# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 219
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4361 "2015-06-25T20:41:46Z")
The well known period Hansen called the “Altithermal”, or the [HCO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum), is usually a pretty solid bit of science, with sea levels and ice records and pollen and sediment data and all kinds of solid evidence for the changes. [See here](http://paleobiology.si.edu/geotime/main/holocene2.html). When our planet was 2 to 4 degrees warmer than now, there was no runaway global warming or methane disaster, even when sea levels were much higher, and the arctic much warmer. Does this mean we are not fucked? I can’t say, because that warming isn’t understood, even with our best guess theory of solar insolation as driver of climate change, the truth is nobody actually knows. Hell, there are serious fights over every last thing these days, so that some say there was no warm period recently, or that the little ice age wasn’t really that cold, even recent changes are denied. It’s sickening really. Like the Wikipedia article I linked to. It actually says > [@](#): > > In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably colder than present day (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns). While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the tropics and areas of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average.[4] Which is horseshit, pure original research you will only find on Wikipedia. Nothing is out of bounds for the fuckheads who are trying to alarm you. They will say or do anything to promote their cause. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4362 "2015-07-09T15:39:10Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The well known period Hansen called the “Altithermal”, or the [HCO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum), is usually a pretty solid bit of science, with sea levels and ice records and pollen and sediment data and all kinds of solid evidence for the changes. [See here](http://paleobiology.si.edu/geotime/main/holocene2.html). When our planet was 2 to 4 degrees warmer than now, there was no runaway global warming or methane disaster, even when sea levels were much higher, and the arctic much warmer. > > Does this mean we are not fucked? I can’t say, because that warming isn’t understood, even with our best guess theory of solar insolation as driver of climate change, the truth is nobody actually knows. Strictly speaking you are correct, but there is actually a good basis for optimism. From the fact that the climate has been around for a long time, one can be pretty confident that it’s reasonably stable. If a rock has been in roughly the same place for a long time, is it more likely that the rock is at the bottom of a valley or at the top of a hill? The smart money is on the first choice. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4363 "2015-07-09T17:44:50Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Strictly speaking you are correct, but there is actually a good basis for optimism. I would agree, and I was quite surprised to find that my reasoning about the Altithermal and current changes was not only thought about, but actually stated in a paper, back in 1982. > [@](#): > > A key application of the sea level trend concerns the potential destruction of the marine West Antarctic ice sheet (1). It can be argued that the ice sheet is not close to disintegration, because it survived the Altithermal ( ~ 5000 years ago) when the global mean temperature was perhaps 1 deg C warmer than today. [http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1982/1982\_Gornitz\_etal\_1.pdf](http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1982/1982_Gornitz_etal_1.pdf) Certainly the past periods, where it was much warmer than current levels, did not lead to either a methane disaster, or run away feedbacks, or drastic worldwide drought. In fact, it was much warmer in the past, something the alarmists might grudgingly admit, but they quickly add “but the rate of change”, or “our current civilization and sea level”, or something, anything, to try and keep the fear going. Certainly if we see conditions return to the HCO levels, we can expect at least 3 meters of sea level rise. But this took thousands of years, so there is no chance any of us will even know if it happens. Of course it’s also possible warming will result in glaciers at high altitudes growing, which might result in sea levels dropping. (the models predict both Greenland and Antarctica will see increases in high altitude ice mass) With the recent findings of high non polar ice increasing at high altitudes, most likely due to an increase is snow, it’s actual an unknown what will happen. That the sun seems to be entering a grand minimum just makes it that much more uncertain. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4364 "2015-07-09T18:02:29Z")
Fascinating slideshow images on this [news report about the snow](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/07/us/remnant-of-bostons-brutal-winter-threatens-to-outlast-summer.html) (ice) still hanging around in Boston. Even with the black surface, large amounts of snow can last all summer. Which is how glaciers form. > [@](#): > > The well-insulated mound is actually quite chilly. Standing next to it is like standing next to a freezer with the door open. The gelid interior keeps any melting to a trickle. > > “Water coming off the mound was refreezing because this mass is so cold,” Mr. Nee said. “It’s its own little ecosystem.” ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4365 "2015-07-11T03:27:33Z")
