# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 193
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3841 "2015-02-22T22:59:00Z")
> [@Subterraneanus](#): > > **FX** , you’re a fucking idiot. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Did you know? Warmer temperatures lead to higher amounts of water vapor in the air due to a process known as “evaporation”. > > [http://water.epa.gov/scitech/climatechange/Water-Impacts-of-Climate-Change.cfm](http://water.epa.gov/scitech/climatechange/Water-Impacts-of-Climate-Change.cfm) > > More evaporation, and more water in the air, during the winter? > > Let’s go monosyllabic to make things easier for some to follow along with: > > It… mean… more… snow… fall. > > Did you know? The amount of actual snowfall in a place like Antarctica,\*\* the coldest fucking place on earth\*\*, is so low, it is considered a desert. > > [Climate of Antarctica - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Antarctica) > > “Extremely dry” > > “Technically a desert” > > (The cold-and-dry kind) :eek: Yes, those are a thing. > > And if temperatures increase globally, that can change, leading to **more snowfall (and rainfall) in cold climates,** and increased spreading of other kinds of deserts (the hot-and-dry kind) in warmer climates. > > :smack: \<------------I believe this is the smiley face you need to use after every single one of your posts. > [@Gorsnak](#): > > **Askthepizzaguy** ’s point is that increased global surface temperatures mean more _precipitation_. Whether it’s snow or not depends on the temperature. In a place like Boston where it is often below freezing in February this will mean more snow, and so when Boston is the topic of conversation one might phrase this simply as increased temperatures lead to more snow. In a place like southeast England where, when it snows at all, it’s usually only just barely cold enough to be snow rather than rain, then one might point out that increased precipitation and a marginal increase in temperature might mean _less_ snow (and more rain). … ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3842 "2015-02-22T23:09:17Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The point is not simplistic, nor is it nitpicking. To understand this, just reverse the claim. Somebody changes the data, or uses the raw data, like for the US, (which actually shows no warming), and presents a graph showing not only no global warming, but actual cooling. Especially for winters. > > They claim that “using the actual data makes global warming vanish”. You can argue with the claim (which is arguing over the data), but you certainly wouldn’t buy the premise that “using this data makes global warming vanish”, that’s just not possible. > > And it’s actually going on, where people who use the RSS data claim there is no global warming, and those who insist global warming has actually become worse claim that it’s nonsense to say there is no global warming, based on the data. > > Hell, the data is the last thing that shows global warming. You can’t claim there is no global warming just because the data shows there has been no warming. That’s insane. You know what’s insane? [Continually bumping this thread and expecting everyone who is not **brazil84** to stop laughing at you.](http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3843 "2015-02-22T23:34:26Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > With all those billions just being handed out, why no concerted effort to point out that the global warming theory is just wrong at this point? Based on the official data alone, it’s obvious. Because it’s not obvious. Even those who are being paid to shill for the oil companies know it is not obvious. Even they understand the actual data, so they know that if they posted your crap, they would be laughed at. It is only obvious to you. You alone. And that is because you are a stupid fucking muppet. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3844 "2015-02-23T00:07:21Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Dude, your scorn and sarcasm are so deeply layered, I honestly can’t tell when–if ever–you’re being serious. I know exactly what you mean. The one or two line trolls in this topic strike me as exactly like that. Can they be serious? It’s not possible anyone can actually be that ignorant, so it seems like a joke. > [@andros](#): > > Do you have a link to UK snowfall over the past 15 years handy? To my knowledge, such a simple thing simply does not exist on the internet. It certainly does not exist on the MET web site, unless it’s so well hidden even my Google Fu can’t find it. [Here’s a summary](http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=winter-history;sess=) which is quite helpful in general. The [snow lying data here](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/summaries/anomacts) is only from 2011 to present, but even if we had it all, it does not show amounts. The [rainfall and temp anomalies data here](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/summaries/anomalygraphs) can be cross checked with it, but certainly does not allow for any scientific conclusions, except for one simple fact, and that is when there is a fuckton of snow in England, it is cold. This can also be determined using the [monthly actual temperature data](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/summaries/actualmonthly), which will also clearly show that snow is directly connected to cold. Which anyone with an ounce of knowledge about meteorology already knows. Aside from Antarctica, and Greenland, and high mountains with continual glaciers, snow is always directly connected with cold. It does not snow more when it is warmer, and anyone telling you this is an idiot. It snows more when it is colder. This is exactly why snow happens most often during the cold parts of the winter, and it **always has to be fucking cold or it will not snow**. Of course when challenged they will try to pull a fast one, and start trying to talk about “globally”, and increased precipitation “globally”, at which point you will know they don’t know what the fuck they are talking about. If you buy that pernicious bullshit, then poor Viner is really left in the lurch, since clearly he was expressing how with warmer winter temps, snow was vanishing. Which is actually what