# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 199
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3961 "2015-03-05T03:21:04Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Meanwhile, back in the real world, you don’t have to believe a single thing I type. > [Like how Feb 2015 is the coldest measured ever for Buffalo NY](http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/blog/morning_roundup/2015/03/february-2015-sets-record-as-coldest-month-in.html) It also broke [a bunch more records for cold.](http://www.wgrz.com/picture-gallery/weather/2015/02/25/february-2015-by-the-numbers/24026593/) Most days below zero, most days with the high temp below zero, most days with daily high below average low temp, most days with snow (all of them), lowest daily high temp. Ever. Ever recorded in Buffalo. It wasn’t just cold (11.1F mean for the month), it was record cold. > > Now that isn’t what global warming theory predicts. Not at all, in fact, **it can’t predict this**. You can listen to people talk about how warmer means more snow, but global warming does not predict the all time low temperatures to be broken. For an entire month. [Much less the bigger picture](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2014&base1=1985&base2=2000&radius=250&pol=rob). > > Buffalo climate trend, [20 year trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/30/USH00301012/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1995&lastbaseyear=2014) > > State of New York [trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/30/00/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000) > > [CONUS trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/110/00/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000) > > [North America trend cooling](http://nar.ucar.edu/2013/ncar/effects-natural-variability-projections-changing-climate-study-nuance) > > [Northern Hemisphere land trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land/1/2/1995-2015) > > [Global land trend cooling](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) > > And of course, the global land and sea shows cooling as well. > > It must suck when mother nature doesn’t do what you so very much want. \ Whatever you say, climate twoofer. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3962 "2015-03-05T21:02:52Z")
While I won the bet for this winter in the northeast, and north central, mother nature showed how hard is actually is to predict everything. Now it looks like I am going to lose for March. (I predicted warm based on the twenty yer trend, [despite the last two years showing drastic cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/121/00/tavg/1/03/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1995&lastbaseyear=2014)) I should have stuck to my guns [using the Tmin](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/121/00/tmin/1/03/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1995&lastbaseyear=2014) as predictor. But fuck me, it could still get unusually warm and bring the average up. The last three highs were followed by [a one two three warm again pattern.](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/123/00/tmin/1/03/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1995&lastbaseyear=2014) I still predict a warm March for the south, based on trends, I still think [the West will turn cool and wet](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/124/00/tavg/1/03/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1995&lastbaseyear=2014), but it’s just what [the trend might lead one to guess at](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/124/00/pcp/1/03/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1995&lastbaseyear=2014). Hey, at least now in a month somebody will be ale to harp on how wrong I was about something. Unless I’m right, in which case it won’t be mentioned. :rolleyes: > [@FXMastermind](#): > > It shows how desperate and idiotic politicians can be. If global temperatures, and especially US temperatures, were actually rising according to global warming theory, it would be a different story. In fact, that would be the story, rather than all the idiotic other crap flung daily by people who we like to think should know better. > > 217271 217974 ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3963 "2015-03-05T21:07:11Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Snow cover is not the same thing as snowfall, surely? It depends, but usually snowfall leads to snow cover. It certainly isn’t the other way around. Lack of snowfall never leads to more snow cover. Heavy snow also usually leads to longer snow cover, but not always. Heavy rain after a snowfall can wipe out the snow cover. If precipitation increased, and temperatures increased, more rain and less snow will lead to far less snow cover. It’s why decreasing snow cover is a key indicator of a warming climate. skepticalscience blog is not wrong about that. And looking at the GLOBAL temps and GLOBAL snow cover data clearly shows warmer is directly connected to LESS snow cover annually. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3964 "2015-03-05T21:15:04Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > What you do is overwhelmingly the former, If you actually thought that was the case, instead of your trolling, you would counter with data, facts and evidence, anything really, instead of just saying something you made up. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3965 "2015-03-05T23:39:57Z")
