# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 247
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4921 "2015-09-16T12:33:32Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Cherry picking. Also particularizing by location. He zeroes in on one specific place in the country that has data he likes, but fails to work with overall global data. > > Typical FX dishonesty. Here’s a better data set for you, [color coded](http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jax/?n=climate_graphs) and straight from manatee’s snout. Perhaps you can return the favor and link us to this “overall global data” you speak so fondly about. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4922 "2015-09-16T13:34:17Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Here’s a better data set for you, [color coded](http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jax/?n=climate_graphs) and straight from manatee’s snout. > > Perhaps you can return the favor and link us to this “overall global data” you speak so fondly about. It’s been done. Doesn’t matter, you guys are just trolling… > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > > [@FXMastermind](#): > > > > Shirt story on this latest “warmest year ever”, or “warmest month ever”, or Jan-July warmest ever", it’s simply not true, and it’s deceptive as well, in how they present it. > > > > North America is not only nowhere near the warmest year, month or year-to-date ever, the last two ytd periods/years have been very cold compared to the long term average. > > > > [They don’t show you that](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/northAmerica/land/7/7/1998-2014) > > > > [They won’t show you this](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/northAmerica/land/1/7/1998-2014) > > > > amd they sure as hell [don’t want you looking at this data](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/northAmerica/land/1/2/1996-2014) > > > > [or this](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/asia/land/1/2/1996-2014) > > > > [or this](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/asia/land/1/7/1996-2014) > > > > [or even this](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/1/2/1990-2014) > > > > They will focus on the July trend, ([+1.70C a century](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land/1/7/1996-2014)) but say the February one ([-1.54C a century](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land/1/7/1996-2014)) is meaningless. It’s called cherry picking, and when alarmists do it, it’s OK > > You are right. Seriously. They don’t show you that kind of stuff and the media does engage in cherry picking because it drives their revenue to scare people. But you are guilty of the same thing. You don’t show this: > > [Data set that does not start in 1998.](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/northAmerica/land/1/7/1970-2014?trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1920&lasttrendyear=2015) > > Or this: > > [Data set that is not just limited to one month and one region.](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/6/3/1970-2014?trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1920&lasttrendyear=2015) > > Or especially something like this: > > [Data set that includes more than just North fucking America.](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land_ocean/ytd/12/1970-2014?trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1920&lasttrendyear=2014) > > You know why you don’t show this kind of stuff? It’s because you are a troll. I don’t know why you are like this but I still suspect you are a paid shill. Whatever. It really doesn’t matter. It’s funny though; I have actually enjoyed your contributions in other threads and even found that I agree with you more times than not if the subject is not climate change or the safety of nuclear power. I will even agree with you that there are a lot of unknown unknowns about climate change and that intelligent and lively discussions could be had about climate sensitivity, local changes, or policy responses. But this thread is a fucking train wreck and makes me view you as a fucking joke. Again, whatever, it doesn’t matter. I know that my views will not dissuade you and, to be honest, they shouldn’t. I am just another person on the internet. No more, no less. But, really, I wonder if you feel good about your contribution in this thread? Are you really contributing something to the world? Doing a service educating all those wrong people on the internet? Because, to me at least, it looks like you are just the author of a pile of dogshit. > > By the way; those of you who have a brain and think FX is scoring points here, I recommend you play with the NOAA tool that makes all the fancy graphs that FX regularly links to. What you find is that you can make it look like the world is cooling if you carefully choose the month of the year or the region, or the starting point as FX regularly does. But these sets are cherry picked. If you look at the overall trends and the large regions, it is clear that the world is warming in aggregate. If this data from satellites and weather stations doesn’t convince you, there is plenty of secondary data available by looking at the migration patterns of animals, the growing seasons worldwide, and the freeze and thaw times of lakes, rivers, and other bodies of water. Then there is also the sea level rise; where the fuck does this come from if not the melting of glaciers and the icecaps and the thermal expansion of the water itself due to warming? If this kind of data doesn’t convince you, I don’t really care. You are just another moron on the internet. You probably, statistically speaking, don’t even vote. It does not matter, mostly because int 20-30 years it will be undeniable one way or the other and regardless, we are going to burn ever drop of petroleum we can get our hands on. It is only a question of when. > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > > [@FXMastermind](#): > > > > No, it’s far worse than that. What’s being done is “adding” the estimated SST to the global surface data analyses. Then claiming it’s the warmest ever. When the actual surface station data shows it isn’t, not even close. Then claiming the same thing for “above average”, since 1984, every month is above average. So even when [North America has the coldest February in 22 