# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 217
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4321 "2015-06-19T19:44:00Z")
Thank God that Ralph is here, with his no education, and blind ideology to set right the vast majority of PhDs in the field. If it weren’t for his superior ignorance, we’d be bamboozled by the “experts” and their “evidence.” What else you smarter than the experts in, Ralphie? You got any ideas on how to cure cancer, or build a better computer processor? I mean your superior-to-knowledge ignorance must be usable in other areas, right? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4322 "2015-06-19T19:59:51Z")
Just an explanation of why the pack ice is growing would suffice.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4323 "2015-06-19T20:24:16Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Just an explanation of why the pack ice is growing would suffice.😃 So no? You don’t trust your ignorance as evidence for other scientific endeavors? But just because you’re told by the media you consume that AGW is a left/right issue, your ignorance is elevated to expertise in this issue? If physics were a left/right issue, according to the media you follow, then you’d ignorantly find gravity suspect? Or the shape of the world? Or the age of the universe? You’re like a truther. Convinced you understand building demolition and the melting point of steel better than the experts. That your ignorant gut-intuition is the truth, experts be damned. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4324 "2015-06-19T20:54:36Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > So no? You don’t trust your ignorance as evidence for other scientific endeavors? But just because you’re told by the media you consume that AGW is a left/right issue, your ignorance is elevated to expertise in this issue? > > If physics were a left/right issue, according to the media you follow, then you’d ignorantly find gravity suspect? Or the shape of the world? Or the age of the universe? > > You’re like a truther. Convinced you understand building demolition and the melting point of steel better than the experts. That your ignorant gut-intuition is the truth, experts be damned. Really, what is all of this babble about? How does the melting point of steel have anything to do with the cooling seen in the southern ocean? And how do you know what media I “follow”. I would say that you should change your attitude.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4325 "2015-06-19T21:05:52Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Really, what is all of this babble about? How does the melting point of steel have anything to do with the cooling seen in the southern ocean? > And how do you know what media I “follow”. > I would say that you should change your attitude.:smack: I’m just surprised that you think anything you can understand would have slipped by the actual experts. You’re a conspiracy theorist. Demanding evidence that we went to the moon. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4326 "2015-06-22T01:37:59Z")
Who else would love to see a practical (which means affordable) technology that allows anyone to use sunlight to make hydrogen (and oxygen), cheaper than buying fuel? [I certainly would](http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150616072324.htm) I don’t care if it’s a coming ice age or global warming, being able to use sunlight for fuel (at a reasonable cost) seems like a wonderful thing. There is just so damn much sunlight (that we actually do not want) in some areas, that being unable to use it is almost a crime. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4327 "2015-06-22T03:12:47Z")
Better to burn fossil fuels to run the air conditioners. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4328 "2015-06-22T03:25:50Z")
First time I’ve agreed with **FXMastermind** in a damn long time. Yes, improvements in solar power, including breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen, would be wonderful, and I think we’ll see at least small improvements on a steady and continuing basis. Maybe we’ll have the joy of seeing some dramatic breakthrough. Nothing wrong with hope! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4329 "2015-06-22T14:31:40Z")
If you don’t know about [this case of blatant scientific fraud](http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-uncovered-a-huge-fraud.html), it’s well worth reading about. Because it is an example of how human nature works. It’s right there in the story, how intelligent and perhaps well intentioned people can easily be fooled. > [@](#): > > “So when he and I really had a disagreement, he would often rely on the kind of arguments where he’d basically invoke authority, right? He’s the one with advanced training, and his adviser is this very high-powered, very experienced person [Lynn Vavreck, his Ph.D. adviser at UCLA], **and they know a lot more than we do**.” This is a common tactic, especially when the science is bad, or worse, fraudulent. > [@](#): > > But even before Broockman, Kalla, and Aronow published their report, LaCour’s results were so impressive that, on their face, they didn’t make sense. Jon Krosnick, a Stanford social psychologist who focuses on attitude change and also works on issues of