# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 196
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3901 "2015-02-27T17:29:50Z")
Hell, he only ever posts in said threads. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3902 "2015-02-27T17:44:12Z")
Ahem. Please amend the wording in the above link to “…permafrost is melting _in_ Siberia…” The management regrets the omission of the word “in.” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3903 "2015-02-27T23:15:38Z")
[**FXMastermind** has been identified!](http://time.com/3725994/inhofe-snowball-climate/) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3904 "2015-02-28T20:14:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Inhofe is completely correct, of course: It was very, very cold on Thursday—unseasonably so. And it was also very, very hot in Opa Loca Florida, where the temperature was 87º F (30º C)—awfully sweltering even for that part of the country, at least at this time of year. Presumably, Opa Loca’s unseasonable steam bath is equally compelling proof that climate change is real. [Sen. James Inhofe Throws Snowball, Proves Climate Change a Hoax | TIME](http://time.com/3725994/inhofe-snowball-climate/) Look you ignorant Editor at Large for TIME, (and I mean Jeffrey Kluger), it’s [Opa-locka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opa-locka,_Florida), so when you are trying to make a US Senator look bad (not a hard task), get your facts straight, OK? Seriously. Also, you could have used Miami, and everyone would know where you meant. Of course like Miami, that Thursday in Opa-locka was warm, [just like it was in 1961](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KOPF/2015/2/26/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Opa-locka&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=33055&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999). Of course if you actually knew anything, did any research at all, you would have known that in Miami for Thursday Feb 27 2015, where it was also 87F, the record is 88F, [from 1897](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMIA/2015/2/26/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Miami&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=33010&reqdb.magic=2&reqdb.wmo=99999). Or maybe you did know that, which is why you made up a place in FL to make your point. Who knows? Maybe you avoided using Miami (and providing a link) because [on the 20th Miami was record cold](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMIA/2015/2/20/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Miami&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=33010&reqdb.magic=2&reqdb.wmo=99999)? So was [Key West](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KNQX/2015/2/20/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Key%20West&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=33040&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999), but you can’t report that, it makes it seem like the record cold was extensive, and, well, record cold. But no, you used the good old “Opa Loca’s unseasonable steam bath” as evidence of global warming. To make a point. As you say > [@](#): > > Either he really doesn’t understand that weather isn’t climate, that long-term trends are different from short-term bumps, that what happens at your house or in your town really, truly isn’t what’s happening everywhere else on the planet, or he does know and he’s pretending he doesn’t. But here’s the thing. You don’t understand weather either. Or you wouldn’t say ignorant shit about “Opa Loca’s unseasonable steam bath”, because if you knew the first thing about weather, you would know it is warm like that, in south Florida, all the fucking time in February. That’s the climate there. When it says the average high is 76F, that’s because half the time it’s warmer than that. It doesn’t mean a 10 degree higher day is unusual. Hell, [in 2014 there were ten days at 84F there](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KOPF/2003/2/28/MonthlyHistory.html?req_city=Opa-locka&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=33055&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999). 18 days were above 80. It was a warm February, 2014. In 2015 there were [6 days above 80](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KOPF/2015/2/26/MonthlyHistory.html?req_city=Opa-locka&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=33055&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999) And only two really warm days. It was actually a fucking cold month this year. Miserable. So when it’s 41 in Opa-locka, that’s 21 degrees below average. When it’s 87, that’s 11 above average. Guess which one is unusual? But like with a US Senator, facts aren’t the important thing. The difference is, as a TIME editor, we expect you to be right. Nobody is really surprised by a US Senator being dumb. So don’t type out “awfully sweltering even for that part of the country, at least at this time of year.”, when you don’t know fuck about what you are talking about. Maybe you should have reported on all the cold records being broken? If it was warm records, we know you would have. 215510 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3905 "2015-02-28T21:31:10Z")
[Should we believe NASA, Nike, Ford, all these respectable scientific organizations, etc., or the dumbass with the snowball?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTdpdFUTyqs) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3906 "2015-03-01T04:04:18Z")
