# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 203
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4041 "2015-03-27T20:35:47Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It’s fascinating. No matter how many times he is told this simple fact, he still posts the same complete rubbish. > > He is either very, very stupid and completely unable to grasp the differences between short term/long term and local/global, or he’s simply trolling with this garbage. Those are the only two explanations. I am still convinced that he is a paid shill for oil and gas companies. It explains his moronic stance on climate change while exhibiting near normal intelligence on other topics. It also explains his complete inability to discuss nuclear power with any kind of rationality. The guy probably makes a couple grand a year just to post shit to muddy the waters and he has turned it into some kind of performance art. Kind of like Poe’s law in the extreme or something. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4042 "2015-03-27T21:16:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > But it is global warming, because science says so. Exactly. It doesn’t matter what happens. Record cold, record ice, record snowfall, it becomes global warming. No matter what happens, it has to be global warming. Because science says so. Reality isn’t the metric, it’s what science says that matters. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4043 "2015-03-27T21:34:16Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Exactly. It doesn’t matter what happens. Record cold, record ice, record snowfall, it becomes global warming. No matter what happens, it has to be global warming. That’s not true. It is global warming because global temperature averages are rising. If global temperature averages weren’t rising, it would not be global warming. Everything else, record cold, record ice, record snowfall, all the local weather extremes neither prove nor disprove global warming; they are just secondary effects. It is all about the global averages. That is the only thing that really matters; that is the relevant bit of science. If you want to disprove global warming, find data that shows that global temperature averages are not going up over the long term (60-90 years). All your other dancing around with local records and regional cherry-picking (like your obsession with the NH) are meaningless. Address the rising global averages. If you don’t we will know you as a troll not really interested in debate. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4044 "2015-03-27T21:38:59Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It is global warming because global temperature averages are rising. If global temperature averages weren’t rising, it would not be global warming. You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4045 "2015-03-27T21:47:38Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. Then it will be trivial for you to prove me wrong. Show the data that proves global temperature averages are not rising over the last 60-90 years. Put up or shut up. And that goes for your little brazilian toady as well. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4046 "2015-03-27T22:29:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Then it will be trivial for you to prove me wrong. Show the data that proves global temperature averages are not rising over the last 60-90 years. Anybody want to lay odds any data presented will be a record low from a particular date (or limited time frame like a week or month) from a particular city? Or possibly a few examples of such. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4047 "2015-03-27T23:48:49Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That’s not true. It is global warming because global temperature averages are rising. If global temperature averages weren’t rising, it would not be global warming. . . . Don’t forget, he has re-defined the term to mean something other than that, so this perfectly reasonable syllogism fails in his tortured little mind. To him, “Global Warming” doesn’t mean “The Globe is Getting Warmer.” In his private dictionary, it means “Industry is emitting gases that cause the globe to get warmer.” The fact of temperature increase doesn’t address what he (Humpty Dumpty) makes the words mean. Of course, this also means that monetary inflation isn’t happening, since that can be re-defined to mean “Bankers are removing money from the money supply” and sea levels aren’t changing, since “Sea Level” is re-defined as “The average level of the seas’ surface at this point in time.” It’s easy to win arguments when you re-write the dictionary to suit yourself. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4048 "2015-03-28T01:20:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It is global warming because global temperature averages are rising. No, global warming is man made warming, from changes we have made to the world, the primary issue is CO2 increase, from burning fuels, but also cement making, gas flaring, agriculture, deforestation, and of course soot. Mankind has made actual changes to the natural world. These changes, which are theorized to cause warming, are called global warming, AGW, it’s the theory of global warming. Just natural warming is not called global warming. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If global temperature averages weren’t rising, it would not be global warming. No, even if we see a prolonged pause in warming, it doesn’t mean global warming has stopped, because we are still causing an increase in greenhouse gases, as well as changing the balance of what the world used to be. And of course, the warming has not stopped, as I have showed many times now. What has happened, is the NH winters have cooled. So much it affects the entire annual mean, but it certainly has become obvious that it is happening. It shows up using every data set. It really shows up using the lower troposphere data. February is the most obvious month, but January, and now December and even March are showing the trend. The global data doesn’t show it as much as the NH land only data, because the oceans and SH land all show warming still. Got that? NH winter land shows cooling, every other time and place warming. That’s the data. It is even evident using the global land and ocean data. [D-J-F global land and