# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 209
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4161 "2015-04-21T16:24:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So why are so many scientists so totally wrong, according to you? That is called a strawman argument. Even pointing this out is a waste of time. Like so many, you mistake your own thoughts for something real, that is on the pages in front of you. Just quote where that was claimed, and then I will answer you. But of course you won’t, or can’t. since I never claimed that. It’s one reason why ignorance so often wins. Idiots can ask more questions than a wise man could ever have time to answer. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4162 "2015-04-21T20:33:56Z")
Perhaps I misunderstand, I am of the opinion that you are aware of the solid consensus that global warming is real. Is this in error? Oh, and this: > [@](#): > > …From Understanding Climate Change…Now, in 1974, a program to reach the “weather forecasting” objective of garp is well under way… 1974? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4163 "2015-04-21T21:13:24Z")
Are you confused about what year the **Understanding Climatic Change: A Program for Action By United States Committee for the Global Atmospheric Research Program** was published? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4164 "2015-04-21T22:01:06Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You claim to know my own motivations better than me now? Awfully presumptuous of you. It’s a fact that a lot of people don’t understand their own motivations very well. > [@](#): > > I have, actually. Whom? > [@](#): > > I did not “jump into an exchange” between you and **Trinopus**. Indeed, I spoke only to him. Then why not simply send him a private message? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4165 "2015-04-21T22:02:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So why are so many scientists so totally wrong, according to you? Were they bought off by the unions, and seduced by Al Gore’s massive wealth? There is a clear consensus, and it isn’t yours. What exactly is this “clear consensus”? Are you able to spell it out? If not, then it’s not really a “clear consensus.” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4166 "2015-04-21T22:20:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Why not show a long term trend? Explain about climate? Show how one cold winter in one area of the NH means very little? Why don’t we see that sort of scientific approach? > > Instead of [showing the anomaly](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=anoms&mean_gen=0103&year1=2015&year2=2015&base1=1996&base2=2015&radius=250&pol=rob), show [the trend](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0103&year1=1996&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob). > > That’s called science, and it’s honest. Don’t fucking dismiss the coldest fucking winter people have ever lived through, and tell them “Yeah, but the entire world is actually warmer than ever”. Oh, shit dude, I’m sorry. I’m not used to this science stuff you throw down, but I am trying. Show a trend. Got it. Let me give it a try (here goes nothing): How’s [this](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0103&year1=1950&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob)? Was that better? Oh shit, it doesn’t look right. What the fuck did I do wrong **FX**? I made a trend just like you but it doesn’t have that blue science color. Fuck. Oh, wait, I see it. I need to pick the year we start the trend line in better. :smack: Right? 1996? Let me try again: How’s [this](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0603&year1=1996&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=rob)? Fuck. What did I do wrong this time? I cherry picked the start date of 1996 just like you but it still doesn’t have all that blue science color in it. Oh, I got the wrong time of year. You are only looking at January through March and I mistakenly looked at the summer months… :smack: This is pissing me off. :mad: Let me try one more time, because you are my hero and I want to be able to do science just like you **FX**. How about [this map](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=03&year1=1996&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=rob)? Gaaaaah. It still does not look like yours! Let’s see: Trends. Check. 1996 Start Date. Check. Spring. Check. WTF? 😕 Oh wait, it looks like I am just looking at March and not January - March like you. I just don’t get it, how come I can change how the science works by cherry picking the data **FX**? Can you explain it? I mean, I keep creating trend maps but unless I enter exactly what you put in I just don’t get that pretty blue color you get… Fuck, I guess I am just not good at this science stuff like you are FX… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4167 "2015-04-22T00:08:11Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > It’s a fact that a lot of people don’t understand their own motivations very well. This is so. Mind reading, however, exists only in fantasy. > [@](#): > > Whom? Nope. You can search the thread and read all of my posts as easily as I. Have fun; I’m pretty entertaining if you’ve had a couple. > [@](#): > > Then why not simply send him a private message? Because you were meant to read it, of course. . ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4168 "2015-04-22T01:54:30Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > And now, since I am done with this idiot topic, here’s a short list of things that are sickening about global warming. Well, I am glad that you included the stuff of which you have been routinely guilty: > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Idiots who keep claiming victory, . . . > > . . . > > Asshats who repeat lies, . . . > > Anyone who uses insulting terms to describe their “enemies”, which is defined as anyone who disagrees with them. Those people are stupid. > > Anyone who doesn’t understand sarcasm and irony, or why it’s a valid response to mind numbing fuckheadedness online > > The constant spin on everything > > . . . > > . . . And there is the most basic, and stupid, argument used all the time. Both sides do it, but the side claiming the high ground, the global warmers, really should know better. [:rolleyes:] > > . . . > > . . . It insults intelligent people, and it really makes the average person think you are some sort of insane shithead. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4169 "2015-04-22T02:35:18Z")