Others already have, which you’ve ignored or hand waved away and otherwise persisted with your mendacious blather. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3966 "2015-03-06T00:14:16Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Others already have, which you’ve ignored or hand waved away and otherwise persisted with your mendacious blather. Like a twoofer. A _climate_ twoofer. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3967 "2015-03-06T01:19:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m fairly sure that Al Gore, the inventor of global warming, specifically said “It will never ever snow anywhere ever again beginning right now.” So you are sort of [an idiot of some kind](http://bit.ly/18mWDuP). > [@Smapti](#): > > At least, that’s what the Republican response to global warming has lead me to believe. Oh, so it’s about politics. The absolute curse of actual science. Religion and politics. Shame, because aside from the politics and religion, climate and weather are fascinating subjects to study. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3968 "2015-03-06T02:09:36Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Others already have, No, which makes you a liar, who is trolling. > [@Knorf](#): > > And look there’s a pretty picture! BUT LOOK! It shows cooling all over the place! \>cherry-picking\< \>froth\< \>anti-science rant\< \>pass out\< You are an idiot. But please, don’t stop posting, you serve as an example. Of what not to aspire to. Meanwhile, back in the real world, researchers document and argue for a well known effect, which actually really does exist, and changes the climate. > [@](#): > > What they found is that cloud-bottom heights have risen at airports where there was the most urban growth. The pattern is especially clear at at night and early morning, when fog is most common. > > “At night and early morning, that’s when clouds are closest to the ground,” explained Williams. “That’s when fog clouds deposit water directly on plants. This effect has been weakened.” > > “The cloud water inputs are really important” along the entire West Coast, concurred Todd Dawson, a biologist at the University of California, Berkeley, who studies plants and their environments, and is not a coauthor on the GRL paper. The effect that Williams reports, he said, could potentially harm groves of the legendary central California coast redwoods – among the tallest trees in the world – in zones where human settlements encroach on the forests. > > “Redwood forests get 35 percent of all their water in the form of fog drip,” Dawson explained, referring to the adaptations redwoods and many less conspicuous coastal California plants have for obtaining water from foggy air. “If the fog declines, you not only remove water inputs and cooling effects, but the warming means more evaporation. You are really changing the local micro-climate.” [More urban heat; less summer fog, on California coast - GeoSpace - AGU Blogosphere](http://blogs.agu.org/geospace/2015/03/05/urban-heat-less-summer-fog-california-coast/) Yes, people really are changing the world, there’s just so many of us, and so much concrete and deforestation. > [@](#): > > Another surprising discovery was what Williams and his colleagues saw on the undeveloped airfields on islands off the coast of southern California: Cloud height lowered over the last 60 years. > > The temperature inversion layer in the atmosphere that holds the moist marine air close to the ground (the same inversion that can hold smog near the ground) actually has been getting stronger, making it harder to break up the clouds, Williams said. It’s the opposite trend to what was seen in the urban areas, No surprise to anyone who has been paying attention. Large urban areas fuck up the natural order of weather and climate. You really were surprised by this? > [@](#): > > The temperature inversion layer in the atmosphere that holds the moist marine air close to the ground (the same inversion that can hold smog near the ground) actually has been getting stronger, making it harder to break up the clouds, Williams said. It’s the opposite trend to what was seen in the urban areas,which suggests another long-term climate trend, like global warming, is causing the change, he added. “In the absence of urbanization we might see an increase in fog,” he concluded. > **[More urban heat; less summer fog, on California coast](https://blogs.agu.org/geospace/2015/03/05/urban-heat-less-summer-fog-california-coast/)** > > The West Coast's summertime fog is being driven away from the ground by urban heat, according to a study of 67 years of urban growth and cloud heights. What? That’s all you got out of your study? Local heating effects change the weather, and you think it’s global warming causing the change? I’m sick of this global warming. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3969 "2015-03-06T02:49:42Z")