years](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/northAmerica/land/1/2/1984-2014), they claim it was warmer than average, because globally. Since that very cold month is part of a twenty year trend of colder temps, it’s also significant. -9.95C a century > > So what. [Changing only the region in your plot to Europe shows that their February was one of the hottest in 22 years.](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/europe/land/ytd/2/1984-2014?trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1920&lasttrendyear=2014) Anybody can play this game of picking one region or one fucking month and making the data back their point. This is what cherry fucking picking is! You do know this, right? > > > [@FXMastermind](#): > > > > Let’s imagine the same thing is done with California, and their drought situation. Instead of saying they are in serious trouble (low water amounts), instead we say “Globally rainfall is higher than ever recorded before”. So California isn’t suffering a drought, by global standards. Globally precipitation is higher than average, and has been for 32 years. So quit saying it’s dry in California. Globally it’s not. > > Looking at the whole fucking world is not cherry picking, it is looking at the whole fucking world. > No. Really, just fucking no. Are you really this dense? Look, I would agree with you if people said the whole world is drying out and then pointed at California as proof. This would be cherry picking data to prove their point and would be wrong. But they are not. This is what you are doing. You are pointing at New Hampshire in fucking February and citing it as proof the world is not warming. What the fuck is wrong with you. The world is warming and getting wetter. California is drying out. New fucking Hampshire is getting colder. The world, though, is getting fucking warmer. > > > [@FXMastermind](#): > > > > That’s exactly what is being done to handwave away a serious cooling trend for large areas of the Northern hemisphere. > > > > That’s right, [the entire NH winter shows a cooling trend](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/2/1984-2014), using twenty years of data. You will have to set the trend yourself, it won’t link to it. > > What do you mean you can’t link to it. It is [not that hard](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/2/1984-2014?trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1984&lasttrendyear=2014). It doesn’t look like it backs up you claim though. 0.19 degrees warming per decade for the months February-April for the Northern Hemisphere (land area only) since 1984. Perhaps you are thinking of a different region or time of year. Hmm, what if [we just look at December - February](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/12/1984-2014?trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1984&lasttrendyear=2014); nope that can’t be it… ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4923 "2015-09-16T14:05:01Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Cherry picking. Also particularizing by location. He zeroes in on one specific place in the country that has data he likes, A main reason I rarely try to be serious on internet is illustrated by this latest idiocy response, to a well known problem with using NWS records to “do climate science”. The set up is basic science. The idiot fuckhead can’t even understand what is on the page. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > So we expect to see more records for warm being broken, than records for cold. All the more so, since the UHI effect should reduce the night time cooling in an area like Jacksonville. And if we were looking at a single station with long term quality records, that would be true. Maybe. But when using a mixed record, like the one I linked to for Jacksonville. it’s almost useless. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Except that is wrong. The readings from the airport in no way can be compared to the old readings from near the river downtown, way back when it was a small town, compared to the present huge ass metropolitan center. This is why I find it hilarious, the reaction from idiots, who actually think they are smarter than most. Since they “already know everything”, they can’t actually see what is in front of them. The simple point there, that **you can’t compare modern records from an airport out of town, with the old records from the heart of a city**. In the case of Jacksonville, it’s actually easy to show this. The “record” cold reading for [September 14, 2015](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/9/14/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Jacksonville&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=32208&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999&MR=1) and [September 13, 2015](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/9/13/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Jacksonville&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=32218&reqdb.magic=4&reqdb.wmo=99999&MR=1) are from the [International Airport](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jacksonville+International+Airport/@30.486028,-81.6879368,12616m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x19f818864f7d7b66!6m1!1e1). Comparing them to the old records, which came from a station next to the river downtown, is apples and oranges. It doesn’t work. It’s why I said > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Except that is wrong It’s almost exactly the same problem with the OP of this thread, which uses a reading from an airport to compare with the old records from downtown Atlanta. Large modern airfields far from the city almost always show lower nighttime readings (Tmin) than the old locations that were downtown. Which of course was the next point. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > The airport is way out of town, far from the river. The only readings from there that matter would be the ones since it started acting as the NWS official site. The resident fuckheads can’t understand this, because they aren’t interested in a discussion, or learning anything, be it here or in a GD topic, it’s all about something else. Which is why mockery and humor look like the better option, because they shit all over science and reason. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I should really be trying to be a good person, rather than mocking a douchbag on the internet. > > Wow! What am I doing with my life? Thanks for setting me straight, You have as much chance of a reasonable discussion with a fuckhead alarmists, as you do with a fundamentalist religious fruitbat. But back to the science. Because data is beautiful, and the internet more amazing than we can even imagine, you don’t have to take my word for any of this, and I wouldn’t. If you were just claiming shit, and never had any evidence, I will ignore you. In the case of this “record low” for Jacksonville, [here is the international airport reading](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/9/14/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Jacksonville&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=32208&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999&MR=1). 60 °F - [from here](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jacksonville+International+Airport/@30.4721216,-81.6747189,25236m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x19f818864f7d7b66!6m1!1e1) [The naval base next to the river](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jacksonville+Nas+%2FTowers+Field/@30.235834,-81.6805569,12649m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x757679986b20f4c4!6m1!1e1)- [70 °F](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KNIP/2015/9/14/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Jacksonville&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=32099&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999) that’s 10 degrees warmer for the Tmin The two locations are 18 miles part. What do you think? Will Atlanta show the same effect? Is the NWS at the International Airport biased cold or hot? Can we compare a record there to one set a hundred years ago? That is an essential question, because the surface station data is the main source of knowing if climate has changed or not, for any location people actually live near. So there you have reasonable evidence to know **that the “record cold” from Jacksonville is not meaningful** , anymore than a record high would be, using the cobbled together record from the area. The old “record cold” readings were not from a location far from the river, with the sensor located in the middle of a huge clearing. Same thing for the “record highs”, which is why using them to claim shit about climate change may be a lot of hot air. It’s why climate records are important, and [why the USCRN was set up](https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access/land-based-station-data/land-based-datasets/us-climate-reference-network-uscrn). Using the quality data from the new climate network, we can have confidence in the measurements. The USRCRN is even better, and is already allowing a real understanding of what is actually happening with temperatures. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4924 "2015-09-16T14:53:29Z")
It’s a real dickhead move to grab someone’s quote from a year and a half ago and present it without context in the middle of a discussion. I suppose deceitfulness is Fuxsie’s m.o. though, so why be surprised? I like how he responds to criticisms about cherry picking by providing an analysis of Jacksonville. This guy is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4925 "2015-09-16T16:23:09Z")
Also stop quoting yourself. You don’t go full asshole, nobody likes full asshole FX. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4926 "2015-09-16T18:13:40Z")
Happy Ball quotes himself > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > It’s been done. Doesn’t matter, you guys are just trolling… Yog complains about … oh wait. > [@YogSosoth](#): > > Also stop quoting yourself. You don’t go full asshole, nobody likes full asshole FX. You just claimed Fun Ball went full asshole. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4927 "2015-09-16T18:19:50Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It’s a real dickhead move to grab someone’s quote from a year and a half ago and present it without context … Nah, anyone who gives a rats ass can follow the link to see all of your priceless prose. The dickhead moves are pretty much the fuckheads territory here. Deal with it. > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > What do you mean you can’t link to it. It is [not that hard](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/nhem/land/3/2/1984-2014?trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1984&lasttrendyear=2014). If you would do even the slightest checking, you would see that the period you choose for the trend doesn’t work when somebody else clicks on your link. It’s a problem with the software. Your link uses “firsttrendyear=1984&lasttrendyear=2014”, but that isn’t what somebody else will get when clicking it. Try opening it in another browser, since your settings can influence your own link. It might look like it works on your end, but it doesn’t for anyone else. It’s why I tell people they have to set the trend. It’s also why I don’t try and link to graphs with trends using that source. A link with a trend selected always comes up as the trend for the entire period. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4928 "2015-09-16T18:43:10Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You just claimed Fun Ball went full asshole. Priceless. Oh, I don’t have a problem going full asshole when it comes to you. Seriously. And proudly. Let me demonstrate: > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > \I sure am sick of this fucking moron _FXMastermind_! Why anybody would try to engage this fuckwit is beyond me. > [@Fukushima still melting down, still a nuclear disaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/313): > > \ I am sorry about all the bad stuff I thought about you, **FXMastermind**. I thought you were a brain dead moron. I thought you were a shill in the pay of the petroleum industries. I thought you were a fucking troll that was just posting the stuff you did because you got some weird kind of perverted sexual thrill posting mindless drivel on the internet. I actually envisioned you slowly stroking your tiny member while posting unscientific garbage on topics you didn’t understand and laughing gleefully and breathlessly as you came when people tried time and again to correct your ill structured and wrong ideas. \ > [@Fukushima still melting down, still a nuclear disaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/323): > > \_You_ are a fucking joke.