# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 250
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4981 "2015-09-27T19:46:35Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You’re too late. The Feds have been abusing that law in that way for decades. Still waiting for some evidence. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4982 "2015-09-28T03:03:53Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Speaking of airborne swine > [https://www.climatescience.org.au/content/916-researchers-reveal-when-global-warming-first-appeared](https://www.climatescience.org.au/content/916-researchers-reveal-when-global-warming-first-appeared) > > It seems they rediscovered the warming hole. This has been brought up here several times. It’s like a doughnut hole, the hole is where there is no warming. It’s one reason why so many Americans are skeptical of the global warming nutjobs. When the data shows it’s getting colder, it’s hard to accept the global doom we are told is fast approaching. Russians have the same problem, since snowfall is increasing, and coming earlier than ever recorded. Which is interesting, as we continue on with this new study. > It’s quite interesting, since Plass theorized rainfall would decrease with CO2 forced warming. > Those regions already are showing a signal, but it’s not what the models predict at all. It’s a pattern of winter cooling, with more snow. > > Interesting times. Does this change anything? > **[What Megablazes Tell Us About Climate Change](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/what-megablazes-tell-us-about-the-fiery-future-of-climate-change-81547/4/)** > > Pervasive drought and record temperatures have turned forests from Fresno to Fairbanks into tinderboxes. And it's only getting worse. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4983 "2015-09-28T12:35:48Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Does this change anything? > > [What Megablazes Tell Us About the Fiery Future of Climate Change](http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/what-megablazes-tell-us-about-the-fiery-future-of-climate-change-20150915?page=4) It probably causes stress when non skeptical people read it, because that’s what a load of complete horseshit does to weak minded gullible people. The writer is an idiot, or if they actually do know the real story, a liar and a paid shill. Maybe they are both. Here’s the best part of something like this. You don’t have to believe a word I say, just like I don’t blindly accept a Rolling Stone story like the one linked to. You can easily fact check that story, rather than take my word for anything. The very first line is complete and utter horseshit. It’s a lie, and a whopper of one. > [@](#): > > In May this year, the nearly unthinkable happened in the Pacific Northwest: The rainforest of the Olympic Peninsula, one of the wettest places on the continent, caught fire. > **[What Megablazes Tell Us About Climate Change](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/what-megablazes-tell-us-about-the-fiery-future-of-climate-change-81547/)** > > Pervasive drought and record temperatures have turned forests from Fresno to Fairbanks into tinderboxes. And it's only getting worse. Now look at the Fire History page for the Olympic National Park. Most people can grasp the problem from just looking at the image, showing both natural and man caused fires there. But certainly taking 5 minutes to read the page will make it perfectly clear why the Rollinstone story starts off with a big lie. > [@](#): > > As a natural force, fire has played an important historical role in the development of Olympic National Park. See how easy that is? The scare story claims “In May this year, the nearly unthinkable happened in the Pacific Northwest”, but the actual facts tell us > [@](#): > > Evidence indicates that much of the north, east and south sides of the Olympic Peninsula burned during episodes of major fires about 300-500 years ago. Fire scar analysis indicates that another cycle of prehistoric fires burned many east side watersheds about 250 years ago. See? The Stone makes you afraid, says it is unthinkable, rare, almost an impossible event. But the actual real data says "As a natural force, fire has played an important historical role in the development of Olympic National Park. " They even show all the fires and how much burned. And what caused the fires. The scare story wants you to be afraid, and to think it’s unusual. never happened before. But historic facts tell a different story, one based on reality. > [@](#): > > The influx of new settlers around the turn of the century brought with it a spate of large fires started by land clearing, road building and logging efforts on the peninsula. Two memorable large fires from that period were the Dungeness Fire of 1890-1891, which burned about 30,000 acres, and the Sol Duc Burn of 1907, which swept through 12,800 acres of Kloshe Nanitch Ridge in a single afternoon. So when a story starts off with a huge lie, how much of the rest of it should you trust? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4984 "2015-09-28T18:41:29Z")
Fire is a natural part of the Northwest forests, indeed several species of trees need their cones to burn before the seeds are released. The problem here is human fire suppression. Where normally a fire will sweep through a forest grove every twenty years, thus only twenty years of accumulated fuel, the trees all survive. But now we put these fires out right away and in some places we have 100 years of accumulated fuel, and a fire here will be hot enough to kill the trees. This has absolutely nothing to do with global warming or CO[sub]2[/sub] concentrations. Indeed, the Pacific Northwest is forecast to be receiving MORE rain using these climate models. Bastard plants already grow violently here, burning them to death is too good for them. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4985 "2015-09-29T00:00:13Z")
The Olympic Rainforest is the west side of the penninsula. The rest of the Olympic National Park is forest, but not really rainforest. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4986 "2015-09-29T00:51:39Z")