Let’s re-run something from the past, shall we? > [@Kimstu](#): > > Oh, if by “describe the mechanism” you mean “give a complete technical explanation of it right here and now”, I certainly can’t do that, and I wouldn’t expect you or **watchwolf49** or anybody else to be able to do so either. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Why not? It’s not rocket science, it’s physics. Plus, if I get any of it wrong, somebody will be sure to correct it. > > Increasing CO2 in the earth’s atmosphere, being a well mixed gas, persists and increases in all parts of the atmosphere, and since it absorbs and heats and re-radiates some of the IF red not absorbed by any other greenhouse gas, causes a positive imbalance of the radiation budget, leading to warming. The source of the increase in CO2 is both from the warming that naturally is occurring, the oceans release more CO2 than they absorb as they warm, as well as from fossil fuels and cement making. It is also thought that due to deforestation there is a further decrease in the natural sinks, leading to more CO2 staying in the atmosphere each year. > > That is the basics. There is of course an increase in other greenhouse gases, some of them artificial compounds with a very long life, and a huge amount of greenhouse effect, which also destroy O3, leading to both warming and cooling effects in the upper stratosphere. NO2 from combustion and agriculture, methane from natural gas leaks, black carbon from incomplete combustion, particulates and aerosols, like SO2 and human caused lower troposphere ozone, changes to hydrology from dams and irrigation and pumping ground water, NO2 and H2O in the lower stratosphere from aircraft, and contrails, as well as vast destruction of tropical and boreal forests for pulp and timber, a huge phosphate imbalance from mining for agriculture use, a huge nitrogen increase from making fertilizers, changes to albedo from paving and rooftops, destruction of reefs and wetlands, and on and on and so forth. > > It’s not really that hard if you have studied even a little. > > The expected feedbacks from the small amount of CO2 forcing calculated are the real issue, as well as ocean acidification, which could be the biggest problem, but that is far from certain. Once you get into the possible feedbacks, which are usually the realm of fear mongering and disaster scenarios, it get a lot less scientific. > > Hows that for starters? The more technical matters involving changes to the absorption/emission spectrum of CO2 at high altitudes, as well as the issue of high atmospheric CO2 reducing the infrared forcing from solar changes, as well as changes in atmospheric chemistry on the upper stratosphere, cloud top heating and drastic changes to the hydrological cycle, ocean meridian overturning, and especially the … ah but fuck it, we still have idiots who think water vapor only has a positive feedback effect, and any increase in WV means more heating. How stupid are all these experts to not factor in snow? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3970 "2015-03-06T02:56:00Z")
\ Whatever you say, climate twoofer. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3971 "2015-03-06T03:01:20Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > No, which makes you a liar, who is trolling. Actually, not. What it does is make me someone who is willing to call a spade a spade: I _couldn’t care less_ whether you respond or not. What I care about most is helping reinforce to casual thread passers-by that you’re a fucking industry shill who is knowingly sowing obfuscation and confusion. Anyone who reads the thread with a little care can see that you’ve been solidly rebutted dozens of times. And that you don’t actually hold a position; you’re just trying to baffle with bullshit, to plant an unjustified seed of doubt where little or none exists in the actual science. In short, to do what you can to keep the environmentally exploitative profit mongering going in the oil/coal industry you represent. My guess is you post similar blather in numerous other message boards as well. You really are no different at all from the lead gasoline and cigarette shills of past decades. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3972 "2015-03-06T03:38:11Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Anyone who reads the thread with a little care can see that you’ve been solidly rebutted dozens of times. And that you don’t actually hold a position OMG you idiot troll, seriously? This is why I think you are actually trolling, nobody with a brain would even think for one moment, one fucking microsecond, that I “don’t actually hold a position”. I never shut the fuck up about it, I even started a GD thread about it, it’s fucking in over 500 posts in this topic alone. I just posted it once again. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > For example, in regards to looking at the US data, as well as the global trends, winters for most of the US are trending colder. Depending on the region, the trends can be quite long. Yet your argument is “you don’t actually hold a position”, and at the same time “you’ve been solidly rebutted dozens of times”, which makes no sense at all. You are either actually a real idiot, or are trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3973 "2015-03-06T03:41:43Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Actually, not. > > What it does is make me someone who is willing to call a spade a spade: I _couldn’t care less_ whether you respond or not. What I care about most is helping reinforce to casual thread passers-by that you’re a fucking industry shill who is knowingly sowing obfuscation and confusion. > > Anyone who reads the thread with a little care can see that you’ve been solidly rebutted dozens of times. And that you don’t actually hold a position; you’re just trying to baffle with bullshit, to plant an unjustified seed of doubt where little or none exists in the actual science. In short, to do what you can to keep the environmentally exploitative profit mongering going in the oil/coal industry you represent. My guess is you post similar blather in numerous other message boards as well. > > You really are no different at all from the lead gasoline and cigarette shills of past decades. > [@Is global warming falsifiable?