scientific transparency, says that he hadn’t heard about the study until he was contacted by a “This American Life” producer who described the results to him over the phone. “Gee,” he replied, “that’s very surprising and doesn’t fit with a huge literature of evidence. It doesn’t sound plausible to me.” A few clicks later, Krosnick had pulled up the paper on his computer. “Ah,” he told the producer, “I see Don Green is an author. I trust him completely, so I’m no longer doubtful.” > **[The Case of the Amazing Gay-Marriage Data: How a Graduate Student Reluctantly...](https://www.thecut.com/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-uncovered-a-huge-fraud.html)** > > “What’s the book? There’s no book for this. What do we do?’” How does a really smart person go from this- “LaCour’s results were so impressive that, on their face, they didn’t make sense” To this? " “Ah,” he told the producer, “I see Don Green is an author. I trust him completely, so I’m no longer doubtful.” " And the real question, is how did Don Green get fooled so easily? How did everybody get fooled? > [@](#): > > So LaCour was always able to dissuade people from looking too closely, from asking follow-up questions. This was a graduate student who successfully ran the gauntlet of the Princeton interview process with a publicly posted CV that contained wild falsehoods about his grant receipts — he listed $793,000 worth of them, which is an all but impossible amount for a political-science graduate student — and included a teaching award that doesn’t exist. Many of his fabrications, including the data for the Science study, lay in plain sight for years, and yet no one picked up on them until last week. In plain sight. For years. Not until a lowly student thought about the money, did it all come apart for this huge fraud. But of course it wasn’t that simple. (Again, if you are interested in science, read the entire thing) > [@](#): > > Why did it take so long for someone to discover the fraud? It’s a question many have asked in the last week and a half as observers both inside and outside of academia ponder what this scandal means for science. Broockman tells it plainly. > [@](#): > > Most important, in Broockman’s opinion, his experience highlights a failure on the part of political science to nurture and assist young researchers who have suspicions about other scientists’ data, but who can’t, or can’t yet, prove any sort of malfeasance. In fact, throughout the entire process, until the very last moment when multiple “smoking guns” finally appeared, Broockman was consistently told by friends and advisers to keep quiet about his concerns lest he earn a reputation as a troublemaker, or — perhaps worse — someone who merely replicates and investigates others’ research rather than plant a flag of his own. Yes, keep quiet, lest you suffer the consequences. Now getting back to the smoking guns for climate theory, why is something in plain sight so violently denied? And anyone who points it out attacked and vilified? As the astute observer can see, it’s quite possible for something that is pure bullshit to make it all the way up to the top, and for it to be defended, by the very people who should be pointing out it’s bullshit. This part of his story is just so damn interesting. > [@](#): > > “Some small part of my head thought, ‘I wonder if it was fake,’” says Broockman. “But most of me thought, ‘I guess I’ll have to wait until Mike is willing to reveal what the magic was.’” In hindsight of course, we can all see it’s fake. It’s obvious. But at the time, nobody, and this means not a single person, saw it was fake. And if the student hadn’t been trying to replicate the study, he wouldn’t have discovered the fraud. Which is just so fucking ironic, since one of the constants in the climategate scandal, is how hard the experts fought, the lengths they went to, to prevent anyone else from being able to replicate their conclusions, their final product. As well as their secret conversations about how and how much to change the data. It’s no surprise the true supporter of climate alarmism sees nothing wrong in the climategate emails, or the data. They actually can’t see it. It’s not like they are liars, they actually are incapable of seeing a single thing that would disturb them in any way. The ignorance is complete, and untouchable. We see the same thing in the insipid idiocy that usually passes for an internet discussion, about anything climate related. Even the smallest fact, it has to be decided if it fits the official narrative, in which case it must be defended, or if it doesn’t, it must be attacked with out end. And if you start mocking the entire thing? Oh fuck, even the most humorless moron will stir his jaded drug addled mind to join the fray. It’s like a magnet for idiots with time to burn, unless it means they have to actually do some study, and maybe think about something. Like the article I linked to. Your internet fuckhead won’t read it. They don’t need to. They already made up their mind, don’t try and confuse them with facts. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4330 "2015-06-22T14:39:59Z")