\ > [@Fukushima still melting down, still a nuclear disaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/313): > > Tool. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4929 "2015-09-16T18:47:33Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Happy Ball quotes himself > Yog complains about … oh wait. > You just claimed Fun Ball went full asshole. Priceless. Martin Short called. He wants his shtick back. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4930 "2015-09-16T19:45:11Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It’s a real dickhead move to grab someone’s quote from a year and a half ago and present it without context in the middle of a discussion. And conveniently ignore the quotes from a year and two years ago which would completely obliterate his argument! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4931 "2015-09-16T19:48:44Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > And conveniently ignore the quotes from a year and two years ago which would completely obliterate his argument! And yet, somehow you can’t be bothered to actually show any evidence for your claim. Not that anybody expects a fuckhead to use evidence. If you used evidence, you wouldn’t actually be a fuckhead! > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > A good scientist looks to disprove his theories. And really looks to disprove other people’s theories. Just think about how much people want everything I type out to be “wrong”. How much they care, how much effort they put forth. That’s what a scientist feels when he sees another scientist putting forth a bad theory. The problem the fuckhead alarmist faces, is they can’t understand why anyone would be critical of them, which is fucking hilarious. It’s like going into the ring and then complaining the other guy wants to fight. “How can this be? The fights over. Everybody knows it. Why is he still punching me in the face?” You know how stupid it looks when somebody starts a graph or a trend, so it shows something that is just a little tiny bit of info? To try and sway you? (it’s not really cherry picking, that has another meaning) But the point is, you know how that makes you feel? That’s how a scientist feels when he sees somebody using a short time period, or a hand picked area, event or whatever, to try and convince others. Instead of putting things in perspective. Instead of showing all the data, discussing the problems with the data, why he adjusted it a certain way, why the data is no good, or whatever it is. Like the OP of the topic. It seems sort of stupid to focus on a “hundred year record broken”, and roll it into some global warming claim. Just like the Jacksonville “record cold” story. If you don’t present all the facts, it isn’t science, nor is it honest. Once you look at the links, it tells a different story. If you show [the international airport reading](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/9/14/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Jacksonville&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=32208&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999&MR=1). 60 °F - [from here](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jacksonville+International+Airport/@30.4721216,-81.6747189,25236m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x19f818864f7d7b66!6m1!1e1) Then note the low from [the naval base next to the river](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jacksonville+Nas+%2FTowers+Field/@30.235834,-81.6805569,12649m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x757679986b20f4c4!6m1!1e1) was ten degrees warmer, [70 °F](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KNIP/2015/9/14/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Jacksonville&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=32099&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999) , and explain the airport readings can’t be compared to the old weather station downtown, then it has a different meaning. So while the NWS will report > [@](#): > > RECORD EVENT REPORT > NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSONVILLE FL > 0300 PM EDT MON SEP 14 2015 > > …RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE SET AT JACKSONVILLE… > > A RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE OF 60 DEGREES WAS SET AT JACKSONVILLE > TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 62 SET IN 1971. > [http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jax/text.php?sid=JAX&pil=RER](http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jax/text.php?sid=JAX&pil=RER) It might not actually mean anything. Especially when the readings from the city aren’t actually record lows at all. It’s why climate data matters, more than a weather record. If we look at the climate data, which is pretty easy to find these days, then we might say something about the climate change for northern Florida. (which of course will still mean nothing, because the global temperature is all that matters, haha you dumb ass fuckhead) Even so, the climate data is what matters. To climate. The interested person can actually click a few buttons and see the problems with temperature readings, using the NWS as a source. KJAX shows a [high of 87 and a low of 60](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJAX/2015/9/14/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Jacksonville&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=32218&reqdb.magic=4&reqdb.wmo=99999&MR=1), while a smaller airport east of the city (much closer to the ocean), KCRG shows a [high of 84 and a low of 64](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCRG/2015/9/14/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Jacksonville&req_state=FL&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=32225&reqdb.magic=4&reqdb.wmo=99999). The naval field showed 70 for the low. It’s a real problem for understanding what changes are occurring. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4932 "2015-09-16T20:31:42Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > . . . I like how he responds to criticisms about cherry picking by providing an analysis of Jacksonville. This guy is an idiot. It’s neo-Platonism, you see: Jacksonville is the “ikon” of the whole of the world, a representation in perfect. Jacksonville is the earth’s soul, the omphalos of all that is all. Stick a pin in Jacksonville, and every city on the face of the planet says “Ow.” Stick a pin in **FXMastermind** , and 20 million dung-beetles say “Ow.” It’s science, man. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4933 "2015-09-16T20:36:09Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > . . . the readings from the city aren’t actually record lows at all. . . . > [@](#): > > …RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE SET AT JACKSONVILLE… > > A RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE OF 60 DEGREES WAS SET AT JACKSONVILLE > TODAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 62 SET IN 1971. How do you figure? You’ve got your own personal set of data? Your great-Aunt Tilly has a thermometer in her kitchen, and you trust that? (Memo: tell Tilly to pull the thermometer out of her asshole; it’s interfering with your primary source of data.) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4934 "2015-09-16T20:50:32Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > How do you figure? You actually are sort of a moron, or just a troll. In effect, it makes no difference. It’s like a Monty Python skit. (scientist explains long reasoning with data to make a point) Trinopus - “How do you figure?” Science - It’s all right there in front of you. Trinopus - “No it’s not!” repeat as long as you are willing to respond to a troll moron ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4935 "2015-09-16T21:28:38Z")
No, it’s not … ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4936 "2015-09-16T21:30:02Z")
What Trin and the other idiots can’t grasp, is that the argument, reasons, sources and data are now all in full force debunking using a record cold reading, as meaning much for climate change, global warming, or no global warming. Got that? Is that simple enough to grasp. Jacksonville is only involved because it has stories about “record cold”. Here’s another example. Last Nov 20 2014, the news (and the NWS bulletin they got it from) was [Thursday morning not only broke an “ancient” record from 1873, but we also dropped to the second coldest temperature ever recorded in the month of November in Jacksonville](http://www.news4jax.com/weather/coldest-november-morning-in-38-years-across-usa/29817030). Here’s another one. > [@](#): > > [A record for Feb. 20 of 24 degrees was recorded Friday morning at Jacksonville International Airport, beating the mark set in 1958 of 28 degrees](http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2015-02-19/story/record-freeze-tap-northeast-florida-southeast-georgia-will-be-close) Just like the September cold records, anyone can check the actual data. I provided the links. KJAX, the international airport, far from the river, record cold 24 degrees But there was no KJAX in 1954 when the previous record was set. And KCRG recorded 28, and [KNIP shows 32](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KNIP/2015/2/20/DailyHistory.html?&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=) for the Tmin KNIP is closer to where the 1954 record would have been recorded. So International airport shows record cold, but the old location, where the actual goddamn record is from, shows 32 degrees, 8 degrees warmer. So is it an actual cold record? Not a fucking chance in the real world. They are comparing apples and oranges. The data from KJAX is only valuable since 1970, when the station started up there. You can compare the data to itself there, but you can’t fucking compare it to a station from the fifties that was right on the river downtown. Fucking morons at the NWS And you just know somewhere, there is somebody beating the drum, claiming these record cold readings mean global warming is a scam and everybody is in on some giant conspiracy, or something. It’s not that simple, it’s never that simple. But you try and explain the change to ASOS at airfields, and why the NWS records are often shit, they start accusing you of being a global warmer. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4937 "2015-09-16T21:34:18Z")
And for the record, both the winter trend, and the annual trend for the Jacksonville areas, as well as the southeastern US, shows no global warming since 1990, and a definite trend of colder winters. But that doesn’t make those “record cold” records meaningful, because of the problems outlined above. With links to the sources. Climate is one thing. Weather and weather records is not climate. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4938 "2015-09-16T22:07:23Z")
For the Jacksonville area. Global, right? Big old place, Jacksonville must be, to cover the whole globe. And FX calls me rude names? Guy can’t even read a fucking map. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4939 "2015-09-16T23:05:33Z")
> [@](#): > > To be sure, receding polar ice caps are an expected result of the modest global warming we can expect in the years ahead. In and of themselves, receding polar ice caps have little if any negative impact on human health and welfare, and likely a positive benefit by opening up previously ice-entombed land to human, animal, and plant life. Nevertheless, polar ice cap extent will likely be a measuring stick for how much the planet is or is not warming. From a Forbes article [Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat](http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/). The media could feed the Alarmists dog shit and they’d say it tasted great. Fuck the ice, fuck all the ice … ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4940 "2015-09-17T00:47:50Z")
I’m shocked you’re still trotting out that op-ed piece from the Heartland Institute (and trying to disguise it as a Forbes article to give it the veneer of respectability). Nah, I’m kidding. I’m not shocked at all. His pile of dung fits nicely with the cherry picking from you and the other troll in this thread. Those interested in the science can read a couple other views below and decide for themselves. The cherry pickers can return to Jacksonville and records that somehow aren’t really records. [Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/05/27/climate-skeptics-think-you-shouldnt-worry-about-melting-polar-ice-heres-why-theyre-wrong/) [Slate (Bad Astronomer)](http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/05/26/climate_change_denying_reality_is_a_threat_to_our_nation.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=246) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=248)