# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 221
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4401 "2015-07-22T16:23:19Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Sorry, I nodded off. Were you saying something? While I appreciate **FX’s** contribution to the issue here, and think his position has been both misunderstood and mischaracterized, this made me laugh. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4402 "2015-07-22T16:25:12Z")
> [@statij](#): > > No, actually it’s just most people’s reaction to you. Nobody except your one remaining toady gives a fuck what you think. Yet, you felt compelled to read what he wrote and comment on it. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4403 "2015-07-22T16:34:47Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Yet, you felt compelled to read what he wrote and comment on it. Interesting. I don’t think many people who comment here bother to actually read anything **Fuxsie** says anymore. And it has nothing to do with lack of interest in global warming; it has to do with lack of interest in feeding a troll. ---
**Author:** ![statij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@statij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statij)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4404 "2015-07-22T16:35:14Z")
My mistake. Two toadies. Guilty, I read one sentence. Not the wall of garbage. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4405 "2015-07-22T16:36:39Z")
> [@statij](#): > > My mistake. Two toadies. > > Guilty, I read one sentence. Not the wall of garbage. Then how do you know it’s garbage? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4406 "2015-07-22T16:39:19Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I don’t think many people who comment here bother to actually read anything **Fuxsie** says anymore. And it has nothing to do with lack of interest in global warming; it has to do with lack of interest in feeding a troll. How do you define troll? I’m never sure what people mean by that. I thought it meant someone who intentionally posts things simply to antagonize people. Right or wrong, that doesn’t seem to be what **FX** is doing here. So, how do you mean it? ---
**Author:** ![statij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@statij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statij)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4407 "2015-07-22T16:41:04Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Then how do you know it’s garbage? Because I used to read this thread occasionally. It became clear about 60 pages ago. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4408 "2015-07-22T16:43:05Z")
> [@statij](#): > > Because I used to read this thread occasionally. It became clear about 60 pages ago. So you came back to read one line that you didn’t know was there until you read it. Impressive skills! ---
**Author:** ![statij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@statij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statij)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4409 "2015-07-22T16:47:04Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So you came back to read one line that you didn’t know was there until you read it. > > Impressive skills! Yes. It’s really not all that tricky. Is this a gotcha of some sort? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4410 "2015-07-22T18:40:29Z")
The current situation in [Frobisher Bay](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Frobisher+Bay,+Baffin,+Unorganized,+NU,+Canada/@62.7176631,-66.583333,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x4c2dbccb0b2946af:0x60eefca2846aa07a) is interesting. Along with the Hudson Bay, we are seeing very high levels and late melting of sea ice. [This year](http://1.usa.gov/1Ilw0Yv), compared to [last year](http://1.usa.gov/1HJCKMh). Startling. And easy to see why the capital city at the end of the bay is having trouble receiving much needed supplies. [The sea ice is preventing shipping still](http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ice-conditions-hold-up-resupply-of-iqaluit-east-hudson-bay-1.3161723), and they had to call back an icebreaker [due to heavy late ice](http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ccgs-amundsen-re-routed-to-hudson-bay-to-help-with-heavy-ice-1.3162900?cmp=rss). This is due to the unusual cold, [which we know for sure is the reason for more ice](http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150720114945.htm). I actually think the scientist who are “surprised” by the rapid increase in Arctic sea ice are actually surprised. They tend to not question the consensus, or know much about the history of arctic ice. Much like the current idiot spew about the sun not being able to influence the world, it really seems the new generation of experts have actually brainwashed themselves, and groupthink really has corrupted the scientific method, for more than a few people. Science is eventually self correcting, but it’s rare that anyone ever admits they were simply wrong. Like the example I used from the solar predictions, which were dead wrong. It’s human nature to not want to discuss being wrong. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4411 "2015-07-22T18:54:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > … it really seems the new generation of experts have actually brainwashed themselves, and groupthink really has corrupted the scientific method, for more than a few people… And that’s it? That’s your explanation for the consensus in the scientific community in agreement? They’re all brainwashed, but not you? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4412 "2015-07-22T19:07:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And that’s it? That’s your explanation for the consensus in the scientific community in agreement? They’re all brainwashed, but not you? Needing the junk washed out of his brain would explain things. