# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/721 "2013-10-02T01:57:47Z")
That snapped long ago, **Sub**. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/722 "2013-10-02T08:42:47Z")
> [@Subterraneanus](#): > > That must be the sound of your lone axon fingering your lone dendrite. It must take a lot of extra brain cells to fool yourself into believing a theory you can’t even describe with precision. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/723 "2013-10-02T13:06:34Z")
[Crystal Mountain Ski resort](http://crystalmountainresort.com/), is open for business. It used to be the earliest opening date was November 4, 2005 > **[Crystal Mountain Resort](https://www.facebook.com/CrystalMountainWashington)** > > Crystal Mountain Resort, Enumclaw, Washington. 89,779 likes · 1,129 talking about this · 269,208 were here. Washington's largest ski area, less than two hours from Seattle. So once again, Global Warming has ruined the ski resorts season. With the first blizzard of this winter already going on in the US, it looks like another brutal global warming has started. Siberia just set a new record low, with record snow. Antarctic sea ice is at yet another record high. Alaska had the sorter summer on record (the continuous summer thaw season was the shortest ever). Global warming is proceeding, just like they said it would. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/724 "2013-10-02T14:48:22Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > As for the older projections and models, the alarmists can claim that climate science has improved since then. So they never need to admit they were wrong, and never ever will. Even when there is simply no way out of being wrong, the alarmists mentality can always find a way to “feel” like they are right. Like the sea level rise problem. When you point out that sea level has been rising at the current rate for 150 years (or more), and that it has both fallen, and rose, in the recent past, you get the mumbo jumbo gigogallop. > [@Leaked IPCC report: 90% confidence in AGW is now 95% -- and sea level will rise!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-ipcc-report-90-confidence-in-agw-is-now-95-and-sea-level-will-rise/667002/455): > > If the blind could only see. > [The Dutch and their Delta: Living Below Sea Level: Vossesstein, Jacob: 9789055947881: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/The-Dutch-their-Delta-Living/dp/9055947881) > [http://www.sptimes.com/2005/11/06/Worldandnation/To\_live\_below\_sea\_lev.shtml](http://www.sptimes.com/2005/11/06/Worldandnation/To_live_below_sea_lev.shtml) > > Rising sea levels, **a problem for a very long time** , has long been dealt with by many people. The alarmists shouting about sea level don’t seem to know this. > [@Leaked IPCC report: 90% confidence in AGW is now 95% -- and sea level will rise!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/leaked-ipcc-report-90-confidence-in-agw-is-now-95-and-sea-level-will-rise/667002/456): > > Strawman, it is the costs of all those efforts the ones that contrarians never add. See? Pointing out reality is to the warmist, a “strawman”, because “the costs of all those efforts” isn’t added. (What the fuck does that even mean?) All the following quotes are mine. > [@](#): > > But we see the the warmists mindset, which will jump from place to place, subject to subject, rather than discuss anything. It’s usually an effective tactic for simply stopping all rational discussion. Most people when faced with a gigogallup wisely abandon any attempt to continue, because nobody wants a massive wall of text, or the idiot tactic of copy-and paste-the-entire-post and add one line to it. Seriously, it happens. > [@](#): > > Fuckheads actually think that is discussing. > > I’m tempted to fuck with that, really tempted. By putting my comments in quotes, it prevents that shit. > > For some reason you can’t quote a quote. But I’m also aware that the Mods will make up some rule saying you can’t do that. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/725 "2013-10-02T18:50:46Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [Crystal Mountain Ski resort](http://crystalmountainresort.com/), is open for business. > > It used to be the earliest opening date was November 4, 2005 > [Crystal Mountain Resort | Enumclaw WA](https://www.facebook.com/CrystalMountainWashington) Do you really, really not understand how this works? Seriously? I’m going to go with that. It makes me feel better, since I can accept someone who is merely ignorant over someone who knows better but spreads complete bullshit anyway. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/726 "2013-10-02T19:47:46Z")
I assure you, my understanding of the Pit, and how it works, is very limited. I should probably have included a hearty “fuck you” somewhere, but it just seems so uncivil. Haha …No, I’m just fucking with you. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/727 "2013-10-02T20:09:51Z")
What is actually happening, isn’t usually reflected by any of the “popular” media, the blogs (both extremes) or screaming moonbats online. > [@](#): > > A warmer Arctic will also affect weather patterns and thus food production around the world. **Wheat farming in Kansas** , for example, would be profoundly affected by the loss of ice cover in the Arctic. According to a NASA Goddard Institute of Space Studies computer model, Kansas would be 4 degrees warmer in the winter without Arctic ice, which normally creates cold air masses that frequently slide southward into the United States. **Warmer winters are bad news for wheat farmers, who need freezing temperatures to grow winter wheat**. 11/22/2005 [Are the Effects of Global Warming Really that Bad?](http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/qthinice.asp#4) last revised 11.22.05 ``` It used to be, that Global warming would threaten us due to warmer winters. Now it's the opposite. ``` > [@](#): > > “There is evidence that the effect of higher air temperatures in the lower Arctic atmosphere in fall is contributing to changes in the atmospheric circulation in both the Arctic and northern mid-latitudes. Winter 2009-2010 showed a new connectivity between mid-latitude extreme cold and snowy weather events and changes in the wind patterns of the Arctic; the so-called Warm Arctic-Cold Continents pattern.” 