# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 253
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5041 "2015-10-16T02:20:02Z")
The beauty of the above is simple enough as well. The fuckhead won’t bother to click the links, and put it together. But you might. In which case it’s a beautiful thing. But you have to do a little work to see it. So the fuckhead can blather on, it’s all nonsense to them. But the actual curious thinker gets a look at something almost no one else has ever viewed before. Enjoy your life, you won’t get another one. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5042 "2015-10-16T03:25:31Z")
Bump! ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5043 "2015-10-16T12:21:33Z")
derp derp derp derp derp derp derp GOOSE! _\_ ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5044 "2015-10-16T13:51:47Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > So the fuckhead can blather on, it’s all nonsense to them. But the actual curious thinker gets a look at something almost no one else has ever viewed before. I hate when people talk about themselves in the third person. Whatever. I see you are still pulling your usual shtick of muddying the waters with climate change. Not making any points, just spewing out garbage in the hope of… doing what exactly? I think it is really cool that you have mastered the NASA data portal and I have to thank you for that wood for trees website link, pretty cool (I did click your links). But you posting over and over again that February and New Hampshire are getting colder does not prove anything to me. Cherry picking this little regions or limited time scales does not accurately reflect the global trend anymore than me pointing at temperature in the middle of an urban heat island. But you know this. It is clear you know a lot about this topic for a layperson. What I don’t get is what your point is. You are not trying to disprove ACC or global warming. Or if you are, you are very ineffective at it. I don’t think you are trying to point out wrong thinking and exaggeration in the popular media. Again, your shots are too scattered and too few of them are on point for that to be your goal. I can only assume that you are deliberately trying to confuse everyone. This again makes me think you are a paid shill of the petroleum industry but I can’t imagine them paying you for you inept work. So what is your goal? What are you trying to accomplish? What is it you are trying to communicate to us? What is the point of this thread? So far the only thing I am getting is you want everybody to think you are smart and you have made pretty much everybody think you are an asshole. Your contributions in other places on the board have been more pointed. The clock guy thread for instance, I thought your point came across loud and clear and I, for one, appreciated it. This thread though, I just am not seeing anything constructive. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5045 "2015-10-16T13:56:59Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > This thread though, I just am not seeing anything constructive. That’s because you are a fuckhead, or you didn’t click the links, and put together the data. Or understand the essential point the data makes clear. As Cohen says in multiple papers, both theory and models based on theory can not predict, or explain, what is being observed. In fact, the exact opposite should be happening. The larger point is a bit harder to grasp, but it’s the important one. Since I’ve stated it clearly a dozen times now, it’s no mystery what that point is. Except to this small group who can’t seem to understand plan English, backed up with sources. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5046 "2015-10-16T14:59:10Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > What I don’t get is what your point is. You are not trying to disprove ACC or global warming. Or if you are, you are very ineffective at it. I don’t think you are trying to point out wrong thinking and exaggeration in the popular media. Again, your shots are too scattered and too few of them are on point for that to be your goal. I can only assume that you are deliberately trying to confuse everyone. This again makes me think you are a paid shill of the petroleum industry but I can’t imagine them paying you for you inept work. So what is your goal? What are you trying to accomplish? What is it you are trying to communicate to us? What is the point of this thread? I’ve posted this before, but his posting style is eerily reminiscent of the posting style of bloggers who have bipolar disorder. He’s been ramping up in his hypomania, which means in a few weeks he’ll crash into depression and the posts will slow to a trickle. I bet if someone was to chart his posts per day we’d see a gradual ramp up to a peak, followed by a plateau, followed by a crash. He’s starting to resurrect years-old posts to respond to them, so we’re pretty clearly in peak hypomania now. From what I’ve read, there’s two types of Bipolar disorder: I and II. I think we’re looking at Bipolar II here; we’ll see hyopmania phases followed by severe depression, but no hallucinations or psychotic breaks. I’m no psychologist, so I could be completely wrong, but his behavior matches what I’ve seen elsewhere. If, in a few weeks or months, he basically stops posting, that’ll strengthen my opinion that he’s bipolar. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5047 "2015-10-16T15:21:30Z")
And weaken my opinion that there is no God. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5048 "2015-10-16T15:35:11Z")