> [@andros](#): > > This is so. Mind reading, however, exists only in fantasy. Mind reading is not necessary to make a reasonable conclusion about peoples’ motivations based on their actions. In your case, you have made numerous comments which contain no substantive content and simply criticize and/or ridicule people on the side of the debate of me and **FxMastermind**. Although you claim to have directed such comments at other people, you refuse to identify those people. So it’s reasonable to infer that your main motivation is, as I said, to root for your teammates. > [@](#): > > Nope. You can search the thread and read all of my posts as easily as I. Have fun; I’m pretty entertaining if you’ve had a couple. I’ve already read most of the thread – as best I can recall, you have not criticized or ridiculed anyone on the “pro” side of the discussion. i.e. you are just like a rabid fan at a baseball game, cheering on his team and jeering at players from the other team. > [@](#): > > Because you were meant to read it, of course. > . i.e. you jumped into the exchange. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4170 "2015-04-22T02:56:50Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Mind reading is not necessary to make a reasonable conclusion about peoples’ motivations based on their actions. Of course, but he’s just trying anything to keep you on the line. It’s trolling. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > If you leave your claim vague, he has to guess at what would count as an attack on it. Spell your claim out and he’ll know what’s irrelevant. Of course, but that means having an actual discussion, something the alarmists avoids in many ways. If you get to the science, slogans and beliefs don’t count for much. The essential issues are avoided, in so many ways. And who can blame them? The constant stream of idiocy from the media and experts floods the world with crap. Not just ordinary bullshit, it’s high level bullshit. > [@](#): > > If it’s so cold and there’s a dangerous amount of snow, then how could the Earth possibly be warming? > > Part of the confusion comes down to our understanding of weather and climate. People question the scientific reality of global warming because they don’t know the difference between the two. > **[Why Cold Weather Doesn't Mean Global Warming Isn't Real](https://www.businessinsider.com/cold-weather-doesnt-discredit-climate-change-2014-11)** > > It's about the difference between climate and weather. It’s right there in plain English. “Cold weather doesn’t discredit global warming”. In fact, “global warming is causing the colder weather”. And they can’t figure out why anyone would doubt them! Do you actually think anyone, expert or otherwise, would be saying global warming is going to cause colder winters, it we were still seeing the warm winters of a decade ago? If we were still in a period of warm winters with little snow, would anyone be flooding the world with stories about how global warming will make it colder? Of course not. That’s the pricless irony of it all. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > “Basic global warming theory predicts the most warming will be observed over land. Basic global warming theory predicts the most warming will be observed in the northern hemisphere. Basic global warming theory predicts the most warming will be observed during winter. Basic global warming theory predicts the most warming will be observed at high latitudes. Basic global warming theory predicts the most warming will be observed in nighttime lows, rather than daytime highs.” > > “Basic global warming theory also predicts that decreasing ice and snow will result in more warming. Basic global warming theory predicts an increase in water vapor, which will result in further warming (water vapor feedback).” > > There’s another summary of predictions based on basic global warming theory. > > There is no uncertainty about the past predictions of warmer winters, with less snow. > [2008](https://web.archive.org/web/20080511205221/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3341039.ece) > > The essential issue is no mystery, **nor does any honest person who has followed the global warming issue for the last four decades have any illusion about the predictions for warmer winters**. To try and sell the story that “colder winters were always predicted” is pure Orwellian newspeak, it’s an odious look into the mindset of the global warmer. It’s also entertaining as hell. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4171 "2015-04-22T02:58:41Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Mind reading is not necessary to make a reasonable conclusion about peoples’ motivations based on their actions. In your case, you have made numerous comments which contain no substantive content and simply criticize and/or ridicule people on the side of the debate of me and **FxMastermind**. Although you claim to have directed such comments at other people, you refuse to identify those people. > > So it’s reasonable to infer that your main motivation is, as I said, to root for your teammates. > > I’ve already read most of the thread – as best I can recall, you have not criticized or ridiculed anyone on the “pro” side of the discussion. i.e. you are just like a rabid fan at a baseball game, cheering on his team and jeering at players from the other team. No, I’m afraid your inference is, as I said, incorrect. That I enjoy mocking you and fucking with my brother from another mother **FX** is not in any way indicative of where I stand on AGW. It’s simply that I enjoy mocking you and fucking with him. > [@](#): > > i.e. you jumped into the exchange. I can see how your ego would demand you see it that way. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4172 "2015-04-22T02:59:18Z")
The last time somebody challenged this idea, that there has been a switch, after the fact, [they used this as a source](http://www.livescience.com/3751-global-warming-chill-planet.html) to claim people have been discussing “warming will make it colder” for a long time. You have to read the article to appreciate the ironic humor of that. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4173 "2015-04-22T03:03:08Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Of course, but he’s just trying anything to keep you on the line. It’s trolling. Point of order: not _anything_. You’re the only one for me. In, yanno, _that_ way. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4174 "2015-04-22T03:18:33Z")
