# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 202
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4021 "2015-03-14T17:22:34Z")
Feb 2012 > [@](#): > > Drought may be the new norm for the UK, with drastic measures including growing genetically modified crops likely to be considered as part of the solution, the environment secretary has said. > **[Drought may be new norm for UK, says environment secretary](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/21/drought-new-norm-for-uk)** > > Caroline Spelman says genetically modified drought-resistant crops will be considered as a way of ensuring food security Aug 2014 > [@](#): > > More than a quarter of people say UK’s winter floods strengthened their belief in human-induced climate change, a survey has found. > **[UK’s winter floods strengthen belief humans causing climate change – poll](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/aug/27/uk-winter-floods-climate-change)** > > Britons say they are more convinced climate is changing and that humans are the main cause 2012 > [@](#): > > She said the most important counter-drought measure for the whole country was to capture the rain and store it, and pledged that changes to the planning system would make it easier to build reservoirs. > > Farmers were changing some of their cropping patterns this year to cope with the expected drier conditions. But this would not stop food prices rising, Kendall warned. “As sure as night follows day, if it doesn’t rain, food is going to cost more money.” 2014 > [@](#): > > Experts at the Met Office have said there is “no definitive answer” on the contribution of climate change to the winter storms, but that studies suggest Atlantic storms and extreme rainfall are becoming more intense, and that the increase is consistent with a warming world. If there is little rain, global warming. If there is too much rain, global warming. Just what would not be global warming? Also, extreme irony in that the time period in question shows no warming. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4022 "2015-03-14T17:39:33Z")
You know who else said global warming? Mickey Mouse. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4023 "2015-03-14T18:02:01Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > There is no doubt snow is increasing, like a lot, in areas that quite possibly could alter the winter patterns, though certainly the great shifts of the ocean circulation patterns also could be the reason. Are you referring to snowfall, snow pack, or snow cover? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4024 "2015-03-14T18:24:29Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Are you referring to snowfall, snow pack, or snow cover? It’s usually described as “snow cover”, but this includes snow depth, snow pack, snow extent, and snow fall. You know, the cold white stuff that global warming causes much more of. > [@](#): > > Cohen’s forecasting research and methods, which has been supported by the National Science Foundation, are heavily focused on the behavior of Siberian snow cover in October. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/11/20/judah-cohens-winter-outlook-a-downer-for-east-coast-winter-weather-lovers](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/11/20/judah-cohens-winter-outlook-a-downer-for-east-coast-winter-weather-lovers) > [@](#): > > The increase in snow cover extent this October in Eurasia was fast and furious. That’s a compelling signal, says pioneering seasonal forecaster Judah Cohen, that the eastern U.S. faces a cold and snowy winter./ [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/12/02/why-prosperous-autumn-snows-in-eurasia-may-portend-a-brutal-east-coast-winter/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/12/02/why-prosperous-autumn-snows-in-eurasia-may-portend-a-brutal-east-coast-winter/) [SIBERIAN SNOW COVER MAY BRING A BRUTALLY COLD 2014-15 WINTER](http://firsthandweather.com/374/siberian-snow-cover-may-bring-a-brutally-cold-2014-15-winter/) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4025 "2015-03-15T19:16:13Z")
> [@andros](#): > > So…when the ice cover is gone in the Arctic, those things will–maybe–occur. Exactly. Maybe, it might happen, it could be the case, it’s possible, so we should take decisive and massive action to prevent it now. Except of course in the past their were also extreme winters, record cold and a lot of snow, when the ice was extensive, and then global cooling was the reason for very cold winters. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4026 "2015-03-20T11:42:34Z")
[http://www.studentsdivest.org/](http://www.studentsdivest.org/) There are no words to describe this. Laughter and tears perhaps, and a deep sense of “what the fuck?” is all I can summon up. I couldn’t keep reading after the first three beliefs > [@](#): > > What we believe > > 1. Climate change is a real and serious threat to current and future generations. Impacts are already being felt in the U.S. and worldwide, and those who have contributed the least to this change are often the most affected by it. > > 2. The path to ecological sustainability requires a moral and material transformation in our relationships to land, labor and one another. Transitioning away from fossil fuels means transitioning towards justice. > > 3. The business model of the fossil fuel industry is inherently flawed. It is a pillar holding up a broken economy that extracts life rather than supporting it. Beliefs. It’s all about belief. And using fossil fuels to get the word out. > [@](#): > > We’ve petitioned. We’ve met with our leaders. We’ve demonstrated our power through rallies and marches. This spring, we are taking the next step to ask our administrators, “Whose Side Are You On?” > > Will they side with the fossil fuel industry that drives climate change and injustice, or with the students who envision a better world, and have the courage to build it? There is no middle ground. Hey, try taking a step towards living with out fuels. Show us even one fucking household you wish to live in, that doesn’t burn something to stay warm. I am totally behind living with out fossil fuels. The age old problem is that doing so is like living with out food or shelter. And with out the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4027 "2015-03-20T13:27:24Z")