> **[First direct observation of carbon dioxide's increasing greenhouse effect at...](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150225132103.htm)** > > Scientists have observed an increase in carbon dioxide's greenhouse effect at Earth's surface for the first time. They measured atmospheric carbon dioxide's increasing capacity to absorb thermal radiation emitted from Earth's surface over an 11-year... First experimental proof of enhanced greenhouse effect! Go science! Using very advanced instruments, and a lot of time, researchers showed, by removing all other sources of infrared … fuck it, in the articles words: > [@](#): > > “Both series showed the same trend: atmospheric CO2 emitted an increasing amount of infrared energy, to the tune of 0.2 Watts per square meter per decade. This increase is about ten percent of the trend from all sources of infrared energy such as clouds and water vapor.” [Video of results](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yq1MFUQ0fI) [Same info at the Berkeley Lab web site](http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2015/02/25/co2-greenhouse-effect-increase/) > [@](#): > > The paper, “Observational Determination of Surface Radiative Forcing by CO2 from 2000 to 2010,” appears Wednesday, Feb. 25, in the advance online publication of the journal Nature. So the enhanced greenhouse theory (basic global warming theory, the CO2 theory, etc) has experimental proof. > [@](#): > > They linked this trend to the 22 parts-per-million increase in atmospheric CO2 between 2000 and 2010. I’m sure there are people who don’t believe an increase in CO2 will cause an enhanced greenhouse effect, and this will probably do little to change their minds, but who cares? This is exactly the sort of science that needs to be done at many locations, all the time. “[Observational Determination of Surface Radiative Forcing by CO2 from 2000 to 2010](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature14240.html)” - link to NATURE I love Observational Determination ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3907 "2015-03-01T04:23:46Z")
"Observational Determination of NH Land Surface Temperature change by season from 2000 to 2010” [Winter](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/2/2000-2010) - .18C a decade [Spring](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/5/2000-2010) +.11C a decade [Summer](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/8/2000-2010) + .21C a decade [Fall](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/11/2000-2010) +.62C a decade [NH cold season](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=1106&year1=2000&year2=2010&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) + .04C a decade [NH warm season](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=1106&year1=2000&year2=2010&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) + .29C a decade Science! NH land cold season trend 2000-2014 - .06C a decade NH land warm season trend 2000-2014 +.25C a decade Wait, what? [2000-2010 Winter trend](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/2/2000-2010) - .18C a decade [2000-2014 Winter trend](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/2/2000-2014) - .31C a decade [GISS map image](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=2000&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) Wait, no, too short a time period to declare a trend. Cherry picking. The data isn’t good. Plus, so what? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3908 "2015-03-01T14:31:52Z")
“[‘[W]armer means more snow’](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167676&postcount=3895) [is never going to be correct](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167709&postcount=3896)”, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3909 "2015-03-01T14:34:58Z")
Please copy the above as needed whenever **FX** bumps the thread. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3910 "2015-03-01T19:54:19Z")
"Observational Determination of NH and SH Land Surface Temperature anomaly by season and hemisphere from 2005 to 2014” using the [NCDC global temperature analysis](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land_ocean/12/12/2005-2014) [Winter](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/2/2005-2014) - .36C a decade [Spring](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/5/2005-2014) +.11C a decade [Summer](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/8/2005-2014) + .08C a decade [Fall](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/11/2005-2014) +.09C a decade [NH cold season](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=1106&year1=2005&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) -.20C a decade [NH warm season](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=1106&year1=2005&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) + .09C a decade Science! NH land annual mean 2005-2014 - .05C a decade SH land annual mean 2005-2014 + .06C a decade Global land annual trend 2005-2014 - .02C a decade Global ocean annual trend 2005-2014 +.06C per decade Global land + ocean annual trend 2005-2014 +.04C per decade Author has no affiliations with anyone, much less anyone willing to pay a fucking cent for any research or effort put forth. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3911 "2015-03-01T19:56:19Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > “[‘[W]armer means more snow’](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167676&postcount=3895) [is never going to be correct](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167709&postcount=3896)”, huh? You are so confused, the effort to educate you, if that were even an option, is far greater than any reward. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3912 "2015-03-01T20:03:45Z")