ocean](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LqooOdvyE00/VRXv4AgftQI/AAAAAAAAArs/eZVLErh816s/s1600/global%2Bfeb.png) cooling All because of this, [NH land cooling](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qrsFSZfr4NA/VRXv3Xwj3wI/AAAAAAAAArk/DJg9N0_dnDc/s1600/1995-2015%2Bland%2Bwinter%2BNH%2Btrend.png) [GISS February global land ocean mean](http://woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1995.08/every:12) Every other season [shows continued warming](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EK1p3Q6Rb5U/VRXv5T9YxPI/AAAAAAAAAr8/z2DsE6A693o/s1600/summer.png). There has been [no pause in warming](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jF4d7x4ge5I/VRXv3RT-24I/AAAAAAAAArg/-G4O73rlkA4/s1600/global%2Baugust.png), except for the NH land temperatures. [NH ocean temps still show warming](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-r3HM-nlZ52w/VRXv4VBXR8I/AAAAAAAAArw/KX44NIAaJUA/s1600/nh%2Bwinter%2Bocean.png). I don’t think any fossil fuel conspiracies even know this. I certainly haven’t seen anybody else talking about this. Why is it happening? And why do both sides resist the very idea so hard? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4049 "2015-03-28T04:13:59Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > No, global warming is man made warming, from changes we have made to the world . . . Impressive, ain’t it, folks? He can do this all day long. He also shines his shoes with shinola. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4050 "2015-03-28T04:44:10Z")
> [@](#): > > An increase in the near surface temperature of the Earth. Global warming has occurred in the distant past as the result of natural influences, **but the term is most often used to refer to the warming predicted to occur as a result of increased emissions of greenhouse gases**. [Glossary](http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Glossary/index.php?mode=alpha&seg=f&segend=h) > [@](#): > > Global Warming is the increase of Earth’s average surface temperature due to effect of greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels or from deforestation, which trap heat that would otherwise escape from Earth. This is a type of greenhouse effect. [Essay about Solar Energy](http://www.nmsea.org/Curriculum/Primer/Global_Warming/fossil_fuels_and_global_warming.htm) > [@](#): > > : the recent increase in the world’s temperature that is believed to be caused by the increase of certain gases (such as carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere [Global warming Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/global%20warming) > [@](#): > > Global warming refers to the recent and ongoing rise in global average temperature near Earth’s surface. It is caused mostly by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. [http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/basics/](http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/basics/) If the source of an increase in the earth’s energy budget is from the sun, or from any other natural cause, it isn’t called global warming. Of course a woo woo trick is to change the meaning of a term, so that it becomes meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4051 "2015-03-28T05:24:19Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > . . . Of course a woo woo trick is to change the meaning of a term, so that it becomes meaningless. Magnificent, isn’t it? Shinola wouldn’t melt in his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4052 "2015-03-28T05:24:25Z")
_Joshua : A strange game. The only winning move is not to play._ (Thinks for a moment) Damn! ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4053 "2015-03-28T12:31:52Z")
MUDD: I lied. NORMAN: What? KIRK: He lied. Everything Harry tells you is a lie. Remember that. Everything Harry tells you is a lie. MUDD: Listen to this carefully, Norman. I am lying. NORMAN: You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie. You tell the truth. But you cannot for. Illogical! Illogical! Please explain. (Smoke comes out of Norman’s head.) NORMAN: You are human. Only humans can explain their behaviour. Please explain. KIRK: I am not programmed to respond in that area. Oops wrong thread… ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4054 "2015-03-28T13:47:09Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > But I digress, because what is important is you are part of the solution! The psychotic nature of what people “believe” when it comes to climate change/AGW almost rivals religion for batshit crazy talk. For example, here are two opinions, one based on studies, the other on belief. They are from different worlds. **Scientists now know why global warming has slowed down and it’s not good news for us** > [@](#): > > Despite the continued increase of greenhouse gas emissions from us, rise of global surface temperatures has been easing since 1998. > > Two new studies published this week examine the origins of the“pause,” and, surprisingly, suggest that it may persist for years even in our notably warming world. [MSN](http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/scientists-now-know-why-global-warming-has-slowed-down-and-it%E2%80%99s-not-good-news-for-us/ar-BBhZW8r?ocid=iehp) **It’s the Trend, Stupid** > [@](#): > > The news that last year was so hot is certainly no surprise. The simple reason is that for the last 15 or 20 years, let’s say since the turn of the millenium just to be specific — you know, since back when we expected global warming to continue without slowing down — **global warming has continued and shows no sign of slowing down**. [It’s the Trend, Stupid | Open Mind](https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/its-the-trend-stupid-3/) You don’t have to even leave the Dope forums, the exact same rabid nutcases stalk the forums, preaching their religion, full of ignorance and fury. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4055 "2015-03-30T18:59:21Z")