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4413 "2015-07-23T03:05:31Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Much like the current idiot spew about the sun not being able to influence the world, it really seems the new generation of experts have actually brainwashed themselves, and groupthink really has corrupted the scientific method, for more than a few people. Carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere doesn’t have the ability to create energy where there was none before … only the sun can do that … everything about climate starts there … it’s the First Law of Thermodynamics … and it can _never_ be violated. If you think it can be violated, then you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2015, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4414 "2015-07-24T11:02:17Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That’s why I find the general consensus of scientists on this issue to be so convincing. What exactly is the “general consensus”? It’s fascinating how people can be convinced of something they aren’t even able to describe. > [@](#): > > I say “seems to believe” because I’m not entirely sure just what it is he _does_ believe. But whatever it is, he believes it with great certainty and belligerence. Lol, looks like you get the unintentionally ironic post of the week award. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4415 "2015-07-24T15:42:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So why are so many scientists so totally wrong, according to you? Were they bought off by the unions, and seduced by Al Gore’s massive wealth? There is a clear consensus, and it isn’t yours. What exactly is this “clear consensus”? Are you able to spell it out? If not, then it’s not really a “clear consensus.” > [@](#): > > I’m not entirely sure just what it is he does believe. But whatever it is, he believes it with great certainty and belligerence. Amazing that this thought could pass through your brain unchecked. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4416 "2015-07-24T16:12:27Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I think the problem with science developing is the gold standard of falsifiability, proof by experiment and data. I see a much larger problem, which is defined as “science” which is immune to any experiment, or data. And as we can see, “science” which can’t even be defined. > [@elucidator](#): > > That’s why I find the general consensus of scientists on this issue to be so convincing. That, and the fact that the consensus emerged from being widely discounted to being widely accepted, as more and more data becomes available. As I explained, a lot of science is done that can never be experimented on, everything from the sun to pretty much everything distant in the Universe. Actual science is not limited by not being able to experiment. Observation and measurement is a very important part of science, Observing the curvature of spacetime during an eclipse was considered evidence of a new theory. Saying we can’t know because we can’t experiment with the Universe is absurd. It’s the same thing with climate and earth science. We can’t experiment on the planet, but this is not some absolute barrier to knowing. > [@elucidator](#): > > **FX** seems to believe that if we cannot prove it in the manner we would prefer we are free to believe that it just ain’t so, not proven. We do that at our peril. Maybe it’s because you can’t read, or understand what is being discussed. Why you would think that is beyond me. I can’t experiment or gather data on why you would be so wrong, but that isn’t a barrier to trying to fathom your ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4417 "2015-07-24T16:22:40Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Amazing that this thought could pass through your brain unchecked. Cite that has a brain? I’m leaning strongly that he’s a bot created by infusing the comedy styles of Henny Youngman and Rob Schneider. Given that Rob Schneider is synonym for anti-funny, “Elucidator” is what you get. And thinking that there’s any discussion to be had beyond why his arms are so tired (he just flew in last night—ba-dop-BOP) is faulty thinking. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4418 "2015-07-24T22:09:56Z")
Pope Francis thinks global warming is causing an increase in human trafficking … ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4419 "2015-07-27T18:21:01Z")
He’s right of course. When one thing happens, and another thing happens at the same time, one caused the other. This is science, as well as everyday logic. There is no way to be able to tell if one thing causes another, except for them happening at the same time. Everybody knows this, only deniers would question such obvious reality. It’s why you can know global warming is causing something. Like if there is a record cold Tmin (minimum daily temperature reading) in June in Boston, like just happened, [June 28 2015](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBOS/2015/6/28/DailyHistory.html), you know it’s because of global warming, because global warming is happening, so everything that we observe is from global warming. Except for positive things, they are natural variation, or something else, but all the bad things are from global warming. Like a drop in damaging hurricanes. That isn’t global warming, but if there is a hurricane that causes a lot of damage, that is form global warming. You can ever prove this using books. Yes, books. You use Google Ngram viewer, which lets you search books for words or phrases. Don’t take my word for it. it’s fucking science, [which