’s pretty easy to see. Just how climatecentral fools gullible people is another topic. But this is an example of how global warming can never be falsified. > > Remember, the claim made is “While the U.S. as a whole has seen a warming trend that has raised annual average temperatures by 1.3°F over the past 100 years, warming varies seasonally, **and it’s winter that has seen the fastest warming**.” > > [Here’s summer 1915-2014](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=0603&year1=1915&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) > > [Here’s winter 1915-2014](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1915&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) > > They lied. It’s not true. But the facts don’t matter, which is why nothing can ever matter, global warming isn’t scientific. ClimateCentral is just an example of the deception and dishonesty that much of the global warming “movement” spews every day. The [study mentioned is here](http://www.climatecentral.org/news/winters-are-warming-all-across-the-us-15590). Even using their own data, a scientific person can see the problem, (they used 1912-2012 for their long term data), which is the simple fact is, that for almost half of the US, winters have not warmed in the last hundred years. Even worse, looking at the 100 year trend, globally, using the NASA GISS data, you can see the serious problem for global warming theory. [winter 1912-2012](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1912&year2=2012&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) trend .80 C [summer 1912-2012](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0603&year1=1912&year2=2012&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) trend .79 C If, as the theory assumes, greenhouse warming is the cause, we should see a winter increase much greater than the summer. We can switch to the more recent warming period, which is always popular with alarmists. [summer 1970-2014](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0603&year1=1970&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) trend .63 C [winter 1970-2014](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1970&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) trend .59 C This used one of the coldest periods in recent history to start the trend, but it actually makes the global warming appear to be due to something besides an enhanced greenhouse effect. (you should be objecting that since the land is supposed to show the most warming, just use the land figures) Sadly, land only doesn’t change the trends much at all. > [@brazil84](#): > > Are you seriously asserting that rejecting the “hockey stick” graph is equivalent to denying that temperatures have increased over the last 100 years? It’s that I question and look at everything, that is what they think deniers do. And once that religion labels you, they stop listening. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3623 "2015-01-10T20:11:51Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > The conventional AGW hypothesis makes a number of specific predictions. Yes, it predicts warmer winters; colder winters; more rain; less rain; more snow; less snow; and probably a hundred other vague, contradictory things. You don’t need a PhD to know that a hypothesis which predicts everything in this fashion is completely meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3624 "2015-01-10T22:44:06Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > And just for laughs (or groans and gnashing of teeth), a river in Greece, that has never frozen over before, froze over. > > [http://en.enikos.gr/society/22101,Venetikos\_river\_in\_northern\_Greece\_froze.html](http://en.enikos.gr/society/22101,Venetikos_river_in_northern_Greece_froze.html) > > Along with unheard of snowfall and cold, [a lot of Greeks are sick of this global warming](http://en.enikos.gr/society/21990,Aegean_island_of_Tinos_covered_in_snow_-.html). > > Why laughs you might ask? Because global warming alarmists have been yelling about the dangers of warming, and how winters would become warmer. Not record cold. > > Does the fact that it is colder than it ever has been mean anything? Only if you live in the real world. That’s cool, both literally and figurativly. Thanks for pointing out that anomaly, I enjoyed reading about. Just to keep the balance, since you only point out record cold and not record heat, here is another one: [Anchorage Alaska does not drop below zero degrees during 2014, something that has never happened before in recorded history.](http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-baked-alaska-20150103-story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3625 "2015-01-10T22:57:26Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > . . . Are you seriously asserting that rejecting the “hockey stick” graph is equivalent to denying that temperatures have increased over the last 100 years? The graph is a depiction of the data. How do you reject one without the other? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3626 "2015-01-10T23:02:43Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > . . . [Anchorage Alaska does not drop below zero degrees during 2014, something that has never happened before in recorded history.](http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-baked-alaska-20150103-story.html) And Los Angeles almost made it through the entire year without dropping below 60 degrees…but crossed the line only at the very last week of the year. [Then there’s Australia…](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/science/earth/human-related-climate-change-led-to-extreme-heat-scientists-say.html?_r=0) The concept of “average” seems wholly alien to the denialists. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3627 "2015-01-10T23:19:39Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > The graph is a depiction of the data. What data? > [@](#): > > How do you reject one without the other? For one thing, the most controversial part of the hockey stick graph has nothing to do with temperature from the last 100 years – it’s the proxy-based reconstruction. You do realize, don’t you, that the hockey stick graph goes back to the year 1000? For another thing, there are a lot ways that temperature could increase over the last 100 years which aren’t the same shape as the hockey stick graph. Now please answer my question (a simple yes or no will do) Are you seriously asserting that rejecting the “hockey stick” graph is equivalent to denying that temperatures have increased over the last 100 years? Also, please quote FXMastermind where he states or implies that temperatures have not risen over the past 100 years. Either that or admit that you are bullshitting again. ---