Yeah, but the Rolling Stone article is actually talking about the The Okanogan Complex of wildfires, which certainly was a horrific and historic bunch of fires. Nowhere near the Olympic Rainforest, much less did the rain forest catch fire. Why do they have to do that shit? The fires were bad, real bad. Why start off with a lie when writing about them? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4987 "2015-09-29T01:45:29Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Still waiting for some evidence. Evidence of what? RICO abuse? The [Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act#Major_League_Baseball) gives several examples: Major League Baseball Pro-Life Activists Los Angeles Police Department Mohawk Industries Scott Rothstein FIFA Key West police Department various Diocese of the Catholic Church Michael Milliken (This is not to say that such people and groups were innocent of crimes, but your apparently flabbergasted reaction was “it doesn’t make that RICO, because it opens the door to go after anyone for any reason, using RICO laws, and now trying to sway public opinion is organized crime.” While my response was that RICO has already been abused in that manner, which it has.) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4988 "2015-09-29T11:25:17Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You’re too late. The Feds have been abusing that law in that way for decades. > [@tomndebb](#): > > While my response was that RICO has already been abused in that manner, which it has.) I understand what you are claiming. What evidence do you have? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4989 "2015-09-29T13:46:43Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > The Olympic Rainforest is the west side of the penninsula. The rest of the Olympic National Park is forest, but not really rainforest. On a broader scale, everything west of the Cascades is rainforest. There’s a bit of the “rain shadow” effect east of Mt Olympus and the Coast Range in Oregon, so one can find spots where it _doesn’t_ actually rain five and a half feet a year. What’s important is the _rate_ of rainfall. Back in the Midwest, rainfall comes an inch an hour then stops; in the Pacific Northwest, it takes three whole days to rain that much usually. Everything is drippy wet ten months a year, and during the two month dry spell fires are supposed to rage through, keeps the forest floor cleaned up. If stupid humans don’t want their houses to burn down, they shouldn’t build them where fire happens regularly. But not to worry … it will only take Mt Rainier a few hours to change it all. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4990 "2015-09-29T14:00:06Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Evidence of what? RICO abuse? > The [Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act#Major_League_Baseball) gives several examples: > Major League Baseball > Pro-Life Activists > Los Angeles Police Department > Mohawk Industries > Scott Rothstein > FIFA > Key West police Department > various Diocese of the Catholic Church > Michael Milliken > > (This is not to say that such people and groups were innocent of crimes, but your apparently flabbergasted reaction was “it doesn’t make that RICO, because it opens the door to go after anyone for any reason, using RICO laws, and now trying to sway public opinion is organized crime.” While my response was that RICO has already been abused in that manner, which it has.) I’m not sure the example of the Key West PD supports your position. Why is it an abuse of RICO to go after the Chief there? I’m pretty sure all the other examples you give involved crimes in some way. Milliken was threatened with RICO prosecution, so he caved on the securities violations, not really an abuse … ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4991 "2015-09-29T15:26:35Z")
While it’s probably not scientific, [it still made me laugh](https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/sensitivity-cartoon.jpg?w=500). ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4992 "2015-10-02T19:18:07Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I understand what you are claiming. What evidence do you have? No answer is actually an answer. Shame, because I suspect some people want to do it, but how can you? It’s like when the Italians put scientist in jail over not warning about the earthquake. Do we really want to start jailing scientist because they are wrong? Meanwhile, in the real world. > [@](#): > > As naïve as this may sound, I believe environmentalists should try to influence public opinion by laying out the facts as clearly and honestly as possible and refraining from rhetorical trickery. Inconvenient Truth was a framing masterpiece, but Al Gore’s linkage of global warming to Katrina, however qualified, has made it easier for wackos to claim that single weather events, like the big blizzards that struck Washington, D.C., this winter, contradict global warming. Climategate showed that some climatologists have become so obsessed with framing that they have harmed their credibility. [http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/neuroframing-the-global-warming-issue-wont-win-converts/](http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/neuroframing-the-global-warming-issue-wont-win-converts/) It’s funny, because from what I can gather, no true believer in the one true warming faith was budged an inch by any of the climategate emails. Nothing can sway that sort of faith. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4993 "2015-10-02T19:33:49Z")
You could just say “bump,” you know. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4994 "2015-10-02T19:35:47Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You could just say “bump,” you know. That wouldn’t get us any closer to some evidence for the claims made. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4995 "2015-10-03T15:52:30Z")
It wouldn’t get us any farther from it either. Let’s go to the quarry and throw this thread down there. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4996 "2015-10-03T22:52:19Z")
> [@](#): > > As naïve as this may sound, I believe environmentalists should try to influence public opinion by laying out the facts as clearly and honestly as possible and refraining from rhetorical trickery. Inconvenient Truth was a framing masterpiece, but Al Gore’s linkage of global warming to Katrina, however qualified, has made it easier for wackos to claim that single weather events, like the big blizzards that struck Washington, D.C., this winter, contradict global warming. Climategate showed that some climatologists have become so obsessed with framing that they have harmed their credibility. I’ve heard it said that Al Gore earned $100,000,000.00 (US) on climate charge rhetoric, way to go … ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4997 "2015-10-04T01:25:23Z")
I’ve heard it said the moon landings were a hoax. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4998 "2015-10-04T01:33:25Z")
I don’t know, but it’s been said, that Army boots are made of lead. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/4999 "2015-10-04T02:06:30Z")
Piltdown Man is said to be a hoax as well. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2015, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5000 "2015-10-04T02:36:01Z")
Uncle Pilty? A hoax? But I had dinner with him just last Thursday! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=249) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=251)