# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 204
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4061 "2015-03-31T02:34:24Z")
If the fossil fuel companies [won’t pay Dr. Roy Spencer a dime](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOjyMir6Z0), why the fuck would they pay me? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4062 "2015-03-31T05:54:18Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So, the answer is No. Pretty much. I don’t understand him either. His posts can be laced with so much sarcasm it’s hard to know. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4063 "2015-03-31T18:16:03Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > I don’t understand him either.. Words can be hard. > [@PlainJain](#): > > His posts can be laced with so much sarcasm it’s hard to know. Yes, yes it is. Sarcasm is hard too. [Antarctica may have set its highest temperature ever recorded Tuesday](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/03/27/antarctica-may-have-set-highest-temperature-ever-recorded-tuesday/?postshare=121427729109034) > [@](#): > > Need another indicator of climate warming in Antarctica? The trio of weather bloggers at Weather Underground report the temperature there likely hit a record-breaking 63.5F (17.5C) Tuesday. I’M SICK OF THIS GLOBAL WARMING! > [@](#): > > [Atlanta breaks a century-old temperature record](http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/23151205/atlanta-breaks-a-century-old-temperature-record) > > ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) - > > Atlanta’s high temperature on Thursday was only 73 degrees which is the coolest high temperature on record for August 15. > > The previous record was a high of only 77 degrees from 1908. > > The average high temperature for this time of year is 88 degrees, putting Thursday’s high 15 degrees below average. ## I AM SICK OF THIS GLOBAL WARMING! See? It’s hard to figure out that taking a single day, and then declaring it’s a sign of global climate change, might be a stupid thing to do. Most people think a single high temperature, or a single low temperature, actually means something. So they get confused when somebody mocks the idiot media for doing it. I hope this helps. > [@](#): > > previous Antarctic record high temperature was 62.8F from April 24, 1961. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4064 "2015-03-31T18:25:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > While I usually ignore idiotic questions, especially from trolls, only a complete idiot could not know at this point, if they have been reading. Or a complete newcomer. > > Newcomer, here are a few links for you. > > … > > While now a year older, [evidence for why current consensus theory is wrong about global warming](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17120601&postcount=1) > > … > > There are hundreds more, but if those won’t won’t matter, a hundred more certainly won’t. I was interesting in understanding what you were trying to say, so I picked a link at random (the one given above) and read it. Holy fucking shit. I’m only on page 4, and you’ve had your ass handed to you at least 30 times. You’re wronger than **adaher**. I love the way **Kimstu** has politely and repeatedly handed your ass to you. I can’t think of anyone who hasn’t been banned who’s had his ass handed to him that many times in a single thread (did they ever ban that 9/11 model guy?). Do you ever realize how badly you got your ass handed to you? Holy shit, I’d never show my face on the board again if I got handled like that. Congratulations on not having any shame, I guess. After reading that thread (or at least the first 4 pages of it) it’s clear you’re fucking insane. I don’t mean that in a funny way, I mean that in a “fucking insane” way. You’re crazier than **brazil84** , and I think that guy should legitimately and seriously be institutionalized. I’m not a psychologist, but I read Lyle McDonald’s stuff, and his behavior is like yours (except he obsessed about something he was right about). He talks about dealing with his bipolar disorder [here](http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/bipolar/). You should read that. Seriously, I hope you get some help. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4065 "2015-03-31T18:36:36Z")
Thanks for your concern. It was touching. Of course you just posted your opinion, rather than any science, but that’s par for the course. The simple fact, one that anyone who actually wants to learn can easily grasp, is resisted with vigor by both sides of this war. You think the global alarmists are upset? The Wattsupwiththat crowd is equally opposed to the very idea. Isn’t that something? I’ve been called a troll by global warming deniers because of the same fact based presentation, concerning recent changes to the boreal winters. (they insist it isn’t happening as well, which is fucking insane) It’s fucking hilarious actually. Some people on both sides, who hardly ever agree on anything, they both are in denial about current climate change. Now that is ironic. Of course it’s more complicated than that, but it’s really fucking funny at times. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4066 "2015-03-31T18:43:54Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Thanks for your concern. It was touching. The concern is real. I don’t know you, but I hope you manage to sort things out. Your behavior really does remind me of Lyle McDonald, and he struggled his whole life before recently getting things on track. One thing he said: Because among all of the other issues inherent to bipolar is this: it’s progressive. It’s apparently thought that every time you cycle from high to low to high again there is apparently some degree of “damage” that occurs that makes the next cycle that much worse. And in hindsight, especially over the last few years, that’s certainly what’s happened to me. Starting when I was in my 40’s the highs started to get higher and the lows got lower. I’ve written about the lows before, they always followed a situation where I was on tilt and out of control. … When I was on tilt, I would spend money freely, completely lose my mind online, lash out at people, throw long-held friends away (I lost my mentor and friend of 17 years this way) before crashing back into depression. But here’s the thing: when you’re manic you don’t care. Your brain lies to you, tells you that nothing can go wrong, no action can be a mistake. Every plan, project, etc. will succeed beyond your wildest dreams (at the extreme grandiose thoughts can turn to hallucinations though I don’t think I ever got that far although it’s hard to tell sometimes). You can do no wrong when you’re manic and even if you could, you refuse to listen to anyone advising you differently. It’s part of the disease itself with your brain lying to you. In a very real sense, you have been mentally hijacked. Seriously, I hope that you get help. I doubt that some guy posting on the internet will do anything, but maybe you’ll read Lyle’s stuff and think about it? Maybe it’ll make a break from the climate change stuff. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4067 "2015-03-31T18:47:53Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I was interesting in understanding what you were trying to say, so I picked a link at random (the one given above) and read it. There isn’t a single thing in that post that isn’t linked to, actual sources, so anyone can check the data themselves. [Even the WFTs links are still valid](http://woodfortrees.org/plot/crutem3vnh/from:2002.9/every:12/plot/crutem3vnh/from:2002/every:12/plot/crutem3vnh/from:2002.08/every:12/plot/crutem3vnh/from:2002/trend), since the newer data is in them. Th thing that is so hard for a non-scientist to grasp, is that basic global warming theory predicts the NH land should show the most warming, and in winter. And that land temperatures should show more warming than the oceans. That we observe a cooling trend for the boreal winters, while the NH ocean still shows warming, is also a big question mark. It’s such an obvious problem, it’s quite interesting to see a blank eyed stare, or raging anger, when confronted with these facts. Because I also say it does not mean there is no human caused changes, and in fact consider Cohen’s theory to be quite possible, certainly the fossil fuel influence isn’t happy with my showing the data either. Just because basic global warming theory is wrong, does not mean we aren’t fucking things up. As I have said many times, if Cohen (and others) are right, it means the trends will continue, and winters will get worse, while the rest of the year warms. This is a worst case scenario, as it means far more damage to us, than just warming winters would cause. If it is actually from fossil fuels/deforestation/cement making, you know, the sources of increased CO2 levels, it could be a very bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4068 "2015-03-31T18:49:02Z")
What would happen if **FX** put himself on his own ignore list? [Yeah, something akin to my liar’s paradox upthread…would be fun to see his head smoke and burn tho…] ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4069 "2015-03-31T18:50:23Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > There isn’t a single thing in that post that isn’t linked to, actual sources, so anyone can check the data themselves… Yeah, I’m not going to discuss this issue (or any other) with you. I don’t think you benefit in any way from posting here, but I’m not the boss of you. Good luck. Actually, a link from Lyle’s page: [The Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance (DBSA)](http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?pagename=home) This is probably the most comprehensive source of information for Bipolar and includes listings for support groups by locale. There is also research, information for clinicians and much more here. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4070 "2015-03-31T18:52:07Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > The concern is real. The problem with being real, is on the internet, there is no difference between real concern, and concern trolling. You must be new, so you haven’t grasped this yet. It’s exactly like what we see with the jabbering trolls in this thread. They might actually be serious, but you can’t tell. What they never do, is deal with the facts on the page. It’s always about them, never the world or what is happening to it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4071 "2015-03-31T18:53:28Z")
