# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 239
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4761 "2015-08-28T04:31:28Z")
Right. I posit that the dominant delta of the arctic would result in the forcing of cold arctic air into the jet stream. The increase in volume of arctic air (as defined by the polar front) due to warming is almost infinitesimal compared to its circumference, so I can see the jet stream holding its course through simple inertia. OTOH, we’re talking about potentially tens or hundreds of cubic miles of arctic air siphoned off- enough to cool a whole region. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4762 "2015-08-28T04:44:14Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > . . . Looking at the whole fucking world is not cherry picking, it is looking at the whole fucking world. . . . > > No. Really, just fucking no. Are you really this dense? . . . He’s not dense; he’s trolling. He’s been playing this masturbatory game since post #1. “Oh, look, it’s really cold somewhere on the surface of the earth, therefore ‘global warming’ is a liberal hoax put together by luddite technocrats in order to conquer the world, haw haw haw.” The only reason any of us post in response is in hopes of protecting innocents who may be lurking and reading this, and are somehow taken in by his garbage. We’re safety trestles with blinking warning lights, stationed to surround a sinkhole that’s filled with sewage. Watch Out, please, and don’t get your shoes dirty. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4763 "2015-08-28T06:22:57Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > OTOH, we’re talking about potentially tens or hundreds of cubic miles of arctic air siphoned off- enough to cool a whole region. I meant tens or hundreds of _thousands_ of cubic miles. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4764 "2015-08-28T10:01:13Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > By the way; those of you who have a brain and think FX is scoring points here… I’m pretty sure those two traits are mutually exclusive. I also agree that since he is quite deliberate in his cherry picking, even when called on it repeatedly, **FX** is nothing more than a garden variety troll. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4765 "2015-08-28T11:24:30Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Anybody can play this game of picking one region or one fucking month and making the data back their point. This is what cherry fucking picking is! You do know this, right? Hope you can find a doctor to get that nice juicy hook removed from your gut. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4766 "2015-08-28T12:06:29Z")
I’m a little surprised that Fuxie has only gotten up to 1,620 posts in this thread. Perhaps he’s tiring? Mylabe the heat is getting to him. Even though his efforts on the actual subject matter have been a total fail, he has accomplished two things here: 1. He has given the NIMBY argument a whole new application. “Is global climate change happening? Not in my backyard it isn’t!” 2. He has made it so that whenever he tries to participate in other threads, everyone’s first thought is “Hey, it’s that nutty climate change crank! Where’s his little sidekick?” ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4767 "2015-08-28T13:46:27Z")
Oh my, the Elves have taken over Santa’s workshop! Oh noes!. Pity, but fortunately, (like we see with the discovery of ozone and that it is in the atmosphere, protecting us from death from above,) what is real, the actual world, doesn’t depend on somebody just saying something. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I don’t think you will succeed in undermining the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming with regional cooling data. Do you see the flaw in your line of reasoning, or not? If it were small regions, it wouldn’t even be on the table, much less a bone of contention. But that’s your reasoning, so what can one do? Cohen and others have carefully noted, and provided evidence for the large scale trends, and I posted the links so anyone can check for themselves. [-.9C cooling trend for the entire Northern Hemisphere.](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/2/2/1990-2014?trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1996&lasttrendyear=2015) But the denier can’t see a twenty year trend for the entire northern hemisphere, they call it regional cooling! Priceless. North America, -1.51C, and Asia, [a twenty year trend of -5.71C](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/asia/land/2/2/1990-2014?trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1996&lasttrendyear=2014). Far from regional, but a fuckhead will never grasp this. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > And I’ve proposed a mechanism by which regional cooling could happen: polar air expanding, being sucked up by the Gulf Stream and deposited elsewhere. Don’t you recall? I’m going to stick with [real science on this](http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014007/pdf/1748-9326_7_1_014007.pdf), OK? > [@](#): > > Whether the recent colder winters are a consequence of internal variability or a response to changes in boundary forcings resulting from climate change remains an open question > [@Trinopus](#): > > “Oh, look, it’s really cold somewhere on the surface of the earth, therefore ‘global warming’ is a liberal hoax put together by luddite technocrats in order to conquer the world, haw haw haw.”" That’s just a complete lie of course, since I avoid politics, and never have claimed any such nonsense. And if I did, it would be simply quoted, rather than you making shit up, which is your game, not mine. You idiot. > [@Trinopus](#): > > The only reason any of us post in response Another lie, easily exposed, because you never post evidence, use logic or try to counter anything with facts, much less sources. making you both ineffective in your stated goal, as well as a liar. Stupid troll. Your an idiot. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Mylabe the heat is getting to him. No doubt, I noticed several typos in recent post. I’m losing it. I don’t have the strength to even fix them. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > 1. He has given the NIMBY argument a whole new application. “Is global climate change happening? Not in my backyard it isn’t!” Now that’s fucking ironic, since my backyard is one place that the data shows long term climate change has happened, and is happening right now. You, like most of the idiots sniping here, are too stupid to grasp anything but your own idiot ideas. You mistake personal attacks with science, and you own idiot thoughts with wisdom. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > 1. He has made it so that whenever he tries to participate in other threads, everyone’s first thought is “Hey, it’s that nutty climate change crank! Where’s his little sidekick?” Which is a lie of course. I usually ignore such idiocy, because once you start responding to trolls, cranks or idiots, they think it somehow means you like them, and they start following you around, shitting everywhere, and pointing at their own stink and smiling. Disgusting, it really is. Why don’t you go outside and play? Let the adults talk. Jeez, it feels disgusting to have even responded to that pile of lies and idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4768 "2015-08-28T14:24:28Z")
So, global climate change is happening in Fuxie’s backyard, but not globally. Truly a master of science. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4769 "2015-08-28T14:28:49Z")
Global climate change has been happening for a very long time. It’s not climate change that bothers us, it’s drastic unnatural climate change, that we suspect is due to pollution, land use changes and increasing the greenhouse effect. And if it’s all warming, then it’'s global warming that is the fear. You moron. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4770 "2015-08-28T14:37:44Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If it were small regions, it wouldn’t even be on the table, much less a bone of contention. But that’s your reasoning, so what can one do? Cohen and others have carefully noted, and provided evidence for the large scale trends, and I posted the links so anyone can check for themselves. [-.9C cooling trend for the entire Northern Hemisphere.](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/2/2/1990-2014?trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1996&lasttrendyear=2015) But the denier can’t see a twenty year trend for the entire northern hemisphere, they call it regional cooling! Priceless. Could someone less insane than FX explain to me why FX says that his link shows a -0.9C cooling trend, but when I go to the link it shows a positive temperature anomoly for each year from 1990 to 2015 (with the single exception of 1994), and a +1.36C/century overall trend? Am I misreading the table FX linked to or is he just lying about what it says? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4771 "2015-08-28T14:40:25Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Am I misreading the table I keep telling you, you have to lift a finger and set the trend yourself. Select display trend. Choose 1996-2015 in the menu, Set it to century to see the number I quoted. Quoted, I don’t make up numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4772 "2015-08-28T14:42:52Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I keep telling you, you have to lift a finger and set the trend yourself. > > Select display trend. Choose 1996-2015 in the menu, Set it to century to see the number I quoted. Quoted, I don’t make up numbers. OK, I did that. I get +0.78C/Century trend for the period 1996 to 2015. Looks to me like you’re lying about what it says. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4773 "2015-08-28T14:49:28Z")
For example. If you want to see the decade trend for North America, [this link takes you to the July data](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/northAmerica/land/1/7/1990-2014), but with no trend. You have to set it, because the NCDC app does not allow trends to be embedded in the links. If you try, it will always show the complete record trend, usually from 1880, but not always. Here’s a link to the July data with a trend. It would say +1.29C for the trend, but in fact it will show the entire trend, meaning you will see +0.74C, which is the trend from 1880. [Some areas start in 1930](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/africa/land/1/7/1880-2014?trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1910&lasttrendyear=2015), but the point is you have to set the trend yourself, a link will always go to the entire record trend. It’s one reason I avoid the NCDC data, because you can’t link to trends. If you want to see the decade trend for North America, [this link takes you to the July data](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/northAmerica/land/1/7/1990-2014), but with no trend. If you set the trend data, [you should see this](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J4VzJGbtDds/VeBzImTUB6I/AAAAAAAAA5s/-NBz0PIkC5Q/s1600/NA%2BJuly%2Bdeacde%2Btrend.png). ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4774 "2015-08-28T14:56:27Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > OK, I did that. I get +0.78C/Century trend for the period 1996 to 2015. Looks to me like you’re lying about what it says. Since I linked to the source, the last thing I would do is lie, or try to decieve anyone about what it shows. I can’t get a +0.78C/Century trend for any area, land or sea for that period. Can you post a screenshot? I did double check, and the Northern hemisphere land trend for 1996-2015 for J-F is - 0.53C a century, **so my original post is wrong**. the 1995-2015 trend is - 1.23C But all of this can be checked of course. It’s science ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4775 "2015-08-28T14:57:53Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Right. I posit that the dominant delta of the arctic would result in the forcing of cold arctic air into the jet stream. The increase in volume of arctic air (as defined by the polar front) due to warming is almost infinitesimal compared to its circumference, so I can see the jet stream holding its course through simple inertia. OTOH, we’re talking about potentially tens or [thousands] of