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-falsifiable/687786/514): > > Probably true. A[ul] > [/ul]mong your evasions, misrepresentations of your opponents’ positions, and general refusal to post anything without being snide, (and, usually, wrong) your ability to actually convey irony is seriously lacking. > > Another failed attempt, given the way that you have been utter ly ineffective in making an actual point, relying on simplistic caricatures to identify what you claim are examples of “falsifiability” while ignoring or dismissing those posts that disprove your claims. > In fact, while you might possibly believe yourself to have a point, your reversals and dances around the topic are beginning to lead me to believe that your “point” has more to do with keeping this thread active than actually engaging in honest debate. > > Silly strawman arguments further demonstrate that you are doing nothing but playing games. No one has made any claim to “believe” either story and your implication that posters in this thread would make up their minds to believe one or the other without other outside references is nothing more than you creating an imaginary scenario for you to mock while pretending that posters had done what you claimed. The climate twoofer is still playing games. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3974 "2015-03-06T03:46:18Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You are either actually a real idiot, or are trolling. Says the idiot troll. ---
**Author:** ![Poto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@Poto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poto)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3975 "2015-03-06T03:57:54Z")
I wonder, what did Cecil ever say about GW? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3976 "2015-03-06T03:58:01Z")
> [@Is global warming falsifiable?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-falsifiable/687786/514): > > > [@Is global warming falsifiable?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-falsifiable/687786/514): > > > > Silly strawman arguments further demonstrate that you are doing nothing but playing games. I forgot all about that idiot claim. It was in response to my using irony to make a point. Fuckheads don’t understand irony, or they pretend not to, because it makes a point they “don’t like”, which is hilarious. > [@Is global warming falsifiable?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-falsifiable/687786/503): > > I am going to have to work on my irony. > > “the expression of one’s meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.” > > No, but it’s effective at getting the point across. (that was another attempt at irony) When I type out “No, but it’s effective at getting the point across”, I don’t actually mean that, since nothing is going to get through somebodies head if they have already made up their mind. It’s almost sarcasm, but it’s actually **an ironic statement**. Most people have no problem figuring this out, but warmist fuckheads will actually pretend not to get it, and then try and claim “you are saying something that contradicts what you said before hurr durr”. Yes you dumbass, it’s called irony. > [@Is global warming falsifiable?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-falsifiable/687786/503): > > Here’s an article. > [Arctic ice cap is in a ‘death spiral’, claims leading academic](http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/513544/Arctic-ice-cap-death-spiral) > > How do you know if that is true? It’s in some British tabloid. Right? It’s sensationalism, to get headlines. > > Here is another one. > [Climate change PROVED to be ‘nothing but a lie’, claims top meteorologist](http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/526191/Climate-change-is-a-lie-global-warming-not-real-claims-weather-channel-founder) > > In the same tabloid, same concept. > > What is true? Deciding in advance, so that you accept one story, but question the other, isn’t scientific, or fighting ignorance. The point is obvious, but fuckheads can’t grasp obvious. While the statement was a general observation about people and belief systems, and how they prevent learning, it was taken as literal, and we see a fuckhead reaction. > [@Is global warming falsifiable?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-global-warming-falsifiable/687786/514): > > In fact, while you might possibly believe yourself to have a point, your reversals and dances around the topic It’s what fuckheads do. They can’t argue, so they act like it’s all somebodies else’s “fault”, and they get personal. It’s pathetic actually. But attempting to educate a fuckhead is a lost cause. You know in your heart this is true. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3977 "2015-03-06T03:59:59Z")
> [@Poto](#): > > I wonder, what did Cecil ever say about GW? [2006 article](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2647/is-global-warming-for-real) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3978 "2015-03-06T04:02:02Z")