**Author:** ![DingoelGringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DingoelGringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DingoelGringo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3628 "2015-01-10T23:24:02Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > “Global Warming” is SO last year…its now “Climate Change”. Climate change covers everything-warm summers, cool winters, warm winters, cool summers, oceans heating up, oceans cooling down! Don’t confuse CC with science-its actually a cult religion. Have you ever visited anywhere when it wasn’t either the coldest the people can remember or the hottest or the wettest or the cloudiest or the driest or something? “Global warming is so last year.” the man says, but only a theory that is not valid needs to change its terminology every year to keep the people confused. ---
**Author:** ![DingoelGringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DingoelGringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DingoelGringo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3629 "2015-01-10T23:29:59Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Would you mind quoting him where he has done so? > > Because I think you are bullshitting again. > > In fact, I don’t think there’s anyone in this thread who disputes “global warming” as you have defined it. > > But please . . . quote him. I’d say any sane person disputes global warning. The pretense was in 1978 that the sea level would rise 3 meters before the turn of the century, but it hasn’t. Read Michael Chricten’s book on that foolishness. Just like the crazies who say the end of the world is due, when it doesn’t happen there is no apology, nor even a shameful look on their face. ---
**Author:** ![DingoelGringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DingoelGringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DingoelGringo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3630 "2015-01-10T23:34:41Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > And Los Angeles almost made it through the entire year without dropping below 60 degrees…but crossed the line only at the very last week of the year. > > [Then there’s Australia…](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/science/earth/human-related-climate-change-led-to-extreme-heat-scientists-say.html?_r=0) > > The concept of “average” seems wholly alien to the denialists. Maybe read some of the stories by Nevil Shute about the heat in Australia and spontaneous combustion of towns long before any one had invented the term global warming human based climate change. ---
**Author:** ![DingoelGringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DingoelGringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DingoelGringo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3631 "2015-01-11T00:54:41Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Here’s one, and it’s right on topic. Large regions of the NH have been suffering unusual, even record cold winters. Nothing at all like global warming theory predicted, or predicts. > > Cohen’s SCast modle (based on his new theory about what is happening) predicts this winter to be very cold for large areas of the NH, based on snowfall already recorded in Siberia (record early and record amounts) > > here’s some sources > [News | NCAR & UCAR News](http://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/perspective/13043/burning-questions-about-winter-cold) > [Andhranews -](http://www.andhranews.net/Intl/2007/August/21/Scientists-verify-accuracy-12588.asp) > [Autumn Snow Predicts Winter Weather | Live Science](http://www.livescience.com/1822-autumn-snow-predicts-winter-weather.html) > [http://www.iop.org/news/12/jan/page\_53414.html](http://www.iop.org/news/12/jan/page_53414.html) > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/12/02/why-prosperous-autumn-snows-in-eurasia-may-portend-a-brutal-east-coast-winter/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/12/02/why-prosperous-autumn-snows-in-eurasia-may-portend-a-brutal-east-coast-winter/) > > Here’ an actual paper from Cohen et al. [http://web.mit.edu/jlcohen/www/papers/CohenandFletcher\_JC07.pdf](http://web.mit.edu/jlcohen/www/papers/CohenandFletcher_JC07.pdf) > > Here’s somebody predicting the same thing > [http://firsthandweather.com/374/siberian-snow-cover-may-bring-a-brutally-cold-2014-15-winter/](http://firsthandweather.com/374/siberian-snow-cover-may-bring-a-brutally-cold-2014-15-winter/) > > (I don’t know anything about the firsthandweather blog, just found it) > > In case you somehow missed it, recent research based on actual observations (not models) theorizes that the colder winter trend (and it is global, not local), might actually be a result of arctic warming, which is due to greenhouse warming. > > . George Orwell 1984. War is peace Love is Hate. And you are saying that cooling is actually warming, yep makes sense to me! NOT! ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3632 "2015-01-11T01:05:44Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > . . . Also, please quote FXMastermind where he states or implies that temperatures have not risen over the past 100 years. Either that or admit that you are bullshitting again. I pointed to the specific post in this thread. A wise man recently said to me, “Sorry, but I’m not your research assistant. It’s not my responsibility to go looking for quotes to back up your bullshit.” You are obviously not engaging in valid debate, but are only playing games. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3633 "2015-01-11T05:22:35Z")
> [@DingoelGringo](#): > > I’d say any sane person disputes global warning. The pretense was in 1978 that the sea level would rise 3 meters before the turn of the century, but it hasn’t. > Read Michael Chricten’s book on that foolishness. Just like the crazies who say the end of the world is due, when it doesn’t happen there is no apology, nor even a shameful look on their face. You got some cites for this? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3634 "2015-01-11T05:29:32Z")