is obvious from looking at this web page about it](https://theconversation.com/googles-vast-library-reveals-the-rising-tide-of-climate-related-words-in-literature-45056). > [@](#): > > We have just published an analysis that shows a couple of interesting ways in which we humans have responded to rising global temperatures. > > It turns out that, as well as tree rings, corals and other traditional proxy indicators of climate change, the history of global warming also shows up in humans’ literary endeavours. You see? They published an analysis, and they wouldn’t do that if it wasn’t true. So looking at how often words are used proves just how much climate change and global warming is happening. Don’t deny it, you know it’s true. > [@](#): > > While trends in word choice may be difficult to explain, it’s plain from a quick look at the Ngram Viewer that the topics we discuss correlate with events of the physical and social worlds. We can see, for example, major peaks in the use of the word “earthquake” in the years immediately following the 1906 San Francisco and 1931 Fuyun earthquakes: See? You don’t have to take their word for it. You can use the Ngram viwer yourself, in which [we can see how the 1989 San Francisco quake shows up clearly in words](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=earthquake%2Cearthquakes&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1980&year_end=2008&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cearthquake%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bearthquake%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BEarthquake%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BEARTHQUAKE%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cearthquakes%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bearthquakes%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BEarthquakes%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BEARTHQUAKES%3B%2Cc0). Isn’t that sweet? So obviously the amount of words is a good proxy for things like earthquakes, global warming and climate change. The examples of [flooding](https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/89340/width668/image-20150722-1447-z49cc0.png) and [heat waves](https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/89341/width668/image-20150722-1487-1uin54r.png) they show are impossible to deny. They almost exactly match the temperature record! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4420 "2015-07-27T18:48:44Z")
The wondrous thing about irony, or sarcasm, is that the target often doesn’t get it, but those who understand language, intelligence and something about how the world actually works, get a chuckle. Well I hope they do, because otherwise what’s the point? Or maybe it just makes us feel better to poke some fun at blowhards and idiots who spew pseudoscience online like a goddamn fire hose. It makes me feel better, and that’s the important thing. It’s also funny that the fuckhead alarmist won’t actually read anything much less follow the links, to get the joke. Because in this case it’s really fucking funny. They use “flooding” to show an absolute [significant connection between global warming and flooding](https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/89341/width668/image-20150722-1487-1uin54r.png). It’s Science! But when you actually check, and look at all kinds of terms, like [flood damage](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=flood+damage&year_start=1880&year_end=2008&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cflood%20damage%3B%2Cc0), or [terrible flood](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=terrible+flood&year_start=1880&year_end=2008&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cterrible%20flood%3B%2Cc0), or [record flood](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=record+flood&year_start=1880&year_end=2008&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Crecord%20flood%3B%2Cc0), you know, to check and see if words in books actually match events, the whole thing starts to look unscientific in the extreme. The fuckhead won’t ever be able to grasp this, so there is no joy in explaining it. It’s still something to beef about, but thinking the facts will matter is an exercise in frustration. But the Ngram viewer actually is an awesome tool, and if you didn’t know about it already, you do now. You can use it to easily see the history of the [greenhouse theory](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=greenhouse+theory&year_start=1880&year_end=2008&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cgreenhouse%20theory%3B%2Cc0) (AGW, global warming theory, theory of global warming). Yes, that [greenhouse theory of global warming](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=greenhouse+theory+of+climate+change&year_start=1880&year_end=2008&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cgreenhouse%20theory%20of%20climate%20change%3B%2Cc0) shows up. And wouldn’t it be great if words were an actual proxy for what is happening, or has happened? We could look at all kinds of things, and note a decrease or increase, **and claim it proves something!** Like [winter storms](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=winter+storm&year_start=1880&year_end=2008&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cwinter%20storm%3B%2Cc0), or [record snowfall](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=record+snowfall&year_start=1880&year_end=2008&corpus=17&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Crecord%20snowfall%3B%2Cc0), and then publish a study showing how words prove it is getting colder, with more winter storms. Because science [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=220) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=222)