“[California, prophet on the Golden Shores](http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_28462025/todd-dwyer-el-nino-be-careful-what-we)” ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4366 "2015-07-11T03:36:52Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > “[California, prophet on the Golden Shores](http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_28462025/todd-dwyer-el-nino-be-careful-what-we)” “Todd Dwyer is a high school economics teacher.” His credentials certainly check out. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4367 "2015-07-11T14:25:49Z")
> [@andros](#): > > “Todd Dwyer is a high school economics teacher.” > > His credentials certainly check out. ROFLMAO … Do you know what it takes to become a California high school economics teacher ??? No, I don’t know either, I think just a Bachelor degree and a two month teacher’s course … what else can you do with a 16[sup]th[/sup] Century French Literature degree? However, he is correct about the existence of these Atmospheric River events, except they are highly localized, say 25 to 50 miles wide. So that within this narrow band we can see truly amazing amounts of rainfall in a short period of time, at least compared to normal rainfall amounts for the West Coast (we don’t see tropical cyclones or steady-state thunderstorms). I’m looking at the Wikipedia article on [Floods in California](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods_in_California) and it lists the event our favorite high school economics teacher is referring to, but this looks like a localized event in the Sacramento area. The thing about predicting flooding rains in California every year is that eventually, I’ll be right !!! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4368 "2015-07-11T16:28:52Z")
Why would credentials matter in this case at all? Red Herring, but with out any reason really. [The pdf of the official report is here](http://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/pdffiles/ARkStorm_Summit_Handout_Final.pdf), and it’s chock full of scientific sources, and experts and such. “Scientists unveil a catastrophic winter storm scenario that could possibly overwhelm California’s flood protection system, and significantly disrupt Statewide social and economic systems.” [http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs\_top\_story/arkstorm-californias-other-big-one/](http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs_top_story/arkstorm-californias-other-big-one/) There is no doubt such a disaster will eventually occur, which is interesting. There isn’t any way to prepare for it. Aside from at the individual level, which means moving before it happens. Considering the effect on the entire country from such a disaster, it would actually be a national disaster of sorts. Except for the price spike would benefit other farmers, not effected. But knowing full well such events have happened, and they are actually how droughts end 40% of the time, it’s prudent to be honest about the possibility, and what will happen from such a rain event. Like with Texas. Droughts there almost always end with extreme tropical moisture, and flooding. Yet when it happened this year, some people were surprised. It certainly didn’t help that official prophets were predicting an eternal drought (from global warming of course). And just like in Texas and Arkansas and surrounding regions, when Cali does get relief (and the flooding that almost always occurs when it happens), some idiot will then blame the drought busting rains on global warming. Which is priceless. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4369 "2015-07-11T16:34:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Major news stations, weather channels, Web outlets and social media are all suddenly talking about the “atmospheric river” that is bringing deluge after deluge to California, as well as the coast of Washington. What is this thing? How rare is it? And how big of a threat could it be? Here are some answers. And see our graphics, below, taken from a brilliant and prescient feature article written by Michael Dettinger and Lynn Ingram in Scientific American in January 2013. > **[What Is This "Atmospheric River" That Is Flooding California?](https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/observations/what-is-this-atmospheric-river-that-is-flooding-california/)** > > The San Francisco Bay Area is getting flooded with relentless rain and strong winds, just like it did a week ago, and fears of rising water are now becoming very serious > [@](#): > > Not interested? In 1861 an atmospheric river that brought storms for 43 days turned California’s Central Valley into an inland sea 300 miles long and 20 miles wide. It reminds me of the tsunami situation in Japan. Even knowing full well it has happened multiple times before, people act now, as if it will not happen again. And they build and profit and then act surprised when it happens. It happens so frequently and with such surety, it is human nature. You might say the difference now is there is a boogieman to blame for the weather. But that is also something that has always happened. In the past other things were blamed. It’s very hard to grasp that mother nature just doesn’t give a flying fuck about human beings. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4370 "2015-07-11T20:32:02Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > . . . It reminds me of the tsunami situation in Japan. Even knowing full well it has happened multiple times before, people act now, as if it will not happen again. And they build and profit and then act surprised when it happens. . . . People build homes on the slopes of Vesuvius… Hell, the entire city of Seattle is at risk from Mt. Rainier. There just isn’t anything that can realistically be done about some risks. (But I do wish that states along the Mississippi River would empty out more water catchments, to absorb overflow in big floods. Big Miss. floods are absolutely known to recur, on a regular basis. The condemnation of some low-lying areas as water-meadows would be less costly than the damage we know will happen in the next big flood. And this has been known for well over a century.) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4371 "2015-07-11T21:13:19Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > People build homes on the slopes of Vesuvius… Yeah, but if somebody was building a multi reactor power plant there, wouldn’t that bother you? Like, a lot? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4372 "2015-07-11T22:11:32Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Yeah, but if somebody was building a multi reactor power plant there, wouldn’t that bother you? > > Like, a lot? Not at all … it’s all about risk/benefit … Sacramento can earn far more money during the 150 years to rebuild herself many times over … a little flood every once in a while is no great loss. Besides, it’s only the poor and middle class that suffer … the rich live up in the Auburn Hills … so very little risk, big big rewards … Dumping radionucleotides into the world’s oceans would keep humans from eating everything in them oceans … that would be GOOD for the oceans … because right now y’all are completely stripping all the life out of the oceans … a healthy dose of plutonium could only bring about recovery of said life. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4373 "2015-07-11T23:59:58Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Yeah, but if somebody was building a multi reactor power plant there, wouldn’t that bother you? > > Like, a lot? Yep! I wouldn’t build a power reactor on a steep slope of any mountain, but a recently-active volcano is that much worse. I also wouldn’t build one in the flood-plain of the Mississippi River, or below sea level in New Orleans. (Hades! I wouldn’t build a bloomin’ hen-house below sea level in New Orleans!) ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4374 "2015-07-12T18:19:05Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Back in 2013, when this topic started, [the ocean data showed the pause](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=-1&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0102&year1=1998&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob), as did [the land data](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=0102&year1=1998&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob). The current [ocean data](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=-1&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0102&year1=1998&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) still shows the problem for the theory. And the [land data](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=0102&year1=1998&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) really shows why the theory (and models) are completely wrong at this point. > > Looking at the global data still shows the huge disaster for the models, as well as current consensus theory. The warming that was believed to be due to greenhouse gas increase [is evident in the previous 18 year period](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0102&year1=1981&year2=1998&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob). Since the theory and models predict the most warming in the NH, during winter, and over land, we can see why it was considered evidence of greenhouse warming. > > With a vast increase since then of greenhouse gases, the warming should have increased, or at least continued the trend. But it didn’t. This is obvious even with the data being modified to make the past cooler. (that won’t effect recent trend data) > > [The obvious and extreme cooling](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0102&year1=1998&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) of areas that previously were showing drastic warming is ignored, denied, or handwaved away. But even changing the data can’t hide it. > > There is no way to avoid it, if you are honest and intelligent. The extreme cooling of NH winters isn’t going to go away just because they adjusted the past ocean temperatures. That’s part of the humor of it all. > > Note that if we look at [the thirty year trend data](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=0102&year1=1986&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) the warming of the western US shows up clearly, as does the cooling of the central, east and southern regions. > > This shows up clearly in the NCDC data as well. Snow fall and snow cover data matches the colder temperatures, which is the other big reason the theory