# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 229
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4561 "2015-08-18T19:09:11Z")
> [@](#): > > …That fact has been highlighted in a major report on climate change released by the White House this week… So _that’s_ how they are hiding the truth from us! Devilishly clever! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4562 "2015-08-18T20:26:44Z")
And what is the takeaway from this nugget of information? Does it disprove GW? Is that why all those scientists who previously thought GW was a fact are bailing out by the truckload? And if they are not, then, can we assume that they have not been informed of this startling truth? Or may we assume that they don’t think of it as being the Big Hairy Ass Deal you think it is? Perhaps you should print out your posts and pin them to nearby glaciers, so they stop their mendacious melting. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4563 "2015-08-19T02:14:31Z")
The 95 feces? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4564 "2015-08-19T03:29:32Z")
Martin Luther did (historical fact) suffer from constipation. So, maybe… ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4565 "2015-08-19T12:16:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And what is the takeaway from this nugget of information? Does it disprove GW? Is that why all those scientists who previously thought GW was a fact are bailing out by the truckload? And if they are not, then, can we assume that they have not been informed of this startling truth? Or may we assume that they don’t think of it as being the Big Hairy Ass Deal you think it is? > > Perhaps you should print out your posts and pin them to nearby glaciers, so they stop their mendacious melting. What **FX** posted is what’s called a counter-example. If your AGW theory says one thing, but we observe another, then it’s up to you to explain the whys and hows of this counter-example. If you can’t, then your AGW theory is wrong, at least as currently stated. It’s part of the back and forth process used in actual science. Where would we be today if Albert Einstein called Edwin Hubble a poopy-head and a relativity denier and an _ **Adolph Hitler** _ stoogie? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4566 "2015-08-19T12:20:02Z")
What a wonderful church door – for me to POST ON! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4567 "2015-08-19T14:47:46Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Where would we be today if Albert Einstein called Edwin Hubble a poopy-head and a relativity denier and an _ **Adolph Hitler** _ stoogie? An interesting thought experiment. If the internet had been around in 1920, the fuckheads of the Pit would probably be mocking Hubble, and supporting either Shapley or Curtis, all the while not doing any research or even thinking about the large issues being debated. Just like how the vast majority here have no idea what that even means, it wouldn’t matter. The ignorant gotta troll and beg for attention, even when they don’t have a fucking clue about anything scientific. Shapley’s estimated the size of the universe at 300,000 light-years in diameter. And Curtis believed it was ten times smaller than that! In 1923 Hubble simply measured the distance to a Cepheid variable and found it was 900,000 light-years away, which was the end of Shapley or Curtis, even though they both were partly right about their theories. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4568 "2015-08-19T15:01:17Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The ignorant gotta troll and beg for attention, even when they don’t have a fucking clue about anything. Well, thank you for finally admitting to your behavior. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4569 "2015-08-19T15:18:48Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > An interesting thought experiment. If the internet had been around in 1920, the fuckheads of the Pit would probably be mocking Hubble, and supporting either Shapley or Curtis, all the while not doing any research or even thinking. More likely some ignorant fuckstick would start a thread called “I’m sick of this relativity” and would cite, over 1,500 posts, Arthur Patschke’s research on ether particles as contrary evidence to Einstein. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4570 "2015-08-19T15:30:52Z")
Looks like we are in for another no-hurricane season…I thought AGW would cause massive storms? oh well, , the theory is right, but the results don’t match it. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4571 "2015-08-19T16:08:13Z")
The NOAA is forecasting 1-4 Atlantic hurricanes this season. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4572 "2015-08-19T16:10:03Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Looks like we are in for another no-hurricane season…I thought AGW would cause massive storms? oh well, , the theory is right, but the results don’t match it. Global warming alarmists with a grain of sense have generally shied away from such predictions, since it’s well established that total cyclone energy has had no observable trend over the last 40 years. Cite: [Hurricane & Tropical Cyclones | Weather Underground](http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/accumulated_cyclone_energy.asp?basin=al) That said, any time a big storm comes up, a Katrina or a Sandy, you’ll get fanatics coming out of the woodwork saying global warming was the cause. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4573 "2015-08-19T16:12:33Z")