> [@Subterraneanus](#): > > **FX** , you’re a fucking idiot. Repeated for truth. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3913 "2015-03-02T17:08:12Z")
Wikipedia search for “anthropogenic climate change” redirects to “[global warming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming)”. Only mention of term in article is “Most countries are parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC),[18] whose ultimate objective is to prevent [dangerous anthropogenic climate change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoiding_dangerous_climate_change).[19]” Follows link, finds the term “anthropogenic climate change” does not appear in article. Neither does “dangerous anthropogenic climate change”. Thanks Wikipedia. for never defining anthropogenic climate change". Hey AMS, can you please define the term? Thanks [real science web page](http://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Anthropogenic_climate_change). ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3914 "2015-03-02T18:29:00Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Repeated for truth. I still say his posts make a lot more sense if you think of him not as an industry shill, just like apologists of the past who denied things like the health problems caused by leaded gasoline and cigarettes, for two examples. [ul] [li]Cherry picking data.[/li][li]Ignoring rebuttals.[/li][li]Plowing forward with so much distortion and mishmashed argument that it’s hard to find a clear debate point.[/li][li]Outright dissembling on top of the obfuscation. [/li][/ul] That’s the work of a shill, not an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3915 "2015-03-02T18:44:42Z")
“not”, **Knorf**? Point is that it is manifestly unimpressive, and counterproductive to his (presumed) cause. I doubt anybody on the fence would be/has been suaded by said solid wall of bullshit, sophistry, obtusfucation, and hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3916 "2015-03-02T19:30:45Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You are so confused, the effort to educate you, if that were even an option, is far greater than any reward. Said that into a mirror, did you? > [@FXMastermind](#): > > In other words, the air has to be very cold for it to happen. Warmer air does not cause more snow, something any basic meteorology text will learn ya, but fuckheads never read books, or they wouldn’t be fuckheads. It will not matter how much you repeat it, saying “warmer means more snow” is never going to be correct. Because physics. “Very cold” temperatures (i.e.: [below -10°F)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167676&postcount=3895) hold very little moisture, therefore have very little potential for snow. Warmer temperatures (i.e.: [around freezing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167709&postcount=3896)) hold much more moisture: “big honking snow flakes and lots of them.” “[‘[W]armer means more snow’](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167676&postcount=3895) [is never going to be correct](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167709&postcount=3896)”, huh? It already _is_, you fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3917 "2015-03-02T19:35:13Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > “not”, **Knorf**? > > Point is that it is manifestly unimpressive, and counterproductive to his (presumed) cause. I doubt anybody on the fence would be/has been suaded by said solid wall of bullshit, sophistry, obtusfucation, and hypocrisy. Well, for sure it’s a losing battle. Reality is not on his side. But the goal is not to persuade, exactly, but rather to put doubt in people’s minds. Just as the apologists for leaded gas and tobacco did, and evolution deniers do today. ETA: I observed a typo in my previous post: “I still say his posts make a lot more sense if you think of him [del]not[/del] as an industry shill…” I originally had “not an idiot” in that line and deleted all but the “not,” inadvertently. **FxMastermind** is in the pocket of the oil/coal industry, and knowingly holds a losing hand; no other option makes as much sense to explain his posting behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3918 "2015-03-02T19:47:42Z")
Why has the northern East Coast been getting so much snow this winter? You think the source is simploy the cold air? Then where’d all the moisture come from? [The Subtropical Jet Stream, which carries warm, moist air from the Gulf of Mexico eastward has deviated far to the north instead.](http://www.bostonglobe.com/2015/02/10/why-blame-jet-stream-arctic-air-for-repeat-snowstorms/gXwQsk3HKZ57t3PEoKScLI/story.html) Cold, dry air + warm, moist air = heavy snow = “warmer means more snow”. Q.E.D. Now please stop trying to argue your way out of that corner by digging. You’ll only end up with a hole big enough for **Bo** to throw things into. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3919 "2015-03-02T20:44:47Z")
[![](https://64.media.tumblr.com/49c0bd4968762e19841c8fbabf95d318/tumblr_n0hmpsbGij1ts825vo1_1280.jpg) ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/49c0bd4968762e19841c8fbabf95d318/tumblr_n0hmpsbGij1ts825vo1_1280.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3920 "2015-03-02T20:51:47Z")
I’m sorry, did somebody claim that “global warming” means “winter will cease to exist”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=195) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=197)