# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 198
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3941 "2015-03-04T14:41:37Z")
You left off three characters, one clear on the opposite side of the keyboard, and inverted the meaning which you supposedly intended! By your own logic, your argument has been dead for the past 47 posts. After you shot your argument in the foot: > [@FXMastermind](#): > > But the coastal areas, they get a fuck ton of snow, meters at a time or more. Because it’s cold there. Using the south pole to claim “when it’s cold it snows less”, which is the idiot claim on the table, is stupid. > [@me](#): > > The coastal areas of the Antarctic continent are characterized by somewhat milder temperatures and much higher precipitation rates, mainly occurring as snow. Snows more on the warmer coast and less in the colder interior? Congratulations, you just lost what little credibility you had! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3942 "2015-03-04T15:20:29Z")
Let’s review, shall we? 1: Cold, dry interior = less snow = “when it’s cold it snows less”. 2: Somewhat milder coast = “a fuck ton of snow” = more snow = “warmer means more snow”. 1 + 2 = 3: **FXMastermind** unintentionally agreed with those who have been arguing against him and has been digging a quarry in a desperate attempt at saving face. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3943 "2015-03-04T19:08:04Z")
[I just came across this](http://humanevents.com/2015/03/04/climate-scientists-accuse-democrat-of-mccarthyism/?utm_source=hedaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl) and thought this is where it should appear: Curious to see what the participants think if it. I think that regardless of one’s position on climate change, that this congressman’s actions are troubling, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3944 "2015-03-04T19:27:34Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > [I just came across this](http://humanevents.com/2015/03/04/climate-scientists-accuse-democrat-of-mccarthyism/?utm_source=hedaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl) and thought this is where it should appear: > Curious to see what the participants think if it. I think that regardless of one’s position on climate change, that this congressman’s actions are troubling, to say the least. > [@](#): > > “Absolutely, this letter is intimidation,” said Curry, who has testified many times before Congress in her 33-year career, including last year in front of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. > > “Whenever you testify, you are required to submit a financial disclosure,” Curry told [Watchdog.org](http://Watchdog.org). “All of us have complied with this. Now, in some cases, decades after the testimony we are asked to submit all sorts of additional financial information, including travel information.” It shows how desperate and idiotic politicians can be. If global temperatures, and especially US temperatures, were actually rising according to global warming theory, it would be a different story. In fact, that would be the story, rather than all the idiotic other crap flung daily by people who we like to think should know better. Like how actual data is ignored, and idiots fling poo rather than lifting a finger to do any research, they just regurgitate idiot things from idiot blogs, or public figures who have no shame. For example, in regards to looking at the US data, as well as the global trends, winters for most of the US are trending colder. Depending on the region, the trends can be quite long. Atlanta shows [a cooling trend for Jan from 1986](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/09/02/tavg/1/01/1986-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000), but none for December. This is the asymmetric change mentioned early on. Even so the winter trend for Atlanta (and Georgia) [is cooling, for a thirty year trend period](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/09/02/tavg/3/02/1986-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000). [Atlanta shows a cooling trend for Feb from 1982](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1982&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) [March from 2000](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=03&year1=2000&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) [The trend for Dec-Mar from 1990-2014](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/09/02/tavg/4/03/1986-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1986&lastbaseyear=2014) is cooling, not warming. Alarmists when faced with this sort of **fact based argument** , go into some sort of mind lock, and then go on as if nothing happened. (actually, they get angry, and there is a scientific basis for this aberrant behavior) What’s really odd is that [Atlanta shows cooling for August](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=08&year1=2000&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob), which is a mystery to everyone, but the theory is clouds. Yes, the problem is well know, and much research is going on about it, not that you would know it from the usual sources of global warming alarmist. 217271 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3945 "2015-03-04T21:13:47Z")
[![](https://www.madcoversite.com/melv_mole_1_27.jpg) ](https://www.madcoversite.com/melv_mole_1_27.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3946 "2015-03-04T21:19:46Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > . . . For example, in regards to looking at the US data, as well as the global trends, winters for most of the US are trending colder. Depending on the region, the trends can be quite long. . . . Global…but depending on the region. What part of “global” do you not comprehend? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3947 "2015-03-04T23:06:11Z")
