# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/401 "2013-09-11T15:33:58Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > For what? 😕 You must be the only person on the internet that doesn’t know. Or you are trolling ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/402 "2013-09-11T16:04:00Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You must be the only person on the internet that doesn’t know. > > Or you are trolling No, seriously, I was totally clueless. I even searched “RC helicopter news” and came up blank. Just now I searched “RC helicopter death” and found it. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/403 "2013-09-11T16:07:43Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > No seriously I was totally clueless. No worries. Now, don’t you think a veiled wish for two members to take up a hobby that just had a horrible public death, don’t you think that is a clever way to troll? I thought it was brilliant. Now some people might want to give the troll a free **vacation in Belize** , but I think he should get a gold star for being a clever troll. FYI if you don’t get the Breaking Bad reference, **vacation in Belize** , you wouldn’t think it means anything. Just like the RC helicopter death wish. It’s fucking clever. Of course the Mods may want to allow such things, time will tell. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/404 "2013-09-11T16:15:05Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > The inability for certain members of this non-debate to actually define their various and inchoate positions on this topic is quite notable. None of the points that the sane folks who are posting here have been addressed, namely that anthropogenic climate change is a real phenomenon and that there are fairly well known mechanisms for the causation of such. > > It is amusing to see two of the least competent posters on this subject spend time posting text that fails entirely to either refute the commonly held scientific principles employed to make the determination about anthropogenic climate change or to present any viable contrary hypothesis. Instead, they rely upon schoolyard antics and projection of their own failing upon others to attempt to make some sort of point. What that point is, as noted above, is difficult to determine and one my even suggest that the posters themselves have no idea of what the point is either. But that’s exactly backwards. Look, leave aside climate change for a moment and imagine pretty much any other claim. Let’s say Guy A announces that a giant meteor will strike the world and wipe out half of all mankind in the near future. Let’s say Guy B asks, _“What do you mean by ‘the near future’, Guy A?”_ We don’t need some Guy C to come along and accuse Guy B of being inchoate; Guy B doesn’t especially need to define much of anything. Rather, it’s Guy A who maybe means _“within five years”_ – or maybe means\* “within fifty years”\* – or maybe means _“Oh, I actually have no idea what The Near Future means in that sentence; someone told me it would happen In The Near Future, and I’m simply relaying his claim without knowing what the heck he had in mind.”_ To borrow the phrase you use at the end there, it’s entirely possible that Guy B in fact has no idea what Guy A’s point is. And it’s entirely possible that Guy A has no idea what the point is, either. Guy A can make a vague claim – the team with the best quarterback will win the next Super Bowl, we’ll soon have a President who proposes a sensible agriculture policy – without spelling out what it means, and without even knowing what it means, while always able to say _See I Was Right All Along_. Castigating the Guy Bs of the world is useless and misdirected so long as Guy A is out there doing his thing. (tl;dr? The one making the claim is of course the one who should define his terms.) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/405 "2013-09-11T16:48:53Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > The one making the claim is of course the one who should define his terms.) Why do you hate science? (GigoGallop, that is satire, I don’t really think he hates science) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/406 "2013-09-11T16:58:49Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > There is a real irony to that blog entry. Tamino was quite rightly complaining that the arctic shows a long term warming trend, and one year does not disprove “global warming”. > > Which is why this year is so ironic. It actually is the coldest ever in the arctic this summer. > > [Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut](http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php) > > But, that still doesn’t disprove anything. It just means it’s fuckass cold this year. > > Also, it’s funny that Tamino is arguing over which computer generated estimate of arctic temperatures one should use to look at trends. That blog (that was also recommended by former skeptic scientist Barry Bickmore) is more accurate, and you are only cherry picking the year like the still anonymous blogessor from WUWT does. As for: > [@FXMastermind](#): > > there still is no temperature network, no sensors scattered around the arctic, so we can actually know what the temperatures are. This is true for land and ocean measurements. We can add that to yet another of your lies like the “There is no evidence for water vapor feedback” or “No theory for this”. [http://www.apl.washington.edu/project/project.php?id=arctic\_buoys](http://www.apl.washington.edu/project/project.php?id=arctic_buoys) > [@](#): > > Members of the IABP maintain a network of drifting buoys on the Arctic Ocean. They provide meteorological and oceanographic data for real-time operational requirements and research. > > The Arctic Ocean Buoy Program was established at APL-UW in 1979 and succeeded in 1991 by the IABP to pursue the same objectives. Today the Programme is composed of 20 research and operations institutions from nine countries. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/407 "2013-09-11T17:54:40Z")
