# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 246
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4901 "2015-09-12T15:41:12Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > **Our parade of horrors continues …** > > I’ve been fooling around and did some more of that dreaded math. I’m starting with the value of radiative forcing given by [Chandler (2010)](http://news.mit.edu/2010/explained-radforce-0309) which he got from the IPCC 2007. > [@](#): > > The current level of radiative forcing, according to the IPCC AR4, is 1.6 watts per square meter (with a range of uncertainty from 0.6 to 2.4). That may not sound like much, Prinn says, until you consider the total land area of the Earth and multiply it out, which gives a total warming effect of about 800 terawatts — more than 50 times the world’s average rate of energy consumption, which is currently about 15 terawatts. What you are leaving out is that the amount of energy radiating away also increased, so [Hansen et. al.](http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/11/13421/2011/acp-11-13421-2011.pdf) estimates an imbalance of 0.58 ± 0.15 W/m2 for the period from 2005-2010. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4902 "2015-09-12T15:44:58Z")
Opps … ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4903 "2015-09-12T15:46:51Z")
We can see what this imbalance has caused (maybe), looking at the change from 2005-2014 [Land](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=0&type=trends&mean_gen=0112&year1=2005&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) [Ocean](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=-1&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0112&year1=2005&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) [Combined](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0112&year1=2005&year2=2014&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) Compare [with previous 16 year period](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0112&year1=1990&year2=2005&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) Why there is a huge dispute about a “pause” is sort of obvious. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4904 "2015-09-12T15:53:57Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > We know that energy content is proportional to temperature, and that different substances have different constants of proportionality, also known as the _heat constant_. By multiplying this heat constant by the mass of the two substances in question, we’ll get the total energy to raise the temperature one degree of each: > Air, (5.1 x 10[sup]21[/sup] kg) x (1 x 10[sup]-3[/sup] J kg[sup]-1[/sup] K[sup]-1[/sup]) = 5.1 x 10[sup]18[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup]; Water, (1.4 x 10[sup]21[/sup] kg) x (4.2 x 10[sup]-3[/sup] J kg[sup]-1[/sup] K[sup]-1[/sup]) = 5.7 x 10 [sup]18[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup] > Then adding so both substances have equal temperature increase: > (5.1 x 10[sup]18[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup]) + (5.7 x 10 [sup]18[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup]) = 1.1 x 10 [sup]19[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup] > > uh oh … > > Now we divide the total energy available by how much energy per degree of temperature: > (2.6 x 10 [sup]22[/sup] J yr[sup]-1[/sup]) ÷ (1.1 x 10 [sup]19[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup]) = 2.4 x 10[sup]3[/sup] K yr[sup]-1[/sup] > > So, this is horrible, the death of all life on Earth, 2,400 ºC increase _per year_. The good news I guess is that within two weeks the oceans will all start boiling off, thus the temperature will remain at 100ºC until all the water is in it’s vapor phase, which will take about 120,000 years … This is wrong, replace with: > [@](#): > > We know that energy content is proportional to temperature, and that different substances have different constants of proportionality, also known as the _heat constant_. By multiplying this heat constant by the mass of the two substances in question, we’ll get the total energy to raise the temperature one degree of each: > Air, (5.1 x 10[sup]21[/sup] kg) x (1 x 10[sup]\*\*\*+_**3[/sup] J kg[sup]-1[/sup] K[sup]-1[/sup]) = 5.1 x 10[sup]24[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup]; Water, (1.4 x 10[sup]21[/sup] kg) x (4.2 x 10[sup]**_+\*\*\*3[/sup] J kg[sup]-1[/sup] K[sup]-1[/sup]) = 5.7 x 10 [sup]24[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup] > Then adding so both substances have equal temperature increase: > (5.1 x 10[sup]24[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup]) + (5.7 x 10 [sup]24[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup]) = 1.1 x 10 [sup]25[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup] > > uh oh … > > Now we divide the total energy available by how much energy per degree of temperature: > (2.6 x 10 [sup]22[/sup] J yr[sup]-1[/sup]) ÷ (1.1 x 10 [sup]25[/sup] J K[sup]-1[/sup]) = 2.4 x 10[sup]-3[/sup] K yr[sup]-1[/sup] > > About a quarter degree in 100 years … huh … Maybe best forget the whole thing … ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4905 "2015-09-12T16:00:59Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > What you are leaving out is that the amount of energy radiating away also increased, so [Hansen et. al.](http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/11/13421/2011/acp-11-13421-2011.pdf) estimates an imbalance of 0.58 ± 0.15 W/m2 for the period from 2005-2010. Still isn’t working out, if we’re having to increase the temperature of the oceans, we’ll be waiting a very long time before bad things start happening. Too much carbon is missing and not enough energy is being added, too many unknowns to make any screwball prediction. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4906 "2015-09-12T16:08:05Z")
Why do you hate science? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4907 "2015-09-13T15:59:03Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Why do you hate science? She spurned my love, lead me on until I was on one knee … took my ring and left me for another … why do you hate science? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4908 "2015-09-13T16:36:10Z")
I wouldn’t say you guys hate science. You don’t really know it well enough to have strong feelings about it. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4909 "2015-09-13T16:58:31Z")
Lol. This is like watching pigs try to fly. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4910 "2015-09-15T14:02:36Z")
[Pigs flying](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18687535&postcount=59) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4911 "2015-09-15T14:40:57Z")