I know you can’t realize why I mock you, which just makes it funnier. > [@Trinopus](#): > > Global…but depending on the region. What part of “global” do you not comprehend? That doesn’t make any sense, except to the author, who probably thinks that is the greatest counter argument to facts ever. Because he’s some kind of idiot. Meanwhile, back in the real world, where facts and data are pretty easy to access these days, anyone can look for themselves, you don’t have to believe a single thing I type. (of course most of my super excellent verbiage is based on the linked data, but even so, since I link to sources, no need to take my word for it) [Like how Feb 2015 is the coldest measured ever for Buffalo NY](http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/blog/morning_roundup/2015/03/february-2015-sets-record-as-coldest-month-in.html) It also broke [a bunch more records for cold.](http://www.wgrz.com/picture-gallery/weather/2015/02/25/february-2015-by-the-numbers/24026593/) Most days below zero, most days with the high temp below zero, most days with daily high below average low temp, most days with snow (all of them), lowest daily high temp. Ever. Ever recorded in Buffalo. It wasn’t just cold (11.1F mean for the month), it was record cold. Now that isn’t what global warming theory predicts. Not at all, in fact, **it can’t predict this**. You can listen to people talk about how warmer means more snow, but global warming does not predict the all time low temperatures to be broken. For an entire month. [Much less the bigger picture](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2014&base1=1985&base2=2000&radius=250&pol=rob). But the warmist tries to say “that means nothing, cause it warmer globally”, which is patent nonsense, as the data shows. They just ignore this, because to see it would make their head explode. Or even worse, they might have to think. “It was cold in one city hurr durr you r stupids” No, it was record cold for a month. The coldest ever. “hurr durr it was warmer globally” No, but lets expand the data, to make you seem like the fuckhead you actually are. Because the facts are the only thing that matters, right? Buffalo climate trend, [20 year trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/30/USH00301012/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1995&lastbaseyear=2014) State of New York [trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/30/00/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000) [CONUS trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/110/00/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000) [North America trend cooling](http://nar.ucar.edu/2013/ncar/effects-natural-variability-projections-changing-climate-study-nuance) [Northern Hemisphere land trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land/1/2/1995-2015) [Global land trend cooling](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) And of course, the global land and sea shows cooling as well. So when somebody points out how Buffalo was record cold for February, and your response is “oh yeah but globally hurr durr”, I will fucking mock you. With science. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3948 "2015-03-04T23:08:45Z")
Bitch! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3949 "2015-03-04T23:44:35Z")
```auto [Skeptical Science](http://skepticalscience.com/argument.php) Climate Myth vs What the Science Says 5 "It's cooling" The last decade 2000-2009 was the hottest on record. 6 "Models are unreliable" Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean. 7 "Temp record is unreliable" The warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured by thermometers and satellites. 16 "Hockey stick is broken" Recent studies agree that recent global temperatures are unprecedented in the last 1000 years. 23 "It's freaking cold!" A local cold day has nothing to do with the long-term trend of increasing global temperatures. ``` “hurr durr science!” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3950 "2015-03-04T23:48:40Z")
Missed one: ```auto [Skeptical Science](http://skepticalscience.com/argument.php) Climate Myth vs What the Science Says 61 "Scientists can't even predict weather" Weather and climate are different; climate predictions do not need weather detail. ``` All together now: “[[W]armer](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167676&postcount=3895) [means](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18167709&postcount=3896) [more](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18175440&postcount=3921) [snow](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18176583&postcount=3924)”. [Even admitted as much.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18180154&postcount=3940) ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3951 "2015-03-05T00:31:32Z")
2010 68F 2011 67F 2012 67F 2013 66F 2014 66F 2015 65F Clearly the February trend for the last five years shows a downward trend. Therefore the average temperature of my condo shows that global warming is a myth! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3952 "2015-03-05T00:44:53Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > There is vast difference between making something up, just typing shit out on the page, and using evidence, facts and sources to support your claim. It became obvious to me in 2010 that something was wrong seriously with the official story. After five years, you can be sure I’ve read and listened to almost every possible form of idiocy when it comes to internet experts on global warming. I’m also familiar with the actual science, and some of the actual scientists/climatologists in the world today. You do realize that these statements lump you in with twoofers, yes? Just replace “climate” and “global warming” with “9/11 was an inside job”. Your entire argument is pretty much on the same level as well. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3953 "2015-03-05T01:07:03Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > You do realize … There is vast difference between making something up, just typing shit out on the page, and using evidence, facts and sources to support your claim. Anyone who simply follows the links and looks at the data knows it’s actually real data. It’s very hard to argue when the data doesn’t support you, which you have made quite obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3954 "2015-03-05T02:34:15Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > There is vast difference between making something up, just typing shit out on the page, and using evidence, facts and sources to support your claim. What you do is overwhelmingly the former, not the latter, which I’m sure you’re well aware of being the dissembling industry shill that you are. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3955 "2015-03-05T02:40:57Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > ```auto > > [Skeptical Science](http://skepticalscience.com/argument.php) > > Climate Myth vs What the Science Says > 5 "It's cooling" The last decade 2000-2009 was the hottest on record. > > ``` > > “hurr durr science!” You’ve reached a GIGObuffoon level of science at this point. > [@](#): > > When looking for evidence of global warming, there are many different indicators that we should look for. Whilst it’s natural to start with air temperatures, a more thorough examination should be as inclusive as possible; snow cover, ice melt, air temperatures over land and sea, even the sea temperatures themselves. > **[Global cooling - Is global warming still happening?](https://skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm)** > > \Empirical measurements of the Earth's heat content show the planet is still accumulating heat and global warming is still happening. Surface temperatures can show short-term cooling when heat is exchanged between the atmosphere and the ocean,... Your own source shows that decreasing snow cover is a key indicator of global warming. You are arguing warmer means more snow. Which is idiotic. [![](https://skepticalscience.com/graphics/Warming_Indicators_500.jpg) ](https://skepticalscience.com/graphics/Warming_Indicators_500.jpg) > [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Even admitted as much.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18180154&postcount=3940) Twist all you want, it’s just you swinging in the breeze. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3956 "2015-03-05T02:43:19Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > **FXMastermind** unintentionally agreed with those who have been arguing against him and has been digging a quarry in a desperate attempt at saving face. Like I keep telling you, making shit up isn’t going to help anyone, especially not your cause. Extreme conditions like the interior of Antarctica are not the same as NH snow cover, which is why I make fun of warmers. They are actually not very smart. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3957 "2015-03-05T02:43:40Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > There is vast difference between making something up, just typing shit out on the page, and using evidence, facts and sources to support your claim. > > Anyone who simply follows the links and looks at the data knows it’s actually real data. It’s very hard to argue when the data doesn’t support you, which you have made quite obvious. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > Your entire argument is pretty much on the same level as well. Thanks for the demonstration. **FXMastermind** : climate twoofer. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3958 "2015-03-05T03:00:00Z")
OMG it’s priceless. You posted a link to skepticalscience, which includes the decreasing snow cover as key evidence of global warming. Yet you are arguing global warming will result in greater snowfall. It doesn’t get much better than that. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3959 "2015-03-05T03:02:44Z")
Meanwhile, back in the real world, you don’t have to believe a single thing I type. [Like how Feb 2015 is the coldest measured ever for Buffalo NY](http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/blog/morning_roundup/2015/03/february-2015-sets-record-as-coldest-month-in.html) It also broke [a bunch more records for cold.](http://www.wgrz.com/picture-gallery/weather/2015/02/25/february-2015-by-the-numbers/24026593/) Most days below zero, most days with the high temp below zero, most days with daily high below average low temp, most days with snow (all of them), lowest daily high temp. Ever. Ever recorded in Buffalo. It wasn’t just cold (11.1F mean for the month), it was record cold. Now that isn’t what global warming theory predicts. Not at all, in fact, **it can’t predict this**. You can listen to people talk about how warmer means more snow, but global warming does not predict the all time low temperatures to be broken. For an entire month. [Much less the bigger picture](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2014&base1=1985&base2=2000&radius=250&pol=rob). Buffalo climate trend, [20 year trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/30/USH00301012/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1995&lastbaseyear=2014) State of New York [trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/30/00/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000) [CONUS trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/110/00/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000) [North America trend cooling](http://nar.ucar.edu/2013/ncar/effects-natural-variability-projections-changing-climate-study-nuance) [Northern Hemisphere land trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land/1/2/1995-2015) [Global land trend cooling](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) And of course, the global land and sea shows cooling as well. It must suck when mother nature doesn’t do what you so very much want. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3960 "2015-03-05T03:06:45Z")
Snow cover is not the same thing as snowfall, surely? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=197) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=199)