OMG we posted at the same time. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Yeah, I’m not going to discuss this issue (or any other) with you. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > What they never do, is deal with the facts on the page. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4072 "2015-03-31T19:54:18Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I don’t think you benefit in any way from posting here, Thanks. Those accusing me of being paid are a bit loony, that much is obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4073 "2015-03-31T20:52:08Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > . . . [The Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance (DBSA)](http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?pagename=home) . . . At first, I thought this was a climate-related link – tropical depressions and bipolar ice-cap reduction. Then I figured it out…and went and clicked, found a local support group, and am looking into working up the courage to join. They meet really close to me! Thank you! This is why threads like these, which sometimes seem hopelessly deadlocked, can still be productive: sidestream information pops up that is actually helpful and useful! ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4074 "2015-04-01T01:27:00Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > See? It’s hard to figure out that taking a single day, and then declaring it’s a sign of global climate change, might be a stupid thing to do. Most people think a single high temperature, or a single low temperature, actually means something. Oh, like you. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4075 "2015-04-01T04:56:11Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I hope this helps. Sort of. I think the part you’re missing is that some of do not feel like trying to interpret what appears to be a ranting screed. I’m sure _you_ understand yourself just fine. I think what septimus (and others of us) wish is that rather than being purposely obtuse, you could just clearly state your position. No links, no snips or snark, no double talk. Let me show you what I mean: Example A - I AM SICK OF THIS (actual) GLOBAL WARMING! (that’s caused thoughtless, selfish humans). Example B - I AM SICK OF THIS GLOBAL WARMING! (paranoia). Science has shown it to be nonsense. But I know you can’t. It makes you feel SOOOO superior to cut people down. Carry on… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4076 "2015-04-01T05:03:14Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Sort of. I think the part you’re missing is that some of do not feel like trying to interpret what appears to be a ranting screed. I’m sure _you_ understand yourself just fine. > > I think what septimus (and others of us) wish is that rather than being purposely obtuse, you could just clearly state your position. No links, no snips or snark, no double talk. Let me show you what I mean: > > Example A - I AM SICK OF THIS (actual) GLOBAL WARMING! (that’s caused thoughtless, selfish humans). > > Example B - I AM SICK OF THIS GLOBAL WARMING! (paranoia). Science has shown it to be nonsense. > > But I know you can’t. It makes you feel SOOOO superior to cut people down. Like a twoofer. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4077 "2015-04-01T13:36:29Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Sort of. I think the part you’re missing is that some of do not feel like trying to interpret what appears to be a ranting screed. So you can’t understand the points in the following quoted post? > [@FXMastermind](#): > > No, global warming is man made warming, from changes we have made to the world, the primary issue is CO2 increase, from burning fuels, but also cement making, gas flaring, agriculture, deforestation, and of course soot. Mankind has made actual changes to the natural world. These changes, which are theorized to cause warming, are called global warming, AGW, it’s the theory of global warming. > > Just natural warming is not called global warming. > > No, even if we see a prolonged pause in warming, it doesn’t mean global warming has stopped, because we are still causing an increase in greenhouse gases, as well as changing the balance of what the world used to be. And of course, the warming has not stopped, as I have showed many times now. > > What has happened, is the NH winters have cooled. So much it affects the entire annual mean, but it certainly has become obvious that it is happening. > > It shows up using every data set. It really shows up using the lower troposphere data. February is the most obvious month, but January, and now December and even March are showing the trend. > > The global data doesn’t show it as much as the NH land only data, because the oceans and SH land all show warming still. Got that? NH winter land shows cooling, every other time and place