There is no God, and He hates me. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5049 "2015-10-16T16:01:21Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > But you know this. It is clear you know a lot about this topic for a layperson. What I don’t get is what your point is. You are not trying to disprove ACC or global warming. Or if you are, you are very ineffective at it. I don’t think you are trying to point out wrong thinking and exaggeration in the popular media. Again, your shots are too scattered and too few of them are on point for that to be your goal. I can only assume that you are deliberately trying to confuse everyone. This again makes me think you are a paid shill of the petroleum industry but I can’t imagine them paying you for you inept work. So what is your goal? What are you trying to accomplish? What is it you are trying to communicate to us? What is the point of this thread? Dear Comrade, code name **FXMastermind** , This is your quarterly review statement, by the American Communist People’s Front of Agoraphobes. We are pleased at your tireless and selfless voluminous work on behalf of the Revolution-soon the anti-AGW viewpoint will be so _thoroughly_ discredited, thanks to the dedicated efforts of comrades such as yourself, that our secret plan to surrepetitiously infiltrate all levels of American society, on the completely phony pretext of dire predictions of flooded coastlines, scorching temperatures, and crop failures worldwide, will soon proceed apace. Now, you are well aware that there can be no recompense for such dedication and effort, that those, such as you, who are willing to sacrifice themselves wholly (and anonymously) for the upcoming Revolution will have to rest content in the realization that virtue is its own reward. Continue the good fight! Viva la revolución! Your comrade in arms, Jorge Maria Salud Cabeza de Vacío, chairperson, People’s Front local XVIII ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5050 "2015-10-16T18:15:07Z")
FWIW, the Popular Front still reserves judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5051 "2015-10-16T19:39:47Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Pay attention to me! Stop undermining my efforts to provoke a response! I crave your attention, even if you hate me fuckheads! Look at me! Someone talk to me! I’m desperate!!! [Yep.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18778189#post18778189) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5052 "2015-10-20T12:03:38Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Aw, somebody isn’t getting enough attention. ☹ > [@andros](#): > > Bump! > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Pay attention to me! Stop undermining my efforts to provoke a response! I crave your attention, even if you hate me fuckheads! Look at me! Someone talk to me! I’m desperate!!! > [@andros](#): > > No. Let the thread die. > [@andros](#): > > Bump! > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > derp derp derp derp derp derp derp GOOSE! _\_ > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > I hate when people talk about themselves in the third person. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I’m no psychologist, so I could be completely wrong, but his behavior matches what I’ve seen elsewhere. If, in a few weeks or months, he basically stops posting, that’ll strengthen my opinion that he’s bipolar. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > And weaken my opinion that there is no God. > [@elucidator](#): > > There is no God, and He hates me. > [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Continue the good fight! Viva la revolución! > > Your comrade in arms, > > Jorge Maria Salud Cabeza de Vacío, chairperson, People’s Front local XVIII[/FONT] > [@andros](#): > > FWIW, the Popular Front still reserves judgment. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Yep.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18778189#post18778189) > [@TroutMan](#): > > Aw, somebody isn’t getting enough attention. ☹ > [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Nobody can refute you’re a troll. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > There is the possibility of being disingenuous to the point of being indistinguishable from one. You fuckheads done yet? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5053 "2015-10-20T12:53:55Z")
For the slow kids, when you see something like the following, with “old” quotes, it’s not some random walk into the past. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Well there’s the problem right there. It simply DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL, in any possible way, what an anonymous fuckhead on the internet writes. **With no evidence, no logic, no reason and no skepticism, nothing written matters in any way**. > [@brazil84](#): > > Well you could say the same thing about the sort of oral discussions which take place at social gatherings. But the “fuckheads” have a few advantages in such discussions: First, it’s easier for them to strawman, weasel, and lie since there isn’t solid proof of what they said earlier; second it’s easier for them to make up facts a la **septimus** since the argument is moving fast so there is much less time to consult references; and third, if all else fails, it’s easier for them to simply shout down a good point rather than actually responding to it. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Well of course. If you respond to a scientific discussion, you risk getting in over your head. Most people online simply don’t spend much time doing any study, any real learning, but are sort of ditto heads, repeating whatever party line they have aligned themselves with. > > Thinking requires effort, and if you aren’t on the ball, I mean really up to speed on a complex subject, you will find yourself drowning, so you can’t blame some ignorant fuckhead for repeating something they heard, rather than actually lifting a finger to do some actual work, to find something out. > [@brazil84](#): > > Agree. That’s why it’s funny when you ask them a simple reasonable question which they cannot answer after a few minutes of frantic Googling on Skepticalscience or Realclimate. It’s even worse than that. Because **most of the alarmist sources are actually really fucked up** , when it comes to teaching the science of AGW, or even precipitation and snow, as well as how wrong the media portrays things, fed by people who should know better, it’s really hard for a fuckhead to actually know science. > [@brazil84](#): > > In my opinion, you can blame them for doubling down on their ignorance and arrogant stupidity when it’s politely pointed out to them. Which is the normal reaction. > [@Why don't climate change deniers publish?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-climate-change-deniers-publish/678811/145): > > Yeah, but when you use logic and reason, and you stay calm, they just run away at some point. Like in this other topic, when I started asking direct questions about the following post. > > > [@Why don't climate change deniers publish?