# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 230
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4581 "2015-08-19T20:58:00Z")
My actual point is that a scientific consensus remains, and it does not favor your position. And you have no answer for that, save to shrilly insist that you have proven otherwise. Why is that? Tell us why so very many of those people with their Ph.D.s fail to understand your brilliance. Do you deny that the consensus exists? Were they bribed by the great warmist conspirators, who’s funding dwarfs the petty cash of the Koch Bros., Exxon, Chevron, and BP? Keep in mind, most of those scientists, like most of the world at large, were initially skeptical, if not actually derisive regarding AGW. They changed their minds. Or, perhaps it is more accurate to say that their minds were changed by the relentless drip drip drip of data. As is so often the case, it went from No fucking way! to well, maybe to yep, pretty sure you’re right. Now, if you were to say that AGW is pretty much a proven thing but there are these anomalies which require further study, you would be on solid ground. _Are_ you saying that? Because the answer is likely along the lines of saying that the interaction between weather and climate is complex. (Saying “complex” in this is like saying WWII was noisy, and smallpox is bad.) Are you saying that this data you offer was suppressed by the Warmist Conspiracy? That as soon as those scientists who have signed off on the consensus find out, they will throw aside AGW without hesitation? I guess that would mean that you have sources denied to them. Or simply that you are smarter than thousands upon thousands of accredited scientists. I am a warm and generous person by nature, so I’ll simply call that “implausible”. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4582 "2015-08-19T21:02:26Z")
> [@naita](#): > > Global warming. How hard is it to grasp? Even if the concept was continental-USA-warming these trends would be consistent with it. I’ve got “What part of ‘average’ don’t you understand?” on a one-button keyboard macro, solely for **FXMastermind** ’s benefit. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4583 "2015-08-19T21:06:59Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > How is that possible? Can [the upper Midwest also exhibit this hole effect](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/102/00/tmax/3/08/1895-2014?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1895&lasttrendyear=2014)? That’s a three month average, the twelve month average shows an increase, but again. Global warming. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4584 "2015-08-19T21:11:21Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Georgia sits firmly in what is described as “the warming hole”. A strange name, because it means the area that shows cooling, not warming. Do you also think the ozone hole should have been called the less-ozone hole and that donut holes are correctly named? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4585 "2015-08-19T22:45:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Keep in mind, most of those scientists, like most of the world at large, were initially skeptical, if not actually derisive regarding AGW. What the hell backward impoverished third-world nation do you come from, Virginia? I was downwind of UC Berkeley when the Ice Core data was published … skeptical wasn’t on the wind my friend. We’ve known about global warming for decades now. What do you mean by scientific consensus? Do you mean the consensus of climatologists participating in the IPCC write-up? If so, please state that … and don’t be afraid to say what that consensus is. The consensus of climatologists who allow themselves to be interviewed by NPR are all in agreement that there’s nothing yet directly tying AGW theory to any observable event. It “may” have something, it “could” be responsible, it “might have been” for AGW; nothing more definite can be said in the matter at this time. I think the rest of your post is directed to **FX** … I’m just holding the tail … ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4586 "2015-08-19T22:54:00Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Definitely not a place you want to share your religious views on climate change. Says the expert on climate change who doesn’t know what a scientific theory is. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4587 "2015-08-19T23:09:49Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > What the hell backward impoverished third-world nation do you come from, Virginia?.. Texas, actually. _From_ Texas. I left. > [@](#): > > …I was downwind of UC Berkeley when the Ice Core data was published … skeptical wasn’t on the wind my friend. We’ve known about global warming for decades now. > > What do you mean by scientific consensus? Do you mean the consensus of climatologists participating in the IPCC write-up? If so, please state that … and don’t be afraid to say what that consensus is. The consensus of climatologists who allow themselves to be interviewed by NPR are all in agreement that there’s nothing yet directly tying AGW theory to any observable event. It “may” have something, it “could” be responsible, it “might have been” for AGW; nothing more definite can be said in the matter at this time. > > I think the rest of your post is directed to **FX** … I’m just holding the tail … Wherein facts are stated that are not cited. Response to citation awaits citation. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4588 "2015-08-19T23:12:10Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > The consensus of climatologists who allow themselves to be interviewed by NPR are all in agreement that there’s nothing yet directly tying AGW theory to any observable event. Can you point me toward this interview or interviews? Assuming it actually exists, I’m going to guess they don’t actually say what you think they do. ETA: You aren’t just talking about the Judith Curry interview, are you? Because she is well outside the consensus of climatologists, and she was speaking of individual events and didn’t say anything quite as strong as “nothing directly tying AGW to any observable event.” Is that your hedge - “all climatologists who allow themselves to be interviewed by NPR,” and hey, what do you know, there’s only one I can find so it’s a consensus? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4589 "2015-08-19T23:41:39Z")
Citation for what, do you have a contrary claim and are just too shy to admit it? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4590 "2015-08-20T00:04:40Z")