> [@Subterraneanus](#): > > Lol. > > This is like watching pigs try to fly. It’s more like watching pigs cherry pick data in a ridiculous attempt to refute climate science, all while pointing at their own efforts and yelling “Science!!1!” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4912 "2015-09-15T15:38:02Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It’s more like watching pigs cherry pick data in a ridiculous attempt to refute climate science, all while pointing at their own efforts and yelling “Science!!1!” Miss Sakamoto, he ain’t. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4913 "2015-09-15T15:59:59Z")
But neither is he an airhead. Although while I’m impressed with the length of those legs, he’s not an intellectual giant. Dolby FTW! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4914 "2015-09-15T18:23:13Z")
Oldies but Goodies from the thread. > [@armedmonkey](#): > > I know this will be an unpopular opinion on this liberal leaning board, but if you look at the data from **un** biased scientists, you notice that average global temperatures have increased for every year that B. Hussein Obama has been in office. He’s using this to control the food supply, and you can see it every time you go to the grocery store. > > Hot dogs have always been sold in packs of eight, but if you go to a grocery store now, with B. Hussein Obama in office, hot dog buns are only sold in packs of six. Thanks to Obama warming we’re [producing less wheat](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wo1-sI7MOQ) than what is required to have eight buns per package. He’s using this rationing to push his gay rights agenda by forcing people to slurp on two naked hot dogs. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4915 "2015-09-15T18:37:32Z")
Mmmm, naked hot dogs… ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4916 "2015-09-15T18:47:49Z")
Ah, the good old days. I can still remember like it was yesterday, when I first read a rant about cold and where is the global warming? > [@](#): > > Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are asking that here in > Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We > had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it > smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a > record low, well below the previous record low. This is January weather (see the Rockies > baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing > weather). [Mon, 12 Oct 2009](http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=1255352257.txt&search=travesty) At first I didn’t believe it was an actual real document, it had to be some fake, written by some anti-science denier. I also didn’t know early October had been so fucking cold in Boulder, since the media didn’t report on it. After I checked, I had some sympathy for the points made, [three all time records for cold broken in one week for Boulder](http://w2.weather.gov/climate/xmacis.php?wfo=bou). And the snow, goddamn, the snow. (Trenberth couldn’t have known what was coming just a few weeks later) But certainly anyone going through record cold and snow could be expected to be a bit cross about it. > [@](#): > > The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 > shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing > system is inadequate. Yes, the data must surely be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4917 "2015-09-15T20:05:53Z")
For the lurkers, or anyone who is actually interested in weather and climate Something I’ve done for over five years now, ever since I first saw [Trenberth’s travesty](http://www.skepticalscience.com/Understanding-Trenberths-travesty.html) and the rest of the oh so interesting things in the Climategate emails, is to simply check the records. It’s easy and even fun. Like Jacksonville FL, where the records go way back, and we can look at unadjusted records, meaning nobody has changed the actual data. Like [Saturday, August 22, 2015](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/8/22/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=), we can see the record low for the day is 64 °F (1930) and the high is 100 °F (1900) Looking at daily records for high and lows, in an area that is experiencing global warming, you expect to see record highs being set recently, and fewer record lows. Especially in summer and fall, when no arctic warming should have any influence on the polar vortex at all. It’s very rare to have either a 98 °F day in early September, or a low of 61 °F, so when we see [a new record for the low set](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/9/14/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=), and [the previous day a tie](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/9/13/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=), it means something. Like, it hasn’t been that cool on those days in 98 years. The same is true for the highs as well. If it ever gets to 98 °F on Sept 1st there,[it would break the record set in 1912](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/9/1/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=). Same for reaching 99 °F on the third, it would break [the record set in 1912](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/9/3/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=). OK this is probably only fun for an extreme weather geek, but I know you are out there 🆒 So we expect to see more records for warm being broken, than records for cold. All the more so, since the UHI effect should reduce the night time cooling in an area like Jacksonville. Except that is wrong. The readings from the airport in no way can be compared to the old readings from near the river downtown, way back when it was a small town, compared to the present huge ass metropolitan center. The airport is way out of town, far from the river. The only readings from there that matter would be the ones since it started acting as the NWS official site. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4918 "2015-09-15T21:07:07Z")
Cherry picking. Also particularizing by location. He zeroes in on one specific place in the country that has data he likes, but fails to work with overall global data. Typical FX dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4919 "2015-09-15T21:23:15Z")
He’s still getting paid that sweet sweet oil money. What was that saying, its hard to make a man understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4920 "2015-09-15T22:31:15Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Cherry picking. Also particularizing by location. He zeroes in on one specific place in the country that has data he likes, but fails to work with overall global data. > > Typical FX dishonesty. A good scientist looks to disprove his theories. Fuxsie looks for the very specific circumstances under which his hold. It’s why he could never answer my question in Great Debates. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=245) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=247)