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-dont-climate-change-deniers-publish/678811/145): > > > > Seriously, climate-change denial is like anti-vaccine propaganda. Neither constitutes protected speech, because protected speech does not include killing people. > > > > Both are, at best, criminally-negligent homicide. > > When it got to the point where there was no choice but answer, the topic went cold. No response. > > It happens pretty much anytime you get somebody to the point where if they answer, they know there is a good chance they will sound like an insane person. Some psychological mechanism kicks in, and they just get quiet. But not in this topic, oh no. > [@Colibri](#): > > More likely they just decide not to feed the troll any more. > [@Trinopus](#): > > Most of us understand that they are debating honestly, with facts to back them up, while others – well, you, actually – debate dishonestly, and deliberately distort the facts. If that were true, that I was engaging in deliberate distortions, trying to fool you, **just posting shit that just is not true** , it would indeed be trolling, and a rather idiotic way to discuss **the most important subject facing mankind**. If the worst case scenarios for global climate change, due to human pollution and other changes to the world, if those scenarios are true, if they happen, it will be a planet wide disaster. This is the true global warming story. Not only will our offspring suffer, the entire ecosystem will suffer, and mass extinctions, including corals, will equal the worst extinction events we know of from the fossil records. According to Hansen and others, the world will be as it was in the age of the Dinosaurs, with tropical plants growing in Antarctica, thick tropical forests all the way to the arctic ocean, the sea level will be 300 feet higher, and this will last for millions of years. The few surviving humans will live near the poles to escape the horrific heat, and the few animals that survive will be hunted to extinction for food. As more and more methane is released from all the permafrost and undersea deposits, the planet becomes like Venus, and all life ends, except around the deep sea vents. Game over. That’s AGW, that’s global warming. Sound crazy? [1982](https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CZJVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9z8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=1156,1812228&dq=james-hansen&hl=en) > [@](#): > > Hansen presented results of studies which indicated likely climate changes under different energy policies. > > If there were slow growth in the use of hydrocarbon fuels, the world in the middle of the next century would be as warm as it was 125,000 years ago, when lions, elephants and other tropical animals roamed a balmy southern England. > > Pursuing present plans for coal and oil, Hansen found, the climate in the middle of the 21st century “would approach the warmth of the age of the dinosaurs” [1986](http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=llJeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=AWENAAAAIBAJ&pg=5501,1378938&dq=james-hansen&hl=en) > [@](#): > > the average U.S. temperature had risen from one to two degrees since 1958 and is predicted to increase an additional 3 or 4 degrees sometime between 2010 and 2020. But wait, there’s more. > [@](#): > > Under the greenhouse scenario, the Earth gets baked. Rich farmlands turn into deserts. Forests wilt and die. Coastal areas are individuated by oceans. [1989](https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CZJVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9z8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=1156,1812228&dq=james-hansen&hl=en) > [@](#): > > “The last time the world was three degrees warmer than today – which is what we expect later this century – sea levels were 25m higher. So that is what we can look forward to if we don’t act soon. None of the current climate and ice models predict this. But I prefer the evidence from the Earth’s history and my own eyes. I think sea-level rise is going to be the big issue soon, more even than warming itself.” The sea level is going to have to start rising a foot a year to meet his predictions. Certainly the US did not warm 3 to 4 degrees Celsius since 1986, in fact, the high quality data from the new climate network shows it has cooled. Does this extreme wrong cause anyone to slow down, pause and reflect on the current crop of predictions? Of course not. In fact, they have doubled down, and the madness is actually become worse. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5054 "2015-10-20T15:01:57Z")
Not the polar bears, they are too busy treading water. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5055 "2015-10-20T15:08:06Z")
Poor things. With the sea ice vanishing fast, they are doomed. [![](https://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current.png) ](https://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current.png) (for the idiot who doesn’t understand sarcasm, the image links to an actual science page that shows sea ice, which shows current sea ice higher than it has been in a decade, along with the shortest melt season on record) Which makes my statement sarcasm. You complete idiot. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5056 "2015-10-20T15:35:33Z")
Bump! Everybody pay attention to **FXM**!! ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5057 "2015-10-20T16:04:40Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Bump! > > Everybody pay attention to **FXM**!! Oh, don’t be mean. I like **FXM**. I only wish I could figure out which forum to post _my_ blog in. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5058 "2015-10-20T16:12:39Z")
I’m intrigued. He quoted one of my posts twice, which means he isn’t just using the multi-quote button. He’s actually taking the time to build those walls quote by quote. How’s the high, **Fuxsie**? Starting to dread the coming crash yet, or does the manic period still have some life left? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5059 "2015-10-20T16:14:18Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Oh, don’t be mean. I like **FXM**. I only wish I could figure out which forum to post _my_ blog in. Oh please. My blogs are way better than this happy horseshit thread. I mean, I would never call you a fuckhead on a blog, or get to hear how internet fuckheads can diagnose mental illness (but only in others of course), that shit is comedy gold. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/5060 "2015-10-20T16:32:34Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I would never call you a fuckhead on a blog… Bored now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=252) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=254)