> [@andros](#): > > No, I’m afraid your inference is, as I said, incorrect. That I enjoy mocking you and fucking with my brother from another mother **FX** is not in any way indicative of where I stand on AGW. It’s simply that I enjoy mocking you and fucking with him. Let’s do this: If you can point to ONE post in this entire thread (which has been going on for a year and a half now) where you mocked or ridiculed anyone on the opposite side of the debate from me and **FXMastermind** , I will admit that I am wrong about your motivations and apologize. Just one. Otherwise, you are no different from a rabid baseball fan. > [@](#): > > I can see how your ego would demand you see it that way. No, common sense demands seeing it that way. I had an exchange with **Trinopous** , you made a comment regarding that exchange, directed it towards **Trinopous** , and intended for me to read it. You jumped into the exchange. But anyway, I stand by my earlier challenge: Show me ONE post in this thread from the last 18 months where you mocked or ridiculed anyone on the opposite side of the debate from me or **FXMastermind** and I will apologize. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4175 "2015-04-22T03:25:42Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Let’s do this: If you can point to ONE post in this entire thread (which has been going on for a year and a half now) where you mocked or ridiculed anyone on the opposite side of the debate from me and **FXMastermind** , I will admit that I am wrong about your motivations and apologize. > > Just one. Otherwise, you are no different from a rabid baseball fan. That’s a pretty good analogy. Sports fans. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will ever change their minds. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4176 "2015-04-22T08:51:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > That’s a pretty good analogy. Sports fans. Thanks, except that sports fans are usually aware that they are partisans and that they are supporting their team because it’s their team. By the way, my challenge to **Andros** obviously applies to past posts only. That gives him an entire year and a half. > [@](#): > > Nothing, and I mean nothing, will ever change their minds. I basically agree, but I can think of one thing, which is if it becomes fashionable to be on the “anti” side of the debate. In that case, they will change their minds just like a teenage girl starts wearing whatever is in fashion that season. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4177 "2015-04-22T14:31:32Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Let’s do this: If you can point to ONE post in this entire thread (which has been going on for a year and a half now) where you mocked or ridiculed anyone on the opposite side of the debate from me and **FXMastermind** , My stars, but you are so _demanding_! I can hardly keep up! You originally asked if I had mocked _anyone else_ in the thread, which I am confident I have. Now I have to figure out who’s on whose side? My stars. My stars and garters. > [@](#): > > I will admit that I am wrong about your motivations and apologize. I don’t seek any admission or apology from you. Why on earth would I? 😕 That said, _of course_ I haven’t mocked anyone on “the opposite side of the debate.” In this thread, given its OP and its content? _Of course_ I’m going to stick to the fish in the barrel. When playing with **FX** and laughing at you are so easy, why would I bother with anyone else? (And are you so confident that you and he share a side?) > [@](#): > > Just one. Otherwise, you are no different from a rabid baseball fan. Baseball? I would have expected better from the Amazing Brazilskin, Reader of Minds. Maybe soccer. > [@](#): > > No, common sense demands seeing it that way. I had an exchange with **Trinopous** , you made a comment regarding that exchange, directed it towards **Trinopous** , and intended for me to read it. You jumped into the exchange. Ego demands that you see a public exchange on a public message board as something all your own, and ego demands that you address comments from the peanut gallery instead of treating them like the irrelevancies they are. I posted a single sentence on a public message board. That you persist in characterizing that as “jump[ing] into the exchange” is frankly bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4178 "2015-04-22T15:04:53Z")
Take a tip from\*\* brazil\*\* then, and ooze into the exchange, or slither. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4179 "2015-04-22T22:00:25Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Look out **Trin**. You could end up on…The List. Cool! I’m sure it would be a great comfort. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4180 "2015-04-22T22:13:01Z")
> [@andros](#): > > My stars, but you are so _demanding_! I can hardly keep up! You originally asked if I had mocked _anyone else_ in the thread, which I am confident I have. I was asking that to get information and figure out who you’ve been mocking. The challenge is to provide even a shred of evidence that you are not just like a rabid fan, here to cheer on your teammates and jeer at the opposition. So far you have not done so. > [@](#): > > I don’t seek any admission or apology from you. Why on earth would I? Maybe because you dispute what I am saying? > [@](#): > > That said, _of course_ I haven’t mocked anyone on “the opposite side of the debate.” Right, because you are just like a rabid baseball fan. > [@](#): > > In this thread, given its OP and its content? _Of course_ I’m going to stick to the fish in the barrel. Well what exactly I have I said about global warming with which you disagree? > [@](#): > > Ego demands that you see a public exchange on a public message board as something all your own, and ego demands that you address comments from the peanut gallery instead of treating them like the irrelevancies they are. Whether I address them or not, it doesn’t change what they are. > [@](#): > > That you persist in characterizing that as “jump[ing] into the exchange” is frankly bizarre. Well how would you define the phrase? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=208) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=210)