> [@neuroman](#): > > That said, any time a big storm comes up, a Katrina or a Sandy, you’ll get fanatics coming out of the woodwork saying global warming was the cause. Because weather is climate, a lesson alarmists have hammered home in so many ways, so many times. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4574 "2015-08-19T16:20:24Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > What **FX** posted is what’s called a counter-example. If your AGW theory says one thing, but we observe another, then it’s up to you to explain the whys and hows of this counter-example. If you can’t, then your AGW theory is wrong, at least as currently stated. It’s part of the back and forth process used in actual science… Ah! Then that would certainly explain why the scientific community is all buzzing about this counter-example, how previously supportive scientists have recanted their error to align themselves with the \*\*FX-watchwolf \*\*faction. Wait, what? They aren’t? Well, gosh, wouldn’t that mean that this little factoid nugget is not a Big Hairy Ass Deal? Or maybe the truth has been suppressed by the awesome power of the warmist conspiracy? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4575 "2015-08-19T19:38:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ah! Then that would certainly explain why the scientific community is all buzzing about this counter-example, how previously supportive scientists have recanted their error to align themselves with the \*\*FX-watchwolf \*\*faction. > > Wait, what? They aren’t? Well, gosh, wouldn’t that mean that this little factoid nugget is not a Big Hairy Ass Deal? Or maybe the truth has been suppressed by the awesome power of the warmist conspiracy? I guess you don’t understand the Hubble reference then? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4576 "2015-08-19T19:46:33Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I guess you don’t understand the Hubble reference then? To understand it would mean effort, and one thing the know-it-all attention whore never desires, is putting forth effort. Just typing out whatever fuckhead notion that pops into their musty mind is considered more than enough. I mean, it’s actually like they believe typing it out makes it true. It really bites the fuckhead in the ass when faced with sources, data and reasons, because it takes effort, and at least a modest amount of education to follow along at that point. Faced with effort, the less than modest fuckhead sticks with what he knows, some short quips and self proclaimed cleverness, which is often enough for his fuckhead buddies to grasp, and that’s the important thing. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4577 "2015-08-19T20:07:36Z")
Yeah, you two are just like Edwin Hubble. Except for that whole education thing, PhD in his field of research, following the scientific method, building on others’ research, undergoing peer review, etc. Yup, in 50 years, I’m sure both you guys will be on stamps as the saviors of the global warming crisis, the only people who were brave enough to spew out random facts and data points and pretend it supported some nonexistent hypothesis. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4578 "2015-08-19T20:17:04Z")
In regards to all things climate and global warming related, the effort to look at it is more than enough reward for my time. Because there are so many interesting things, and such an abundance of resources available to us all now. When we read something such as: > [@](#): > > [The observed lack of twentieth-century warming in the central United States (CUS), denoted here as the “warming hole,”](http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI3848.1) we can with ease actually observe the sort of data the scientist used to work so hard at collecting and looking at, which now is as easy as a click here or there. We can “see” the sort of thing they are discussing, in a manner a print copy can’t deliver. We actually have vast resources, and can replicate and investigate the matters being presented. You, I, anyone can do it. It’s a brave new world. For example, when they discuss the unusual Tmax trend, a source of much discussion and study, we can see what they mean. [Like for our poor downtrodden Georgia](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/09/00/tmax/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014), the unfortunate subject of the OP of this laborious thread of great length and little fury. This assumes of course the links work correctly, which they certainly do not at times. [This should be the Tmin trend](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/09/00/tmin/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014), showing the lack of warming. [This should be the Tmax trend](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/09/00/tmax/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014), showing the cooling. If they fail to produce, the clever man can easily plot the correct data, while the fuckhead of course, won’t even know. They neither read nor follow links to sources. Why should they? After all, they know best, or at least trust their superiors in all matters global warming, and they have assured them drastic warming is happening, so nothing could change that. Especially not the facts. Is [this](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/01/00/tmax/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014) even the warming hole [mentioned in the papers](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2004GL020528/full)? [1] > [@](#): > > In the last 25 years of the 20th century most major land