Dude, I am so glad you bumped this thread, I was just thinking about doing it! It turns out you are right, there is winter cooling. Check it out: [February cooling!](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/map-blended-mntp/201502.gif) Boom! It’s right there! Look at that blue! Fucking A, I am so sorry I doubted you. I mean, when you were laying down that science, I thought there is no way that he can be right and the thousands of climate scientists world wide at places like NASA, NOAA, the National Academy of Sciences, and all the science groups from countries around the world could be wrong. Dude’s got to be a paid shill for Exxon or some shit. But I am eating my words now! Fucking A, it is just too fucking precious for words! Now all I wonder about is the schools. The fucking schools man! By my count there are more than 40 universities in this country alone that are giving degrees related to “climate science.” :rolleyes: Not a single one is actually teaching the truth, they all hold to this warmist belief system. Fucking 40 universities, can you motherfucking believe it?!? I just can’t decide, are they all just credulous and incompetent? Is it a nefarious plot to get taxpayer money (I am laughing that it hasn’t worked yet and they have been selling the same shit for over a decade!)? Maybe it is as you say; a religion complete with mythical forces and a requirement that you leave your rational thought at the door… I just don’t know, but I do know we have to shut those fuckers down! Any way you slice it they are a part of the problem. Any dumbfuck in Boston can tell you that global warming is a fucking joke. Did you see the fucking blue in that link I had? [Boom](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/map-blended-mntp/201502.gif), there it is again! But I digress, because what is important is you are part of the solution! When you lay down that science its like it all gets crystal clear. You should run for motherfucking office dude, I would vote for you. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4028 "2015-03-20T13:42:35Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Dude, I am so glad you bumped this thread, I was just thinking about doing it! It turns out you are right, there is winter cooling. Check it out: > > [February cooling!](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/map-blended-mntp/201502.gif) You are confusing a one month anomaly with the trends. [The twenty year land trend globally shows cooling for Feb](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob), as does [the land/ocean trend](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1995&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob), this is no secret. It’s right there in the data. [The global NH winter trend shows up as well](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1995&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob). Note that because this last winter was actually warm, globally, and especially in the NH, the trend for both Feb and winter is not as steep as it was last year. This doesn’t matter in regards to the cooling trend for large areas of the NH, most obvious using [even a 26 year trend for February](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1990&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob). Global warming theory predicts the areas showing colder trends should be warming the fastest. As I have said, it doesn’t mean CO2 isn’t effecting the climate, or that we are not seeing climate change. It just means the theory is wrong. Or incomplete. Or needs adjusting. In any case, you need to pay more for fuel, and stop killing the planet. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4029 "2015-03-20T13:50:21Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Any dumbfuck in Boston can tell you that global warming is a fucking joke. To be fair, it’s really starting to look like the current climate change is lopsided, with [the East getting the shit end of the stick in winter,](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=2006&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) and the West basking in warmth. But since climate changes, [this won’t always be the case](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1960&year2=1975&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob). Of course [poor Australia seems to get the worst of it all year round](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1998&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob). ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4030 "2015-03-21T10:50:33Z")
Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean has fallen to the [lowest recorded level for the winter season](http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31976749): > [@](#): > > The maximum this year was 14.5 million sq km, said the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado in Boulder. > > This is the lowest since 1979, when satellite records began. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4031 "2015-03-21T15:01:16Z")
And yet the data [shows more sea ice](http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=03&fd=17&fy=2006&sm=03&sd=17&sy=2015) “now” than ten years ago. “Now” of course a meaningless term if this post is read later on. A more scientific way to put it would be, “on March 17 2015 the sat data shows more ice by far for the Atlantic side of the arctic, but less on the Pacific”. The ice looks much thicker near the pole, which would make sense with the epic cold this year. But of course the media isn’t going to tell you this. Good news doesn’t gather rapt attention, create fear and tension, and it would really make them look like idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4032 "2015-03-21T16:58:20Z")