"In the interest of disclosure, not that (I) really give a fuck what anyone thinks, but still, several members of my family run solar energy businesses. Which I fully support. Exxon and BP and the rest of the extreme fuckholes of the Universe, that actually fuck with people who want to be free of them, who make record profits, while fucking over the planet, in so many ways, well (they) can suck the herpes infected cock of Satan. Yeah, I said it. Fuck you to anyone who profits while not giving a single shit about what it does to the rest of the world. Die and rot in hell you motherfuckers." - [source](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17161186&postcount=2051) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4056 "2015-03-30T19:29:08Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > "In the interest of disclosure, not that (I) really give a fuck what anyone thinks, but still, several members of my family run solar energy businesses. Which I fully support. > > Exxon and BP and the rest of the extreme fuckholes of the Universe, that actually fuck with people who want to be free of them, who make record profits, while fucking over the planet, in so many ways, well (they) can suck the herpes infected cock of Satan. > > Yeah, I said it. Fuck you to anyone who profits while not giving a single shit about what it does to the rest of the world. Die and rot in hell you motherfuckers." > > - [source](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17161186&postcount=2051) Probably shouldn’t be working for them then. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4057 "2015-03-30T20:53:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by FXMastermind > "In the interest of disclosure, not that (I) really give a fuck what anyone thinks, but still, several members of my family run solar energy businesses. Which I fully support. > > Exxon and BP and the rest of the extreme fuckholes of the Universe, that actually fuck with people who want to be free of them, who make record profits, while fucking over the planet, in so many ways, well (they) can suck the herpes infected cock of Satan. > > Yeah, I said it. Fuck you to anyone who profits while not giving a single shit about what it does to the rest of the world. Die and rot in hell you motherfuckers." > > - source (Or “… fuck … extreme fuckholes … fuck … fucking over … suck the herpes infected cock of Satan … Fuck you … shit … rot in hell you motherfuckers.”) Hi, **FXMastermind**. Would you be able to fashion a brief lucid paragraph stating your position, if any, on Global Warming? Skimming the quotes by you I see in the thread, I find only confusion and inchoate anger. Anger against scientists, anger against polluters, anger against politicians, anger agaisnt Dopers, anger, anger, anger. Sometimes you seem to have a scientific bent; but more often your posts closely resemble those of morons who ridicule Algore because it snowed yesterday. No consistency; no intelligible argument; just unending anger. Do you have some intelligent message you think you can contribute to the debate? (I don’t want the whole message, just a very brief abstract/synopsis of it.) Or is it all just frothing-at-the-mouth performance art for you? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4058 "2015-03-30T21:34:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Do you have some intelligent message you think you can contribute to the debate? While I usually ignore idiotic questions, especially from trolls, only a complete idiot could not know at this point, if they have been reading. Or a complete newcomer. Newcomer, here are a few links for you. [Unadjusted global mean from HADCRUT](http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1995.9/every:12/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1995.16/every:12/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1995/every:12/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1995.08/every:12) (red Dec, blue Jan, purple Feb, green March) [RSS land only](http://woodfortrees.org/plot/rss-land/from:1995.9/every:12/plot/rss-land/from:1995/every:12/plot/rss-land/from:1995.08/every:12), (red Dec, green Jan, blue Feb) [Previous post about it](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17163131&postcount=500) [Evidence for posting nothing but fact based data](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17158649&postcount=405) While now a year older, [evidence for why current consensus theory is wrong about global warming](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17120601&postcount=1) [Why trends matter more than a single year](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17182176&postcount=696) [Some info on solar influence](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17161309&postcount=446), and [why some esteemed solar scientist are skeptics](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17161814&postcount=454) [Why we know NH winters are getting colder](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17145506&postcount=243) [Ways to combat climate change](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17197352&postcount=20), as well as observations on why the alarmists seem so insane about it [Why large volcanoes reduce CO2 levels](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17196983&postcount=10), as well as cool the planet There are hundreds more, but if those won’t won’t matter, a hundred more certainly won’t. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4059 "2015-03-30T21:52:08Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Hi, **FXMastermind**. Would you be able to fashion a brief lucid paragraph stating your position, if any, on Global Warming? Already have, as you know of course. [link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17853460&postcount=533) Just in case you are ignorant, not stupid. Of course that’s a pretty long fucking paragraph, with science links and evidence and shit like that. It might take you a while to grasp it. [Here is where I prove the warming is from the enhanced greenhouse effect](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17853529&postcount=535), using Illinois as a proxy for global temperatures. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4060 "2015-03-30T22:37:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > (Or “… fuck … extreme fuckholes … fuck … fucking over … suck the herpes infected cock of Satan … Fuck you … shit … rot in hell you motherfuckers.”) > > Hi, **FXMastermind**. Would you be able to fashion a _ **brief lucid paragraph** _ stating your position, if any, on Global Warming? > > … (_ **I don’t want the whole message** _, just a _ **very brief** _ abstract/synopsis of it.) So, the answer is No. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=202) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=204)