is wrong. Basic global warming theory does not, and can not, explain colder winters with much more snow. > > Which brings us back to Cohen and his model/theory, which does not say there is no warming (there clearly is), but explains the increasing cold and snow by using a negative feedback from early and heavy Siberian snow cover, leading to the much colder conditions for large parts of the NH winter. > > [The complete lack of cold season warming](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=-1&sst=1&type=trends&mean_gen=01105&year1=1998&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) for the oceans is also impossible under the current greenhouse theory. As is [the cooling shown for land](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=1204&year1=1996&year2=2015&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob). We should be observing the most warming during the cold season, not the NH warm season. (and the warm season shows a lot of warming) > > No amount of trolls or idiot insults will change this. > **[Arctic Ice: Going, Going…](https://slate.com/technology/2013/05/arctic-sea-ice-global-warming-is-melting-more-ice-every-year.html)** > > It’s no surprise to regular readers I am quite concerned about climate change. My concern on this issue is two-fold: one consists of the actual global... ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4375 "2015-07-12T18:42:07Z")
What would Phil know? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4376 "2015-07-13T00:11:11Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > [Arctic sea ice: Global warming is melting more ice every year](http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/05/28/arctic_sea_ice_global_warming_is_melting_more_ice_every_year.html) > [@](#): > > A computer climate model by the National Center for Atmospheric Research predicts an ice-free Arctic by 2040. Are you aware of this computer model having made interesting bona fide predictions which turned out to be accurate? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4377 "2015-07-13T02:53:05Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > [Arctic sea ice: Global warming is melting more ice every year](http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/05/28/arctic_sea_ice_global_warming_is_melting_more_ice_every_year.html) Maybe Phil doesn’t ship things from Europe to China much. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4378 "2015-07-17T16:00:31Z")
[Global warming possibly breaks records in Australia](http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-17/thick-snow-blankets-southern-queensland/6626630) But there is no way to actually know, sort of. > [@](#): > > “It’s a difficult thing for us to keep track of how much snow actually falls in some of these places. Often they’re quite isolated and we don’t have reliable observations,” he said. That does seem to be a problem for much of Australia, they just don’t have good records, or much covergae. > [@](#): > > BoM said it would take some time to get an exact figure because Queensland had no heated rain gauges. > > It said the bureau’s official observer in Stanthorpe would have to put the gauge in warm weather to melt the snow, and measure the amount of water left behind. Or you could use a ruler before it melts. But in any case, Global Warming is once again destroying mankind. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4379 "2015-07-17T16:09:17Z")
Does that sound idiotic? Blaming weather on global warming? Yes, yes it does. Especially cold and snow. Blaming weather on global warming is bad enough, but blaming record cold, or snow, or ice, or record cold and sea ice, on global warming sounds even worse. Like blaming a record cold high temperature (Tmax) on global warming, which is exactly how this topic started off. The thing is, I see actual climate experts do this. Blame record cold and snow on global warming. After it happens of course, no consensus climate scientist ever predicted record cold and increased snow fall on global warming, **before it happened**. But, and this is very unknown, there were some scientist who predicted this, and they did it in 1956. And in 1976. They were of course dismissed as wrong. Because their theory was considered wrong. And then there is Cohen (and a few others now) who predicted such things (based on theory) in 2004, or 2005, it’s hard to actually say. Even more surprising, some wrote about it in the 1930’s, and 40’s. Not Australia getting record cold and snow, but the idea that a warming ice free arctic ocean could influence the weather. Cause more snow and make winters colder. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4380 "2015-07-17T17:45:39Z")
Which is, of course, how scientific inquiry works. You develop your entire theory, write it down on a piece of parchment, and lock it away in a vault. There it sits, immutable for all eternity. Nothing is ever updated, nobody changes their position, everything is set in stone. This sacrosanct tradition is what has given us all of our technological and medical advances. We see it on full-color display in this thread. **FX** has developed (to put it charitably) his “theory” (feeling especially generous today), and despite the embarrassment of evidence to the contrary, he’s chained to it. Sad, really, but that’s science. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=218) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=220)