regions experienced a summer warming trend, but the central U.S. cooled by 0.2–0.8 K. Now it’s the central US, but the other papers was about the southeast! > [@](#): > > A linear trend calculated for observed annual mean surface air temperatures over the United States for the second-half of the twentieth century shows [a slight cooling over the southeastern part of the country](http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00655.1), the so-called warming hole, One can see it’s complicated, confusing, it will require effort just to even follow along, far more to take up arms against what might seem a serious challenge to a theory, the theory, a theory as rock solid as gravity or evolution, if we are to believe the fuckhead propagandist and his minions of doom. Haha, I crack myself up. But MORE SCIENCE BITCHES! Just how far does the hole reach? [Mississippi](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/22/00/tmax/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014)? [Arkansas](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/03/00/tmax/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014)? Surely [not Illinois](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/11/00/tmax/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014)? Some say the southeast, but yet [the Ohio Valley climate region](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/103/00/tmax/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014) also shows it. How is that possible? Can [the upper Midwest also exhibit this hole effect](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/102/00/tmax/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014)? Don’t worry, the fuckhead long ago stopped reading. You probably know more about the warming hole now that 99.999% of the people arguing over climate change do. And that is fucking awesome. It really is. **The links to anything other than the complete record trend line, using the NCDC data, will not work** , which is why the are so rarely used. The trend period never works in links, you have to set it yourself, and that is far too much effort to ask, even the casual reader would be offended. But anyone who cares to look, can click away. It’s like in 1923, when Hubble was measuring his first bright variable star, getting a measurement of 900,000 light years away. It’s like we can peer over his shoulder and see what he was seeing. And for the next six years, as he carefully measured stars, Shapley called his finding junk science, right up until poor Shapley found himself doomed, and his theory a disgrace. Nobody will ever name a telescope after Shapley. The awesome thing today is, you actually can look right into the heart of the matter, and see for yourself. Now that is fucking awesome. It really is. Like when they say > [@](#): > > [Twentieth-century CUS trends were positive for the great majority of simulations, but were negative, as observed, for seven simulations.](http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI3848.1)Only a few simulations exhibited the observed rapid rate of warming (cooling) during 1901–40 (1940–79). You can actually run climate models yourself, and look at what they are talking about. The models actually run on other computers of course, but you can see the results on your computer. It’s fucking awesome. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4579 "2015-08-19T20:34:17Z")
Oh those lovable fuckheads! A never ending source of amusement and gentle laughter. > [@TroutMan](#): > > Yeah, you two are just like Edwin Hubble. It helps to remember that Hubble was quite wrong in his details, but certainly right in his conclusions. > [@](#): > > While working at Mount Wilson, Hubble proved that other galaxies existed outside of the Milky Way, where Earth is located, by taking photos through the observatory’s Hooker telescope and comparing the varying degrees of luminosity among Cepheid variable stars. There had been no clear idea of the Milky Way’s size at the time, and through his research, **Hubble was able to estimate that the Andromeda Nebula (thought of simply as a spiral at the time) was nearly 900,000 light years away from the Milky Way, thus it had to be its own galaxy.** The Andromeda Nebula was later proven to be much farther away, at nearly 2.48 million light years (through further analyses of the spacial indications of stars’ light). > **[Edwin Hubble - Family, Facts & Discoveries](https://www.biography.com/scientists/edwin-hubble)** > > Astronomer Edwin Hubble revolutionized the field of astrophysics. His research helped prove that the universe is expanding, and he created a classification system for galaxies that has been used for several decades. So he was way way off about the distance, but certainly right about the basics, that there were other galaxies, and they were far away, outside of our own. He should have received the Nobel prize of course, but at the time, Astronomy just didn’t count to the Nobel peeps. But no matter, the lesson will never be learned by fuckheads, if they could learn, they wouldn’t be a fuckhead! It’s logic! ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4580 "2015-08-19T20:56:26Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > There is no warming trend for Atlanta, or Georgia. There is no warming trend occurring there, fast or in any other way. Global warming. How hard is it to grasp? Even if the concept was continental-USA-warming these trends would be consistent with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=228) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=230)