happens, a warm winter has much less snow. If their is an increase in precipitation, it will be from rain, not snow. But at this point it gets really complicated, which is exactly why the fucking data should be easy to access, and everybody should be able to simply fucking look at it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3845 "2015-02-23T00:19:26Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > You know what’s insane? The [Met Office Hadley Centre](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadukp/) not having the data presented by time series, including seasonal, annual and monthly graphs. It’s not that they don’t have the data, and it’s not like it’s hard to put it up on the web. Just like the snow data, [they actually have a lot of data](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/t/l/Snow_Survey_of_Great_Britain__1989-90.pdf), but you wouldn’t fucking know it from their web site. Like the issue of snow and temperature. Looking at [2010](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/graphs/HadCET_act_graphEX2010.gif) or [2009](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/graphs/HadCET_act_graphEX2009.gif) clearly shows that the record snow is directly connected with cold. But good luck finding the snow info on that MET site. They actually make it hard to just check the facts. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3846 "2015-02-23T01:00:59Z")
> [@andros](#): > > That’s a shame; it would be really interesting to see if snowfall has in fact decreased in East Anglia, or in the UK as a whole, over the past 15 years. I agree it would be interesting. > [@](#): > > I don’t know. Why do you ask? Because I’m trying to figure out your position. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3847 "2015-02-23T01:01:55Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m just astounded that with all that money and power, the evil fuel companies do such a bad job of it. The few papers about the cooling NH winter trends all seem to be some mystery to most people. And of course they all are about laying blame for the winter weather directly on global warming. > > With all those billions just being handed out, why no concerted effort to point out that the global warming theory is just wrong at this point? Based on the official data alone, it’s obvious. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Because it’s not obvious. Of course it is. What’s so incredibly funny, in this thread, is how when I type out the exact things stated in multiple peer reviewed published papers, by actual climate experts, it’s viewed by the idiots here as completely wrong. Or, in your case, “they know that if they posted your crap, they would be laughed at”, which is ironic in the extreme. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Even those who are being paid to shill for the oil companies know it is not obvious. How the fuck would you know? You can’t understand it, and you think you are very intelligent on these matters. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Even they understand the actual data, so they know that if they posted your crap, they would be laughed at. No, that’s just something you made up, and you’re obviously ignorant in the extreme. That’s what is so funny about it all. Global warming theory isn’t just one thing, like any theory it’s a compilation of knowledge that tries to explain, and predict, the natural world using science. It does not just say “more GHGs makes it warmer”, which is the idiots view of things. Same for the belief that “more warmer means more precipitation herp derp”, something the people basking in a warm winter in the US would point out to you as well. The theory, and the models based on it, predict certain kinds of changes. Because physics. > [@](#): > > August 18, 2014 > “The discussion on the topic until now has been ‘he said, she said’ where the ideas presented have been of individual scientists and have covered the spectrum of all possible opinions. This is the first that a group of leading experts with varying opinions all on the same paper and is the most authoritative consensus on the subject,” said Judah Cohen, a scientist at Atmospheric and Environmental Research Inc. and lead author of the review article, which included scientists from six universities, research institutes and NOAA. [http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060004571](http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060004571) > [@](#): > > While global warming theory is consistent with record warm temperatures and more intense precipitation events, it does not directly explain cold extremes. Coupled models project boreal winter amplification under greenhouse-gas forcing, where the Northern Hemisphere landmasses would warm faster in winter relative to the other seasons [http://epic.awi.de/36132/1/Cohenetal\_NGeo14.pdf](http://epic.awi.de/36132/1/Cohenetal_NGeo14.pdf) > [@](#): > > Traditional radiative GHG theory and coupled climate models forced by increasing GHGs alone cannot account for this seasonal asymmetry > **[Cohenetal\_ERL12.pdf](https://web.mit.edu/jlcohen/www/papers/Cohenetal_ERL12.pdf)** > > 1612.83 KB There it is, and that is why I note it’s obvious, based on the data. Something is wrong with the theory, unless there is something really wrong with all our measurements, which is unlikely. Once more, this does not mean CO2 and other greenhouse gases do not effect the atmosphere. It does not mean they are not greenhouse gases. It does not mean an increase in greenhouse gases will not cause an enhanced greenhouse effect. That isn’t the part of the theory that is wrong. People seem to think if one part of the theory has been shown to be wrong, that all the other parts are wrong. It does not mean that. But if one part of a theory is wrong, and it certainly is looking that way, then the theory isn’t right. It has to be scrapped, or changed, something. But you can not declare confidence in a theory that is wrong about something. It doesn’t work that way. Is Cohen’s theory and his model based on his theory correct? That’s still an open question. If his theory is right, basic global warming theory is wrong. Once more, this does not mean CO2 and other greenhouse gases do not effect the atmosphere. It does not mean they are not greenhouse gases. It does not disprove an enhanced greenhouse effect. That isn’t the part of the theory that is wrong. And, even if CO2 increases are the cause of colder winters, that just makes it even MORE important to do something about the ever increasing levels. And of course, the issue of changing the pH of the oceans. The last thing I want to see is even more goddamn coal being burned worldwide. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3848 "2015-02-23T01:07:16Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > No I do not agree. **Askthepizzaguy** ’s point is that increased global surface temperatures mean more _precipitation_. Whether it’s snow or not depends on the temperature. In a place like Boston where it is often below freezing in February this will mean more snow, Not necessarily, since increased temperatures mean fewer days below freezing. Agreed? > [@](#): > > and so when Boston is the topic of conversation one might phrase this simply as increased temperatures lead to more snow. He seemed to be making a general point. **Askthepizzaguy** , would you care to explain roughly where in the world one can say with confidence that increased temperatures will clearly and obviously lead to more snow? > [@](#): > > That you need this explained, and by instinct merely conflate statements in one 15-year-old news article about weather in England with different, off-hand statements made on a message board about weather in Massachusetts merely indicates that you aren’t interested in understanding the subject Nonsense, if I misunderstood **askthepizzaguy** ’s point, I would like to know it. I went back and checked and his post didn’t say anything about Boston. Nor does it appear to quote anything which was limited to Boston or similar areas. Can you quote the relevant language? TIA ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3849 "2015-02-23T01:37:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Because it’s not obvious. Even those who are being paid to shill for the oil companies know it is not obvious. Even they understand the actual data, so they know that if they posted your crap, they would be laughed at. > > It is only obvious to you. You alone. > > And that is because you are a stupid fucking muppet. [Crazy Harry](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060209170129/muppet/images/1/1b/Crazy_Harry.JPG)? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3850 "2015-02-23T05:43:51Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > . . . Do you still think that anyone in this thread disputes that temperatures have risen over the last 100 years? Then why does **FXMastermind** emphasize every instance of a cold snap, as if it disproves global warming? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3851 "2015-02-23T05:45:56Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Not necessarily, since increased temperatures mean fewer days below freezing. . . . Where? World-wide, over a long period of time? Or just this February, just in Boston? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3852 "2015-02-23T08:41:31Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Then why does **FXMastermind** emphasize every instance of a cold snap, as if it disproves global warming? > [@](#): > > Where? World-wide, over a long period of time? Or just this February, just in Boston? Ummm, first please answer my questions, which I asked first. Do you still think that criticizing the Hockey Stick Graph is equivalent to disputing that temperatures have risen over the last 100 years? Do you still think that anyone in this thread disputes that temperatures have risen over the last 100 years? Once you have answered my questions, I will be happy to answer yours. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3853 "2015-02-23T19:36:36Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Ummm, first please answer my questions, which I asked first. No, you must first answer my questions. Those are the rules. (What rules? Why? Well, they’re every bit as valid as your stupid made-up rules.) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3854 "2015-02-24T03:11:51Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > No, you must first answer my questions. Those are the rules. > > (What rules? Why? Well, they’re every bit as valid as your stupid made-up rules.) No, my rules are reasonable. I asked first, you should answer first. Do you still think that criticizing the Hockey Stick Graph is equivalent to disputing that temperatures have risen over the last 100 years? Do you still think that anyone in this thread disputes that temperatures have risen over the last 100 years? Two very simple questions. Why are you so afraid to answer them? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3855 "2015-02-24T03:26:47Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > No, my rules are reasonable. I asked first, you should answer first. . . . That’s bad warehouse management, as it leads to old materiel being stockpiled for long periods of time, often past expiration date. I asked you a question back in 2009 that you didn’t answer; you must answer that, first, before I am under any obligation to you. Also, your “questions” are highly loaded, and you do not accept answers when they are given. And while we’re on the subject, you’re a rotten cook as well. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3856 "2015-02-24T03:37:28Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > No, my rules are reasonable. I asked first, you should answer first. > > Do you still think that criticizing the Hockey Stick Graph is equivalent to disputing that temperatures have risen over the last 100 years? Jesus, nobody really cares what he ever says, it’s just a fucking game he plays, it’s trolling. Playing that game just rewards a troll. > [@brazil84](#): > > Do you still think that anyone in this thread disputes that temperatures have risen over the last 100 years? If he ever really thought that, he’s a fucking idiot. If he simply refuses to answer, he’s an idiot troll. Not worth it. There is no winning when you get sucked into a trolls game. Ever. > [@brazil84](#): > > Two very simple questions. > > Why are you so afraid to answer them? Because he might be wrong if he actually answers anything. It’s exactly why people avoid answering questions, as well as the psychological issue of “if I have to answer you then that makes you in charge” and we can’t have that. Fuckheads aren’t interested in actually learning anything, they already know it all. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3857 "2015-02-24T03:44:00Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Jesus, nobody really cares what he ever says, it’s just a fucking game he plays, it’s trolling. . . . You’re the local expert on this. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3858 "2015-02-24T03:44:02Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > That’s bad warehouse management, as it leads to old materiel being stockpiled for long periods of time, often past expiration date. > > I asked you a question back in 2009 that you didn’t answer; you must answer that, first, before I am under any obligation to you. Please quote it. > [@](#): > > Also, your “questions” are highly loaded, and you do not accept answers when they are given. More nonsense, the questions I asked you are simple and reasonable. Looks to me like you are evading them because I caught you strawmanning and you prefer to change the subject. Do you still think that criticizing the Hockey Stick Graph is equivalent to disputing that temperatures have risen over the last 100 years? Do you still think that anyone in this thread disputes that temperatures have risen over the last 100 years? P.S. If you think they are loaded, please explain exactly how. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3859 "2015-02-24T03:53:20Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Not necessarily, since increased temperatures mean fewer days below freezing. Of course it does, just as warmer winters means less snow, and more rain, less ice, more rain, which is as basic as science gets. The desperation of somebody trying to sell the public on the idea that warmer winters means more snow is batshit insane. > [@](#): > > For years, climate contrarians have pointed to snowfall and cold weather to question the scientific reality of human-induced climate change. > **[Does Cold Weather Disprove Climate Change?](https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/does-cold-weather-disprove-climate-change)** > > It most certainly does not—but it does change the intensity of the heaviest storms. No, rational people have pointed out that warmers predicted warmer winters, and less snow, which is exactly what global warming theory predicts. The warm winter in Alaska this year has LESS snow, not more. That’s how it works, where it’s cold, it snows. If it’s warm, there is less snow. Why the fuck would anyone try to tell you the opposite? > [@](#): > > Such misinformation obscures the work scientists are doing to figure out just how climate change is affecting weather patterns year-round. No, talking about record cold and snow doesn’t obscure any climate researcher in any way. That’s a ridiculous claim. > [@](#): > > NASA and NOAA plus research centers around the world track the global average temperature, and all conclude that Earth is warming. In fact, the past decade has been found to be the hottest since scientists started recording reliable data in the 1880s. Except that the NH winters, especially February, show a clear cooling trend, especially in areas that effect large populations of people. That’s why the cold and snow matters so much. > [@](#): > > Weather is what’s happening outside the door right now; today a snowstorm or a thunderstorm is approaching. Climate, on the other hand, is the pattern of weather measured over decades. Yes, and the colder NH winters, in very large areas, like China, Siberia, the US, Europe, Scandinavia, even parts of Canada, that’s climate. And that is what people are noticing doesn’t match the IPCC and the constant barrage of scare mongering about warming. To turn around and try and tell people it’s actually getting warmer, and that’s why it’s so cold, and there is so much sea ice, lake ice, river ice, freezing rain and snow, that is insane behavior. The data shows winters are trending colder, it’s not some perception problem, it’s not people being confused when they see the ocean freezing, harbors full of ice, the great lakes at record ice levels, two years in a row. And the cold winters, with record snow, are also part of a trend. It’s not some unusual thing when it happens 5 out of 6 years. The problem isn’t “contrarians”, it’s the goddamn cold. And the ice and snow. And the fucking cold. > [@](#): > > Hotter air around the globe causes more moisture to be held in the air than in prior seasons. When storms occur, this added moisture can fuel heavier precipitation in the form of more intense rain or snow. Except as I have shown, linking to the actual data on official sites, the air isn’t getting hotter in NH winters, it’s getting colder. Hell, February alone is trending so much colder it brings the entire winter mean down, making a cooling winter trend for the entire globe. That’s climate, not weather, you complete fuckheads. We now return you to the regular parade of herp derp trolls and idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3860 "2015-02-24T03:53:54Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Please quote it. Why should I do your research for you? > [@](#): > > More nonsense, the questions I asked you are simple and reasonable. Looks to me like you are evading them because I caught you strawmanning and you prefer to change the subject. . . . No, I am evading because you are a dishonest dipshit, and when, in past, I have attempted to discuss affairs honestly with you, you lied, cheated, misquoted, altered what I said, and conducted yourself without honor. You cannot be reasoned with, and so I am pretty much pissing down your back. You can save everyone a lot of trouble by simply dropping your fraudulent attempt to pose as someone seriously interested in a debate. You’re not, and no one here is deceived. As for whether or not **FXMastermind** accepts that there has been global temperature change, ask him. Why the fuck should you care what I think about what he thinks? ASK HIM! He’s right here. (“Hey, **brazil84** , I demand that you tell me what **iiandyiiii** thinks about spinach salad. Why won’t you answer?”) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=192) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=194)