This, > [@FXMastermind](#): > > And yet the data [shows more sea ice](http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=03&fd=17&fy=2006&sm=03&sd=17&sy=2015) “now” than ten years ago. Is not the same as this: > [@](#): > > A more scientific way to put it would be, “on March 17 2015 the sat data shows more ice by far for the Atlantic side of the arctic, but less on the Pacific”. Taken together, there is less Arctic ice now that at any time in at least the last 36 years. That is how averages work. But you would rather cherry-pick the areas that increased, and ignore the areas that decreased. That is the only way to keep the cognitive dissonance from setting your hair on fire. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4033 "2015-03-21T17:13:22Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > there is less Arctic ice now that at any time in at least the last 36 years. Looking at the extent as well as mass data, it’s not significant either way. Less extent, [but more mass](http://psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/BPIOMASIceVolumeAnomalyCurrentV2.1.png). Certainly the predicted [arctic death spiral did not happen](http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=03&fd=17&fy=2006&sm=03&sd=17&sy=2015). But no worries, somebody will find a way to make everything frightening. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4034 "2015-03-27T15:37:24Z")
[Banging your head against a brick wall](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=746728&page=3) [feels good when you stop…](http://embraceurdestiny.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/banging_your_head_against_a_brick_wall_sticker-p217367976180528591z8j38_400.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4035 "2015-03-27T15:43:57Z")
[A view of the snow and ice still hanging around](http://1.usa.gov/1MbMxj8). (red is snow or ice) Great Lakes shipping is being effected by the record ice on the lakes still. Record cold winters months were recorded globally for February. From [Columbia](http://colombiareports.co/welcome-to-the-tropics-bogota-covered-in-24-inches-of-snow/) to [Oslo](http://www.newsinenglish.no/2015/03/26/snow-paralyzes-oslo-and-beyond/), Saudi Arabia to the [Great Lakes](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/business/deep-freeze-on-great-lakes-halts-cargo-shipments.html?_r=0), winter still causing extreme problems. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4036 "2015-03-27T15:47:59Z")
[Earth Records Its Warmest Winter on Record](http://www.weather.com/science/environment/news/warmest-winter-on-record-earth) > [@](#): > > The winter of 2014-15 was the warmest on record worldwide, according to the state of the climate report released by the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) on Wednesday. > > NOAA says that December through February – for meteorological record-keeping purposes, winter is defined as those three months in the Northern Hemisphere – was 1.42 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20th-century average for all land and ocean areas. This tops the previous warmest winter of 2007 by 0.05 degrees Fahrenheit. Global temperature records are available for the period 1880-2015. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4037 "2015-03-27T17:34:15Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Earth Records Its Warmest Winter on Record](http://www.weather.com/science/environment/news/warmest-winter-on-record-earth) And Mother Nature, as always, [makes a mockery of the official story](http://wivb.com/2015/02/28/records-smashed-as-february-2015-comes-to-an-end/). “It’s the warmest winter ever, except where it was [the coldest winter ever](http://www.wgrz.com/story/weather/2015/03/01/the-coldest-month-in-buffalo-history/24237109/).” It’s almost like somebody has [a sense of ironic humor](http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/weather/its-official-february-was-the-coldest-month-on-record-in-buffalo-20150228). I mean, it’s not even close to the previous record cold month. It’s so much colder it is mind boggling. Does this mean there is no climate change? Of course not. The coldest winter month ever recorded actually shows climate change. Same for record lake ice, river ice, bays frozen, sea ice in Long Island and Cape Cod, it is certainly evidence of a change. Satellite data shows it, even surface stations show the change. [Anyone can look at it](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-biHCrEDoBjU/VRGr3BDSGdI/AAAAAAAAAq8/OYkLmL9j2_I/s1600/ohio%2Bvalley%2Bwinter%2Bfrom%2B1986.png). (it’s not the just the northeast) [Goddamn global warming](http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/cold-weather-doesn-t-mean-climate-change-isn-t-happening-bob-mcdonald-1.2975491). It sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4038 "2015-03-27T18:05:00Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > “It’s the warmest winter ever, except where it was [the coldest winter ever](http://www.wgrz.com/story/weather/2015/03/01/the-coldest-month-in-buffalo-history/24237109/).” Welcome to global averages that confirm global warming, which is driving global climate change, producing local extremes on both ends of the spectrum. But it is global warming, because science says so. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4039 "2015-03-27T18:33:12Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Welcome to global averages that confirm global warming, which is driving global climate change, producing local extremes on both ends of the spectrum. But it is global warming, because science says so. It’s fascinating. No matter how many times he is told this simple fact, he still posts the same complete rubbish. He is either very, very stupid and completely unable to grasp the differences between short term/long term and local/global, or he’s simply trolling with this garbage. Those are the only two explanations. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4040 "2015-03-27T19:57:44Z")
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