Jumping to the tense part of the story, we see an all too human situation. > [@](#): > > Broockman wasn’t sure what to do. He started to bring up his concerns with other friends and advisers (about a dozen of them), and they mostly told him one of two things: Either there was a reasonable explanation for the anomalies, in which case bringing attention to them would risk harming Green and especially the less established LaCour unnecessarily; or something really was fishy, in which case it still wouldn’t be in Broockman’s interest to risk being seen as challenging LaCour’s work. There was almost no encouragement for him to probe the hints of weirdness he’d uncovered. In fact, he quickly found himself nervous about openly discussing his reservations at all. [The Case of the Amazing Gay-Marriage Data: How a Graduate Student Reluctantly Uncovered a Huge Scientific Fraud](http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-uncovered-a-huge-fraud.html) No fucking shit. Your average ignorant fuckhead actually thinks there is Nobel Prize waiting for the person who brings down the temperature fraud. When nothing could be further from the truth. It’s not like it’s a secret, or even hidden at this point. You can simply look at the “data” from HADCRUT, NOAA, GISS or BEST, and compare it with the satellite data, and the problem is simply obvious. None of it matches. None of it. None of the data sets match. And the most recent “data” really diverges. Then they change it, and it is even worse. It’s not some conspiracy, but it’s some certain bullshit at work somewhere. In the most essential sense, you can’t have a dozen different presentations of “climate change” that don’t match. Especially when the best, and longest series of temperature records show that the planet has not warmed out of control. In fact, far from it. At some point, reality is going to catch up to the fraud. The real irony is that there is already a large, a very large group of scientific minded people, who suspect, or know, that there is some seriously fucked up fraud going on. Just as there is a large group that is 100% sure there isn’t a bit of fraud, and anyone who is asking questions must have a bad motive and hate science. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was … ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4331 "2015-06-22T15:19:20Z")
Yes, of course! Fraudulent science for gay marriage, fraudulent science for “global warming”, it all fits together when you connect the dot! And how much do we _really_ know about this Galileo fellow? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4332 "2015-06-22T15:39:51Z")
Political science isn’t real science … or it’s the science of fraud, or a fraudulent science … not really a pseudoscience since they really don’t even try to dress it up as science. I think your analogy breaks down at some point. We can start with the whole notion that taking surveys of people is somehow “scientific”, it’s not, profoundly self-selective. Any results must be qualified as “among those who would take a survey.” The equivalent in climatology would be if Duluth, MN, refused to report their weather instrument readings. That just doesn’t happen. Another mistake is accepting a published peer-reviewed scientific paper as The Truth of our Great Spaghetti Monster. The publication is just the start of the process of vetting, there’s still the adversarial steps where some scientists try to confirm and others try to dismiss the results. The commercial media is going to jump at everything that sells antacid, they just skip the whole vetting part just to fill in the 24-hour news cycle. A great example is the extracting of dinosaur DNA from the guts of mosquitoes trapped in amber for 100 million years. The commercial media were all over this story making all kinds of insane claims, include a major cinema franchise starting with “Jurassic Park”. However, the scientific media was asking a few questions. It took about ten years, but several labs tried to duplicate the methods and got wildly different results, including one team extracted modern day tuna fish DNA from a 130 million year old piece of amber. Turns out the method was prone to contamination, like your lunch. Was this fraud by the original team, hell no, they honestly thought they were on to something and properly published their results … specifically so others _could_ try and disprove their conclusions. So concerning isolated cases of a little shading to the climate data being published, this all gets cleaned out as time moves on. Someone will do the experiment again and publish the correct results. The correction doesn’t sell antacid, so you’ll never hear about it in the commercial media. * * * Another thing that tickles me is when the Alarmists shove a science paper in my face claiming it’s the GSM own words. If you actually read the paper, you’ll learn the methodology is unique, never been tried before. It’s going to take years to confirm … ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4333 "2015-06-22T15:48:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And how much do we _really_ know about this Galileo fellow? He was a childhood friend of Pope Urban VIII, probably why Galileo didn’t have his guts pulled out of his body and set on fire. Instead Galileo was given house-arrest and prohibited from pursuing his ideas of a heliocentric solar system. The question is whether Urban VIII knew Galileo would use the time that remained in his life to finish his work on the equations of motion. He did and this is the basis for Sir Issac Newton’s 3 Laws of Motion. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4334 "2015-06-22T20:09:02Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > The commercial media were all over this story making all kinds of insane claims, include a major cinema franchise starting with “Jurassic Park”. I do hate it when my Stephen Spielberg-directed scientific documentaries turn out to be wrong. If I can’t believe such a deeply accurate depiction of real science as Jurassic Park…I mean geez, what _can_ I believe? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4335 "2015-06-23T00:37:15Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I do hate it when my Stephen Spielberg-directed scientific documentaries turn out to be wrong. If I can’t believe such a deeply accurate depiction of real science as Jurassic Park…I mean geez, what _can_ I believe? The real question is whether or not there is a velociraptor with frog DNA in FX’s driveway. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4336 "2015-06-23T00:48:04Z")
Dinosaur farts will doom us all. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4337 "2015-06-24T18:24:21Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Really, what is all of this babble about? It’s just a red herring, equating any questioning of the horrible science with being a rabid nutcase. It’s the level of discourse you find on the internet, where a self proclaimed brilliant mind equates taking a shit in the punch bowl with being clever and funny. Then all the fuckheads laugh and drink the punch, declaring it tastes great. This way your typical fuckhead avoids answering any salient point, because the great majority of people are actually idiots, they applaud and pat each other on the back, then burn some fossil fuels, and blame everybody else for not doing something. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4338 "2015-06-24T18:33:52Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Why would it be “ironic” to use a term that indicates your failure to account for the whole of a system, rather than just one small part of the system? > > You point to one local effect, and then say that it disproves global warming. What you are doing is actually a fraud, but since that isn’t actually covered under any rule here, you can keep doing it. Even so, fraudulent claims and illogical reasoning actually can teach us something. At the very least, what to avoid doing. When somebody focuses on record cold, a cooling trend, a most unexpected increase in snow extent, and very cold winters, the handwaving is all about “that’s just one region, it means nothing”. But when the focus is on the drought in the American west, the same person who ignores an extreme event, now wants a localized event to mean something globally. Using the fuckheads logic, we can dismiss the California drought, because globally there is actually more rain falling, and **an increase in stream and river flow** , so there isn’t a drought, globally. That’s actually how the fuckhead thinks. Yes, this exact same logic is used to ignore and dismiss cold and snow, but the fuckhead doing it can’t see it is exactly what the alarmists always is doing. Every heat wave, drought, warm winter or “extreme” weather event is blamed on global warming. But anything deemed “against global warming” is completely dismissed, “because it’s not global”. And the complete fuckhead can’t see what they are doing. It’s hilarious. Then when you show them an actual global situation, that goes completely against the theory, they switch to something else. I understand exactly what happens, their brain is doing it, they are not aware of what is happening in their own mind of course. It’s not that the facts get in, and they think about them, then reject them, it all happens before any thought occurs. This switch gets thrown, the information never even makes it to the cognition centers. It’s why facts simply won’t matter at all. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4339 "2015-06-24T18:57:30Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > It’s just a red herring, equating any questioning of the horrible science with being a rabid nutcase. It’s the level of discourse you find on the internet, where a self proclaimed brilliant mind equates taking a shit in the punch bowl with being clever and funny. > > Then all the fuckheads laugh and drink the punch, declaring it tastes great. This way your typical fuckhead avoids answering any salient point, because the great majority of people are actually idiots, they applaud and pat each other on the back, then burn some fossil fuels, and blame everybody else for not doing something. My irony meter just exploded. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4340 "2015-06-24T20:19:29Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > My irony meter just exploded. I don’t think it was irony. He finally just openly admitted to the game he’s played for 87 pages now. He certainly couldn’t have posted that with such little self awareness. I mean, no one’s that stupid, are they? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=216) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=218)