And thanks for that edit, I was getting ready to ask you what you meant. > [@](#): > > I get a lot of letters like yours, Jon, basically asking me, a weekly alternative newspaper columnist, to resolve one of the great controversies of our age. Hey, somebody’s gotta do it. However, given an 800-word limit, you’ll excuse my taking a few shortcuts. So here we go: Are greenhouse-gas emissions from our fuel-guzzling cars, power plants, etc, a significant contributor to potentially catastrophic climate change? Answer: Beats me. But you know what? It doesn’t matter even if they are. > > We’ll start with Essenhigh. The professor argued in a 2001 article in Chemical Innovation that average global temperatures were rising but that, contrary to wide popular and scientific opinion, human activity wasn’t the principal cause. Rather, the fluctuations we’re now seeing are part of a natural cycle that’s been going on for eons. Essenhigh’s reasoning appealed largely to common sense: Carbon dioxide, the most widely discussed greenhouse gas, is part of earth’s vast store of carbon (about 150 billion tons), which is continually being cycled through the oceans, the atmosphere, and vegetation. The human contribution to atmospheric carbon in the form of CO2 is small, less than 5 percent of the total carbon reservoir. Ergo, humans aren’t causing global warming. I omit a lot of ancillary discussion, but that’s the nub. > **[Is global warming for real?](https://www.straightdope.com/21343770/is-global-warming-for-real)** ---
**Author:** ![Poto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@Poto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poto)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3979 "2015-03-06T04:09:32Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Meanwhile, back in the real world, you don’t have to believe a single thing I type. > [Like how Feb 2015 is the coldest measured ever for Buffalo NY](http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/blog/morning_roundup/2015/03/february-2015-sets-record-as-coldest-month-in.html) It also broke [a bunch more records for cold.](http://www.wgrz.com/picture-gallery/weather/2015/02/25/february-2015-by-the-numbers/24026593/) Most days below zero, most days with the high temp below zero, most days with daily high below average low temp, most days with snow (all of them), lowest daily high temp. Ever. Ever recorded in Buffalo. It wasn’t just cold (11.1F mean for the month), it was record cold. > > Now that isn’t what global warming theory predicts. Not at all, in fact, **it can’t predict this**. You can listen to people talk about how warmer means more snow, but global warming does not predict the all time low temperatures to be broken. For an entire month. [Much less the bigger picture](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2014&base1=1985&base2=2000&radius=250&pol=rob). > > Buffalo climate trend, [20 year trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/30/USH00301012/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1995&lastbaseyear=2014) > > State of New York [trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/30/00/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000) > > [CONUS trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/110/00/tavg/1/02/1995-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000) > > [North America trend cooling](http://nar.ucar.edu/2013/ncar/effects-natural-variability-projections-changing-climate-study-nuance) > > [Northern Hemisphere land trend cooling](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land/1/2/1995-2015) > > [Global land trend cooling](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) > > And of course, the global land and sea shows cooling as well. > > It must suck when mother nature doesn’t do what you so very much want. 2013-2014: [http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=anoms&mean\_gen=0112&year1=2013&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=rob](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=anoms&mean_gen=0112&year1=2013&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=rob) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/3980 "2015-03-06T04:21:21Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I forgot all about that idiot claim. It was in response to my using irony to make a point. Fuckheads don’t understand irony, or they pretend not to, because it makes a point they “don’t like”, which is hilarious. When I type out “No, but it’s effective at getting the point across”, I don’t actually mean that, since nothing is going to get through somebodies head if they have already made up their mind. It’s almost sarcasm, but it’s actually **an ironic statement**. Most people have no problem figuring this out, but warmist fuckheads will actually pretend not to get it, and then try and claim “you are saying something that contradicts what you said before hurr durr”. Yes you dumbass, it’s called irony. > The point is obvious, but fuckheads can’t grasp obvious. While the statement was a general observation about people and belief systems, and how they prevent learning, it was taken as literal, and we see a fuckhead reaction. It’s what fuckheads do. They can’t argue, so they act like it’s all somebodies else’s “fault”, and they get personal. > > It’s pathetic actually. But attempting to educate a fuckhead is a lost cause. You know in your heart this is true. \ Whatever you say, climate twoofer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=198) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=200)