# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/381 "2013-09-10T17:51:58Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Reported. You know, if you hadn’t of quoted and responded to that wall of shit, I would have just ignored it. But yeah, what a dick move. Now the Mods will be all over this thread and the shitholes will get it shut down. Which is, of course, what they want more than anything. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/382 "2013-09-10T17:57:18Z")
You are even an ignorant on what is the Gish Gallop. > **[Gish Gallop](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop)** > > The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. It's essentially a conveyor belt-fed version of... > [@](#): > > The Gish Gallop, named after creationist Duane Gish, is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood in real time. The term was coined by Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education. Sam Harris describes the technique as “starting 10 fires in 10 minutes.” The last posts I made never did go but to one cite, and your Gish gallop was beyond what even Duane Gish would had dared to do. Gish was a creationist but at least he had the courtesy of finding specific \*\*contradictory \*\*information that scientists had reported, you are really dumb for thinking that the gallop you posted has any contradictory information for me (indeed, you pointed to several sources demanding that I deal with them is a gallop, like if I was not aware of them before) What is clear is that you still have the stupid idea that I would not welcome the information you posted because after all I’m supposed to be a pseudo scientist. As my latest example showed you are as deluded as many as I encountered before. The reality is that I can find even more evidence that supports me in the sites you pointed to; as demonstrated, those sites you put on your gallop do agree that there is evidence for the water vapor feedback showing that indeed you and your groupie lied to us. As even the ones dealing with pseudoscience like Rationalwiki puts it, in their article on a denialist movie, Skeptical Science is a valid source. It was cited more than 5 times, among most of the cites from other groups and scientific organizations that you also cited so helpfully in your misguided idea that I do not check them also. > **[The Great Global Warming Swindle](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle)** > > The Great Global Warming Swindle (2007) is the Expelled of anthropogenic global warming (AGW), i.e. the go-to film for denialist propagandists. It rolls most of the popular points refuted a thousand times into a sixty minute-plus "documentary", so,... The pseudoscience is in you FX, all along. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/383 "2013-09-10T18:10:13Z")
tl:dr ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/384 "2013-09-10T18:12:21Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > The only reason that I can see for any contrarian point of view on this matter is that there is a very vocal and powerful minority of people who believe that any mitigation of this process will negatively impact them monetarily. Yeah, well you would dead wrong. > [@Gagundathar](#): > > This is quite analogous to the way in which a vocal and relatively powerful minority of Christians oppose the scientific theory of biological evolution. No, and that is stupid reasoning. It’s lazy, and it avoids you having to think. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/385 "2013-09-10T20:22:11Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > This SDMB poster, Joel, boasted that he would show how his superior cite was so good that he would point at the huge flaw in the Skeptical Science comments. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15441070&postcount=119](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15441070&postcount=119) > > There was nothing left but the feathers after more knowledgeable posters showed him how wrong he was. > > [Matt Ridley - Wired for Lukewarm Catastrophe](http://skepticalscience.com/news.php?p=2&t=53&&n=1586) Ass = Handed To. That was amusing. I bet **FXMasturbatingfuriously** missed a couple of strokes, reading that. Or probably not, since he’s too stupid to realize he’s an utter fool. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/386 "2013-09-10T20:26:56Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > Your contributions to this topic are just scintillating! What intellect!! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/387 "2013-09-10T22:24:09Z")
Things that Gagundathar made up > [@Gagundathar](#): > > Global Warming / Climate Change is a fabrication based on flawed studies. > [@Gagundathar](#): > > it appears to some that it contradicts their religious beliefs. > [@Gagundathar](#): > > a general laziness of intellect I’m pretty sure you didn’t actually read anything before you said the above. Nobody in this thread ever said anything like that, except you. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/388 "2013-09-10T22:25:55Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Please quote me in this thread where I said anything at all about a flawed study. Of course you cannot do that because I have said nothing in this thread about flawed studies. Nobody has said anything about flawed studies. It’s a troll post. And he got what he wanted so desperately Attention ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/389 "2013-09-10T22:27:55Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You are even an ignorant Look, I know now you suck at English. But please never stop being you. That shit is damn funny. I know you can’t tell, because of the language problem. But it’s fucking hilarious when a non native English speaker fucks up his insults. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/390 "2013-09-10T22:31:53Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Yeah, “from the Outside”. Man, people is so funny. > > I can hardly wait for the next GigoGallop > > I’m also expecting an update to the SS glossary database. Are you sure there isn’t an SkS entry explaining (in easy/moderate/difficult levels) why they don’t have a definition for AGW? Maybe it explains why asking for one makes you a denier? Or worse, a fake sceptic? BTW, what the fuck is a fake scpetic? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/391 "2013-09-10T23:47:29Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Look, I know now you suck at English. But please never stop being you. That shit is damn funny. > > I know you can’t tell, because of the language problem. But it’s fucking hilarious when a non native English speaker fucks up his insults. You do not know what an ignorant is? Your first problem is to think that that is an insult. So yeah, I do prefer to have trouble with language rather than being always wrong in a subject you claim to have knowledge. What it gets me going is the certainty that you will never show your dazzling intellect in journals of peer reviewed science. Such a waste. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/392 "2013-09-10T23:51:30Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > BTW, what the fuck is a fake scpetic? How to be a Fake Skeptic > **[How to be a Fake Skeptic](https://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/how-to-be-a-fake-skeptic/)** > > It’s easy to do, just follow these steps: 1: Make false claims, then draw an outlandish conclusion. 