warming. That’s the data. > > It is even evident using the global land and ocean data. > > [D-J-F global land and ocean](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LqooOdvyE00/VRXv4AgftQI/AAAAAAAAArs/eZVLErh816s/s1600/global%2Bfeb.png) cooling > > All because of this, [NH land cooling](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qrsFSZfr4NA/VRXv3Xwj3wI/AAAAAAAAArk/DJg9N0_dnDc/s1600/1995-2015%2Bland%2Bwinter%2BNH%2Btrend.png) > > [GISS February global land ocean mean](http://woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1995.08/every:12) > > Every other season [shows continued warming](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EK1p3Q6Rb5U/VRXv5T9YxPI/AAAAAAAAAr8/z2DsE6A693o/s1600/summer.png). There has been [no pause in warming](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jF4d7x4ge5I/VRXv3RT-24I/AAAAAAAAArg/-G4O73rlkA4/s1600/global%2Baugust.png), except for the NH land temperatures. [NH ocean temps still show warming](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-r3HM-nlZ52w/VRXv4VBXR8I/AAAAAAAAArw/KX44NIAaJUA/s1600/nh%2Bwinter%2Bocean.png). > > I don’t think any fossil fuel conspiracies even know this. I certainly haven’t seen anybody else talking about this. > > Why is it happening? And why do both sides resist the very idea so hard? What part is hard for you to understand? What part do you find sarcastic? Which parts sound like ranting? It would help if you quoted the problem areas. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4078 "2015-04-01T14:01:41Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > I think what septimus (and others of us) wish is that rather than being purposely obtuse, you could just clearly state your position. Do you find [this Great Debate opening post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18064409&postcount=1) to be sarcastic? Ranting? Hard to understand? How about this post from [Is global warming falsifiable?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17916571&postcount=716) Is that sarcastic screed? Impossible to understand? I’m speaking to a specific claim and fake “study” about “winters warming faster than any other season”, for context. One might wonder, “why is it so important to climatecentral to prove winters are warming the fastest?”. Is it just because of the intense cold of 2014? Or is there a larger issue? [Does this post here seem confusing?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17902274&postcount=619) Is it too sarcastic? Too obtuse? It also helps to remember the OP and this topic was actually a light one off posted in MPSIMS, not a pitting, and certainly not a Great debate. A Mod moved it to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4079 "2015-04-01T14:10:42Z")
This thread has over 4000 posts. Your OP is not clear. Many of your posts are just excuses to mock posters. If someone comes here not having been here from the get go, do you really think it’s reasonable to ask them to read 4000 posts to find the one where you clearly state your position? Or would it be better, for clarity’s sake, just to restate your position when nicely asked? Why is that so hard for you to understand? . ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4080 "2015-04-01T17:04:54Z")
> [@White SIFL](#): > > This thread has over 4000 posts. Your OP is not clear. Many of your posts are just excuses to mock posters. If someone comes here not having been here from the get go, do you really think it’s reasonable to ask them to read 4000 posts to find the one where you clearly state your position? Or would it be better, for clarity’s sake, just to restate your position when nicely asked? > > Why is that so hard for you to understand? Don’t sweat it. Understanding is not what he seeks. Take the first two links from the post to which you replied: > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Do you find [this Great Debate opening post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18064409&postcount=1) to be sarcastic? Ranting? Hard to understand? This was a perfecly apt post, but it was undermined by the way he attempted to use it as an attack on those who are actually paying attention to the discussion on climate change. (And, ironically, as the thread progressed, he demonstrated his own inability to reconcile his (expressed) beliefs with the facts: his OP was correct, particularly when applied to himself.) Then, the second link, > [@FXMastermind](#): > > How about this post from [Is global warming falsifiable?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17916571&postcount=716) Is that sarcastic screed? Impossible to understand? while appearing, on a first glance, to be “reasonable” turns out, if one follows the next several posts, to have been nothing more than a game of bait-and-switch, accompanied by a lot of misplaced snide chitterings, in which he demonstrated a desire to misrepresent the links he posted and the posts of others, and to change the meaning of his own posts in mid-stream. As I noted, above, understanding is not his goal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=203) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=205)