Hey FX, what oil company is paying you to shill their earth-killing lies? Shell? Exxon? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/408 "2013-09-11T19:05:22Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Hey FX, what oil company is paying you to shill their earth-killing lies? Shell? Exxon? 😃 BP ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/409 "2013-09-11T19:31:23Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > But that’s exactly backwards. I agree, but what’s funny is that I’m perfectly happy to lay out my position. If **Gagundathar** had simply read my posts, quoted whatever he found unclear, and asked me a simple, reasonable question about it, I would have been happy to answer. But instead he lied about what I had said, and wished death on me. Not only that, but he ignored my polite request for him to set forth his own position. It looks like he is projecting his own insanity onto others. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/410 "2013-09-11T19:35:57Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Hey FX, what oil company is paying you to shill their earth-killing lies? Shell? Exxon? 😃 > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > BP Wait a fucking minute. First I am some stupid as hell moron that rants and makes no sense. Now I am a highly paid oil shill trying to cast doubt on … well … something. Global warming or climate change or whatever it is that nobody will actually just fucking define. Can you people get your stories straight? I mean goddamn it, you can’t have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/411 "2013-09-11T19:37:51Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > It looks like he is projecting his own insanity onto others. Welcome to the goddamn internet. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/412 "2013-09-11T19:41:53Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > If **Gagundathar** had simply read my posts, quoted whatever he found unclear, and asked me a simple, reasonable question about it, I would have been happy to answer. > > But instead he lied about what I had said, and wished death on me. On both of us. But, hey, if you are going to let some anonymous fuckhead with nothing better to do worry you whilst posting on internet, you’re going to have a bad time. Remember the complete fail of an Ad campaign from England where they blew kids to pieces for just asking questions? The horrific idea that somebody actually thought was a good idea? That’s the level of insanity some of the vocal adherents of doom live in. They actually filmed it, put it out there, then tried to pretend it never happened. Dumb fucking assholes of the world. You make it hard for real scientists to be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/413 "2013-09-11T20:30:11Z")
Actually virtually all of the ones that I rely on condemned and criticized that, OTOH, there were almost no criticisms from the deniers at the Heartland Institute for putting ads that equated climate scientists with mass murderers. And do you care to deal with all the lies that you have said so far? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/414 "2013-09-11T21:35:00Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > We can add that to yet another of your lies Your language difficulties really are hindering you. If you weren’t such an insulting assbag I might care more. But it’s making you look stupid, when it’s more likely a misunderstanding you have with American culture. I probably should explain so you can follow. When I point out Tamino is arguing over which MODEL to use when discussing arctic temperatures, and then say “there are no measurements of the arctic”, it’s humor. It’s a joke. It’s like if somebody is arguing over which temperature anomaly dataset is best, and then somebody says we still have no way to actually measure the global temperatures. Which is why we have to use different anomaly graphs, which do not agree with each other. It’s a fucking joke. We actually measure global temperatures in all kinds of ways. The joke is that people are fighting over what the temperature actually is. Or what it means. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/415 "2013-09-11T21:47:39Z")
That was only \*\*one \*\*of your lies (that you are trying to pass a joke now, yeah, that will fly). I think it is better that you learn to be honest and learn how to deal with all the lies you told others so far. Rather than the cheap shots you are reduced to do. It seems that being a grammar Nazi is the only thing left for you then. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/416 "2013-09-11T21:53:21Z")
Since your information isn’t peer reviewed, it is invalid. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/417 "2013-09-11T22:12:39Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Since your information isn’t peer reviewed, it is invalid. Good, because that applies to virtually all what is posted in WUWT and other denier sources. In any case the reality is that many other scientists do see the quality of the work from the author and that is the best peer review one can get outside of publication. (not to mention that he is also a published author). But that was not the issue you liar, the research from Andrew Dessler regarding water vapor feedback was already published and peer reviewed. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/418 "2013-09-11T22:15:26Z")
Once again, your comments are invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/419 "2013-09-11T22:58:22Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Wait a fucking minute. First I am some stupid as hell moron that rants and makes no sense. Now I am a highly paid oil shill trying to cast doubt on … well … something. Global warming or climate change or whatever it is that nobody will actually just fucking define. > > Can you people get your stories straight? I mean goddamn it, you can’t have it both ways. What? BP doesn’t pay you? Those mothefuckers…they told me to go to Exxon because they were paying you and Shell paid magellan and brazil. 😃 All of us earth-destroying shilling have to get paid, doncha know? 😛 Our evil cannot be our own, it must be paid 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/420 "2013-09-11T23:28:58Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And do you care to deal with all the lies that you have said so far? I seriously doubt it. Same 4 pathetic trolls (label them how you will-dried toilet crust for example is probably too good for them) I see, spewing the same bullshit, over and over and over again (you 4 fuckholes would make excellent perpetual motion machines to help solve our energy crisis, but I digress). It is because of lowlife scum like you that our planet is now in peril-enough of you bastards (that is, the ones with actual political clout, not pimply 300 pound fatasses such as the likes of you who jerk off to bukkake videos when they aren’t jerking off to some denier blog somewhere) have gotten into enough places of power that few countries are doing much about AGW (tho some are doing more than others, such as Germany, to their credit). Maybe one day you’ll repent your willful idiocy and ignorance and wake the fuck up, but I for one will not be holding my breath. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=22)