2: Show a graph — it doesn’t have to support your claims. 3: Give a link —… > [@](#): > > It’s easy to do, just follow these steps: > 1: Make false claims, then draw an outlandish conclusion. > 2: Show a graph — it doesn’t have to support your claims. > 3: Give a link — it doesn’t have to support your claims. > > And that’s the way you do it … > That’s the way Steve Goddard does it. Here is the entirety of his post “Coldest Arctic Start To Autumn Since 1996″: > [@](#): > > Now, what would have predicted this faster warming in winter than summer? Could it be … global warming theory? > > So where, you wonder, did Goddard get his idea? Maybe he’s referring to the fact that there was an exceptionally cold couple of days in the Arctic at the start of Autumn. How cold? Is he really that excited about “cold temperatures not seen since 1996“? A few cold days — not even that cold — and he declares “obliterating global warming theory”? > > Can he really be that deluded? Yes. That’s one of the secrets to being a fake skeptic. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/393 "2013-09-10T23:55:01Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m going to call it a Gigo Gallop from now on. I was talking about _your post_ #357, dumbass. How _do_ you manage to remember to breathe without prompting, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/394 "2013-09-11T08:01:11Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Nobody has said anything about flawed studies. It’s a troll post. And he got what he wanted so desperately Well I think he wanted to make one of the most powerful arguments his side of the debate has: If you don’t agree with the warmists, then you are a bad person. It’s not a logical argument; it doesn’t have merit; it’s based on pure emotion; but it still has a certain amount of power. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/395 "2013-09-11T14:08:54Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well I think he wanted to make one of the most powerful arguments his side of the debate has: If you don’t agree with the warmists, then you are a bad person. Which is such bullshit. Sometimes. However, the comparison with past scientific frauds, deceptions, and outright venality concerning things that effect health and safety, where there certainly is a concerted effort to obscure, undermine and to fling shit in regards to the eternal conflict between safety and health, I agree that some people are adamant in their stand due to vested interest. Like nuclear safety issues, smoking, oil pipelines and clear cutting. Damn building and bombing the living fuck out of Cambodia. I’m quite certain that he past (and present) is littered with examples of people with a vested interest doing all kinds of evil fucking shit to keep from having to change a single thing, and so they could keep making a lot of fucking money. It’s the way of the world. It’s just not why I am a skeptic. I actually support most of the beliefs of the warmists. They are not bad ideals. I even go farther in my actions than most people I know spouting the party line of fear and doom. I just don’t believe in their doom. tl;dr = It’s complicated > [@brazil84](#): > > It’s not a logical argument; it doesn’t have merit; it’s based on pure emotion; but it still has a certain amount of power. See above. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/396 "2013-09-11T14:13:18Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > BTW, what the fuck is a fake sceptic? Just another label to smear your enemies with. It’s so much easier than engaging in a debate. Or explaining how you don’t agree with the evidence, or why certain scientists can’t be trusted. Or how you know more than anyone else. It’s like calling everyone who isn’t part of your religion/cult a name, to identify that they are not part of the one true skeptics society. Hence they should be burned. At the stake. After being tortured. Until they recant. Then you kill them. In the old days it would be the same as “heretic”. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/397 "2013-09-11T14:20:04Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [How to be a Fake Skeptic | Open Mind](http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/how-to-be-a-fake-skeptic/) There is a real irony to that blog entry. Tamino was quite rightly complaining that the arctic shows a long term warming trend, and one year does not disprove “global warming”. Which is why this year is so ironic. It actually is the coldest ever in the arctic this summer. > **[Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut](https://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php)** > > Danmarks Meteorologiske Instituts hjemmeside for marin information But, that still doesn’t disprove anything. It just means it’s fuckass cold this year. Also, it’s funny that Tamino is arguing over which computer generated estimate of arctic temperatures one should use to look at trends. there still is no temperature network, no sensors scattered around the arctic, so we can actually know what the temperatures are. This is true for land and ocean measurements. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/398 "2013-09-11T14:29:46Z")
It’s not just my humble self that realized SS is a pseudo-scientific blog. > [@Leaked IPCC report: 90% confidence in AGW is now 95% -- and sea level will rise!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-ipcc-report-90-confidence-in-agw-is-now-95-and-sea-level-will-rise/667002/309): > > Reading these Climate Change threads is a little bit amusing and a little bit frustrating as they always turn into the Gigobuster show. Amusing because it always happens, frustrating because Gigo always does the same thing, posts links to Skeptical Science and accuses anyone who dares question anything of being a denier. Oh a religous denier, which is rather funny considering the guy who founded Skeptical Science is a believer and specifically founded Sks because: Nothing cuts a believer off at the knees like pointing out their Bible is full of serious flaws. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/399 "2013-09-11T15:08:17Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Reported. For what? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/400 "2013-09-11T15:13:51Z")
The inability for certain members of this non-debate to actually define their various and inchoate positions on this topic is quite notable. None of the points that the sane folks who are posting here have been addressed, namely that anthropogenic climate change is a real phenomenon and that there are fairly well known mechanisms for the causation of such. It is amusing to see two of the least competent posters on this subject spend time posting text that fails entirely to either refute the commonly held scientific principles employed to make the determination about anthropogenic climate change or to present any viable contrary hypothesis. Instead, they rely upon schoolyard antics and projection of their own failing upon others to attempt to make some sort of point. What that point is, as noted above, is difficult to determine and one my even suggest that the posters themselves have no idea of what the point is either. Finally, R/C helicopters are a great hobby. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=21)