Are you asking me or **elucidator**? I guess it doesn’t matter since we’re both quoting the same statement by you. I would like a cite for your claim that “the consensus of climatologists who allow themselves to be interviewed by NPR are all in agreement that there’s nothing yet directly tying AGW theory to any observable event.” My contrary claim (stated in my post, so no, I’m not shy) is that you made that up, are deliberately misinterpreting what was said by climatologists, or fail to comprehend what was said. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4591 "2015-08-20T02:40:57Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Are you asking me or **elucidator**? I guess it doesn’t matter since we’re both quoting the same statement by you. I would like a cite for your claim that “the consensus of climatologists who allow themselves to be interviewed by NPR are all in agreement that there’s nothing yet directly tying AGW theory to any observable event.” My contrary claim (stated in my post, so no, I’m not shy) is that you made that up, are deliberately misinterpreting what was said by climatologists, or fail to comprehend what was said. What am I misinterpreting? What is it I fail to comprehend? Why should I yard up a cite when you don’t demonstrate even the slightest of understanding. Do you know of a direct cause-and-effect event? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4592 "2015-08-20T02:49:57Z")
You made up a bullshit fact and got called on it. And that is quite possibly the lamest attempt to divert everyone’s attention from it that I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4593 "2015-08-20T13:08:13Z")
You’re just guessing … [giggle] … come on shy boy, say what you think AGW is. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4594 "2015-08-20T14:16:41Z")
Here’s your stupid citation then … [NPR story that agrees with everything I’ve said](http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=372900672&m=374764235) … the important part starts at 5:35 … enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4595 "2015-08-20T15:10:37Z")
Trollololol! ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4596 "2015-08-20T15:24:23Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Here’s your stupid citation then … [NPR story that agrees with everything I’ve said](http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=372900672&m=374764235) … the important part starts at 5:35 … enjoy. For anyone who doesn’t want to listen to the podcast, this was a link to _Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me_, a comedy show on NPR. [Here’s the transcript](http://www.npr.org/2015/01/03/372900672/lets-talk-about-the-weather), and the part at 5:35 that **watchwolf49** says proves his point: > [@](#): > > SAGAL: Well, new research out this week says there’s another threat to monogamy - what? > … > SAGAL: I’ll give you a hint. You could say it’s an inconvenient truth about love. > ROCCA: Oh, global warming. > SAGAL: Yes. > … > SAGAL: Dating site, Victoria Milan, asked 5,000 members if stress about the heating weather would cause them to cheat. Seventy-two percent said yes. > (LAUGHTER) Judge for yourself what you think of **watchwolf49’s** intentions in this thread. > [@watchwolf49](#): > > You’re just guessing … [giggle] … come on shy boy, say what you think AGW is. Someone sent me a PM to suggest your posts have all been a brilliant parody of **Fuxsie**. The sheer inanity does make me wonder: no idea what a scientific theory is, arguing that the earth is a black body and if we ignore the input of the sun then global warming is impossible, bald-faced lies about climatologists and the effects of global warming, etc. So if this is all making fun of the other troll in the thread, then bravo, I salute you. If not, then dude, you’re fucking weird and I’m done dealing with you. Giggle? Shy boy? Seriously, what the fuck. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4597 "2015-08-20T15:52:42Z")
Not only he got nothin’, he doesn’t even have the nothin’ he ain’t got! ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4598 "2015-08-21T06:19:15Z")
I have personally interviewed Ph.D. climate scientists. I do my best to parrot what they said on this topic. They didn’t talk about specific events, it seems to take the form of long-term trends. Carbon and methane increasing in the atmosphere. Polar ice melting. Oceans rising, over time. I’ll make a prediction, and stake my reputation on it. The climate delta of the arctic will increase as North polar ice melts away altogether in the summer months. Maybe the ice will only be gone for a week at first, then two. Then it will be gone for a month in the summer. You see the drift. The arctic is sinking a lot of heat into the melting of ice, namely 334.774 J/g [cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthalpy_of_fusion). Eventually the arctic will be ice-free during some portion of the year, during which the water will warm freely without the hindrance of melting ice. The period between the start of an ice-free arctic (and really, the period we’re in now, of shrinking arctic ice) to the period of an always ice-free arctic will exhibit an increasing climate delta out of the North arctic. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4599 "2015-08-21T13:41:53Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I have personally interviewed Ph.D. climate scientists. I do my best to parrot what they said on this topic. They didn’t talk about specific events, it seems to take the form of long-term trends. > > Carbon and methane increasing in the atmosphere. Polar ice melting. Oceans rising, over time. > > I’ll make a prediction, and stake my reputation on it. The climate delta of the arctic will increase as North polar ice melts away altogether in the summer months. Maybe the ice will only be gone for a week at first, then two. Then it will be gone for a month in the summer. You see the drift. > > The arctic is sinking a lot of heat into the melting of ice, namely 334.774 J/g [cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthalpy_of_fusion). Eventually the arctic will be ice-free during some portion of the year, during which the water will warm freely without the hindrance of melting ice. > > The period between the start of an ice-free arctic (and really, the period we’re in now, of shrinking arctic ice) to the period of an always ice-free arctic will exhibit an increasing climate delta out of the North arctic. The high arctic was ice-free around 1000 AD-Viking explorers ranged as far north as Ellesmere Island (Viking cairns have been found there). Southern Greenland was forested, and rye could be grown there. Somehow, the Arctic managed to warm itself-without benefit of human-produced CO2. And the “hottest July”-by 1/7 of a degree? Surely, this is a jest! BTW, melting coastal ice in Greenland is making mining and mineral exploration possible-looks like things are looking up for the poor Greenlanders! ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4600 "2015-08-21T13:55:18Z")
Well, there are Viking times, and then there is today with it’s ever-rising CO2 levels. Do you think 1000 AD somehow obviates the effects of increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations? That they just go away because… 1000 AD! That’s the kind of ‘reasoning’ we see a lot of in this thread. Tell the Inuits how great it is that Greenland is thawing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=229) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=231)