> [@DingoelGringo](#): > > I’d say any sane person disputes global warning. The pretense was in 1978 that the sea level would rise 3 meters before the turn of the century, but it hasn’t. > Read Michael Chricten’s book on that foolishness. Just like the crazies who say the end of the world is due, when it doesn’t happen there is no apology, nor even a shameful look on their face. > [@DingoelGringo](#): > > Maybe read some of the stories by Nevil Shute about the heat in Australia and spontaneous combustion of towns long before any one had invented the term global warming human based climate change. > [@DingoelGringo](#): > > George Orwell 1984. War is peace Love is Hate. And you are saying that cooling is actually warming, yep makes sense to me! NOT! Wait, are you basing your understanding of climate change on 3 science fiction writers? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3635 "2015-01-11T10:33:11Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I pointed to the specific post in this thread. I looked at the post – there’s nothing in that post where he denies that temperatures have risen over the past 100 years. Please just admit that you are bullshitting again. > [@](#): > > You are obviously not engaging in valid debate, but are only playing games. Lol, nice projection. Look, you are the one who claimed that **FXMastermind** “certainly” has disputed that global temperatures rose over the past 100 years. I simply expressed skepticism about your claim and asked you to back it up. You have the burden of proof on this point. You are unable to carry your burden. Please just admit it, the sky won’t fall. I also asked you a simple, reasonable question aimed at figuring out your position: Are you seriously asserting that rejecting the “hockey stick” graph is equivalent to denying that temperatures have increased over the last 100 years? It’s a very simple yes or no question. Why won’t you answer it? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3636 "2015-01-11T19:18:12Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > . . . Lol, nice projection. Look, you are the one who claimed that **FXMastermind** “certainly” has disputed that global temperatures rose over the past 100 years. Actually, if you want to play games, show me where I said that. Not where I responded to what you said, but where I actually said, “ **FXMastermind** has disputed that global temperatures rose over the past 100 years.” Because, I never actually said that. You did, and I responded. If you really want the truth, why not ask him? He’s right here. Hey, **FXMastermind**? Do you dispute that global temperatures have risen over the past 100 years? You’re too busy playing the “Show me” game (and, when anyone else plays that game against you, you play the “I’m not your research assistant” game) to demonstrate any interest in the truth. Now, show me where Napoleon Bonaparte said, “This is a fucking waste of time” or else admit that you’re playing games. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3637 "2015-01-11T21:52:25Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > It’s a very simple yes or no question. > > Why won’t you answer it? I wouldn’t be surprised if there is no answer to that question as well. I don’t expect any answer from the rabid global warmers, ever. Of course one can be surprised, and every now and then, very rare actually, somebody preaching doom and sneering at everything they don’t comprehend, or understand, or like, will actually try to respond to a direct question, but it’s very very rare. It’s a psychological issue, IMNSHO of course. There could be an entire topic about it, and not just for global warming questions, it’s common everywhere an issue is political, or religious. Somebody who is putting forth actual science loves questions. Hell, most people could give a shit about something as obscure or rarely discussed as the questions surrounding feedbacks involving clouds, water vapor and early snow fall in Siberia. For fucks sake, **Cohen and others have been talking about it, publishing about it, for over 7 years now, and nobody in this topic even known about it**. Much less cares to explore the matter. You ask me a question and you get a shit ton of cites and quotes from scientific publications, as well as GISS maps and boreal winter trend figures and “Jesus fuck he won’t shut the fuck up about it”, but you ask a warmer a simple question, and they ignore it, or worse, play fuckhead games. It’s fuckhead madness I say. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3638 "2015-01-11T21:55:58Z")
Don’t believe it? One more time. It’s about as simple as can be. “Does the theory of human caused global warming, (AGW, the CO2 theory, global warming theory), predict winters will become warmer over time?” That’s a pretty basic and important question. Why would anyone promoting global warming, who expresses great concern over global warming, who is sure it is happening, why would they avoid answering it? Now there’s a good question. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3639 "2015-01-11T22:48:37Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if there is no answer to that question as well. . . . The one I asked you? Gotcha. No surprise at all. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3640 "2015-01-11T22:51:16Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > . . . “Does the theory of human caused global warming, (AGW, the CO2 theory, global warming theory), predict winters will become warmer over time?” . . . Globally? Yes. Globally, winters are getting warmer. The best you can do is point to certain specific localities and limited periods of time. “What part of average do you not understand?” This needs to be tattooed on you somewhere. It’s like the guy who saw the stock market tumble 300 points on a recent Friday, and then proceed to deny that there has been a recovery since 2007. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=181) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=183)