cubic miles of arctic air siphoned off- enough to cool a whole region. [ETA **Try2** ’s clarification] I do see your point here, however I think your assumption that the polar jet stream will remain in position is flawed. _Where_ the jet stream sets up depends on _where_ the polar front is. If the polar front expands toward the equator, then the jet stream will also move toward the equator. Another problem is with the 2[sup]nd[/sup] Law of Thermodynamics. Air on the temperate side of the polar front is warmer, thus contains _more_ energy than the air on the polar side. Any transfer on energy _must_ move from the temperate side _to_ the polar side. This includes the cubic miles of convective transfer, warm air moving across the front to the cold side. I’m really fuzzy here on many of the details, but I’ll try my troll-hood best: 1] Watchwolf 2] Black if available, otherwise Green 3] For the Northern Hemisphere, air in the temperate zone generally moves south to north at the surface, air in the polar zone moves north to south. Where these two air flows meet, they have no choice but to move upwards. Something about these air masses having greatly differing densities causes a weather front to develop between the two air masses, thus very little mingling. Once they reach the tropopause, they split apart again with the temperate air heading south and the polar air heading north. The jet stream sets up near the tropopause on the temperate side of the polar front. Thusly moving the polar front will indeed move the jet stream. Remember that the Arctic Polar Front looks very chaotic, whereas the Antarctic Polar Front is very regular. One is mostly over land, the other mostly over water, and the Antarctic Front more clearly shows these processes. Noteworthy here is the northern polar front on Saturn. This has been observed to form a regular hexagon, which AFAIK remains inexplicable. So it’s fair to say some of the details here are fuzzy to _everyone_ … just saying … I guess all that’s left is making some Pit-worthy statement about your personal hygiene, but I’m drawing a blank. So I’ll stick with a more general Pit-worthy comment: I’m told humans taste worster than they smell, which I quite frankly find _extremely_ hard to believe. You peoples are total hypocrites saying skunks stink. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4776 "2015-08-28T14:58:09Z")
If I had spent the time crafting 1,622 posts on a subject, and had totally failed to even remotely craft a compelling coherent argument, I might be reduced to sputtering gibberish as well. Of course, I would not do that in the first place. I’m not a loony science denying crank. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4777 "2015-08-28T15:10:10Z")
[Here’s the J\_F NH land trend](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TadsUNqn8zo/VeB4V_-yMmI/AAAAAAAAA6U/CEMrW5HWWpc/s1600/NH%2BJF%2Btrned%2B96-15%2B2015-08-28_11.00.17.png) (just grabbed an image capture) [Here’s another one, of Asia](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nm9mt8jhltM/VeB5LhZksaI/AAAAAAAAA6o/rvaPSHGeBfI/s1600/Asia%2BF%2B95-15%2Btrend.png) [Here’s a global trend](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DpQLS8FZKiY/VeB4V0c9EOI/AAAAAAAAA6Q/A1v4IxXx_68/s1600/global%2BF%2Btrend%2B95-15_2015-08-28_11.02.32.png) (21 years) It’s obvious why the “warmer than ever recorded” story is greeted with skepticism. Reality doesn’t care what you say, it doesn’t change anything to just say something is so. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4778 "2015-08-28T15:11:04Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > For example. If you want to see the decade trend for North America, [this link takes you to the July data](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/northAmerica/land/1/7/1990-2014), but with no trend. You have to set it, because the NCDC app does not allow trends to be embedded in the links. If you try, it will always show the complete record trend, usually from 1880, but not always. Here’s a link to the July data with a trend. It would say +1.29C for the trend, but in fact it will show the entire trend, meaning you will see +0.74C, which is the trend from 1880. > > [Some areas start in 1930](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/africa/land/1/7/1880-2014?trend=true&trend_base=100&firsttrendyear=1910&lasttrendyear=2015), but the point is you have to set the trend yourself, a link will always go to the entire record trend. > > It’s one reason I avoid the NCDC data, because you can’t link to trends. > If you want to see the decade trend for North America, [this link takes you to the July data](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/northAmerica/land/1/7/1990-2014), but with no trend. If you set the trend data, [you should see this](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J4VzJGbtDds/VeBzImTUB6I/AAAAAAAAA5s/-NBz0PIkC5Q/s1600/NA%2BJuly%2Bdeacde%2Btrend.png). What the fuck? Your picture shows the trend from 2006-2015? Why the fuck would you look at the trend from a local max to a local min? Look at the trend from 1992 to 2015 and it’s +4C/century. Every single year from 2006-2015 (with the exception of 2009) has a positive temperature anomaly according to your own data, but you manage to pick a trend line from a year with a high positive temperate anomaly to a year with a low positive temperature anomaly and claim that’s a cooling trend??? You are a lying sack of shit. I vote ban. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4779 "2015-08-28T15:13:40Z")
Banned name! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4780 "2015-08-28T15:16:01Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Since I linked to the source, the last thing I would do is lie, or try to decieve anyone about what it shows. > > I can’t get a +0.78C/Century trend for any area, land or sea for that period. Can you post a screenshot? Here’s your screenshot, you lying sack of shit: [FX is a liar](http://imgur.com/Cguq4Kq). Notice how every fucking year had a positive temperature anomaly, and the trend line is positive? Ban this fucking liar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=238) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=240)