10/25/2010 [http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2010/10/report\_details\_warm\_arctic-col.html](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2010/10/report_details_warm_arctic-col.html) It’s actually quite an interesting strory, the last three decades, or four decades, of climate change. > [@](#): > > \*\*Meet the global weirdos. \*\* > They’re the ones telling you that all the snow outside is proof that it’s getting warmer. Only, they don’t call it “warming” anymore. > > No, that was back in the “Earth has a fever” days. > > Back when Al Gore was predicting that the ice caps were melting, the polar bears were drowning and Manhattan would sink beneath 20 feet of water “in the near future.” > > But then something happened. Since 1998, temperatures have been relatively flat. We’ve got more polar bears than ever, and Manhattan is buried under snow. For a planet-roasting crisis that threatened the human race with extinction, there doesn’t seem to be much actual warming. > > So then the mantra became “climate change.” > > The liberals formerly known as “warmists” began predicting that we would experience fundamental changes in our weather. > > Scientists at the University of East Anglia — the Harvard of climate change — said snow would be “a very rare and exciting event.” Children wouldn’t know what it was. > > As for summers, in the wake of Katrina “change-ist” groups like [realclimate.org](http://realclimate.org) predicted “global warming will make hurricanes even worse in the future.” > > What happened? > > Nothing. > > Europe has had three winters in a row of snow and cold temperatures. In the Atlantic, “there has been a dramatic decrease in the number of hurricanes in the last five years,” according to meteorologist Art Horn. “The total energy in all hurricanes around the world has plunged since 1993. The opposite of what was predicted.” > > So the new fall back is “global weirding.” > > The site [thedailygreen.com](http://thedailygreen.com) has a “Weird Weather Watch” page. The uber-liberal Huffington Post ran a story in August headlined “Global Weirding”: Extreme Climate Events Dominate The Summer.” > > “The extreme climate events all across the globe must say something about whether climate change is already upon us,” the HuffPo insisted. “ **Extreme is the new normal**.” February 3, 2011 [Reliable forecast under the weather – Boston Herald](http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/opinion/op_ed/2011/02/reliable_forecast_under_weather#sthash.4VatHKvC.dpuf) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/728 "2013-10-02T20:23:10Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So as I understand it, the theory is that the process of warming the planet via increased C02 will slow down for a number of years, until the sunspot cycle changes again. No, that is not " the theory", nor is there any evidence at present that the warming since the LIA has been due to an increase in CO2. The “theory” is that “the warming since the LIA has been due to an increase in CO2”, which is based on CO2 being “the control knob for climate”. That is “the theory”, which insists the sun has almost nothing to do with the climate, and rejects the increase in solar activity as being enough to change the climate. And “the theory” also says a quiet sun did not cause the LIA, or any of the other past climate events. In the words of those who promote the AGW theory, the sun is not even a player in climate change. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > until the sunspot cycle changes again. > > At which point the warming will pick up pace again. No, that is denier talk, even suggesting that the sun will change the climate. If you buy that, you have to also believe the sun could have caused the warming we have seen. It’s heresy. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So we may have a brief reprieve. So I guess it might give us time to get our shit together and actually do something about pumping more C02 into the atmosphere. So that’s good news. It’s not good news at all to those who have been trying to change the entire world, right now, to “save us” from Global Warming. In fact, it’s really bad news for them. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’m very glad that climate scientists continue to look into the science, and refine their models and theories. This is what science is about - finding the facts and then changing your theories and models. This is what they are doing. Youy must live in a dream world if you really believe that. In fact, that such an unbelievable claim, it must be a set up for something else. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This is as opposed to the denier community And there it is. Of course. Only “real scientist” are busy and able to “look into the science, and refine their models and theories”. Everybody who disagrees with them, they are deniers. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This is as opposed to the denier community, that starts off with an ideological mindset (I don’t want to change my lifestyle or my profitable company), and then seeks facts to fit. Oh yes, only the “denier world” would ever have “an ideological mindset” and seek only to prove what they already believe. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/729 "2013-10-03T10:21:26Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > (What the fuck does that even mean?) That does seem to be a problem with **GarbageSpewer**. It appears he doesn’t actually read or understand the points he pretends to respond to. Instead, it seems he just scans for key words or images and finds the closest argument he can on warmist web sites, often just cutting and pasting. He has little or no comprehension of the arguments he is making or the arguments he is responding to. Probably if you sat him down away from a computer and gave him a paper and pencil test about global warming (limited to non-controversial claims), he would fail miserably. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/730 "2013-10-04T13:32:36Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > That does seem to be a problem with **GarbageSpewer**. It appears he doesn’t actually read or understand the points he pretends to respond to. Instead, it seems he just scans for key words or images and finds the closest argument he can on warmist web sites, often just cutting and pasting. That’s what I noticed. After I started posting science based stuff that SS doesn’t cover, he stopped responding. Thinking is hard. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/731 "2013-10-08T21:31:20Z")
Billy says to Bob, “Hey Bob! What happened to your cows? [They is all dead!](http://bigballsincowtown.com/images/2013storm2.jpg)” Bob replies, “Global warming” > [@](#): > > PIERRE, S.D. (AP) — A record-breaking storm that dumped 4 feet of snow in parts of western South Dakota left ranchers dealing with heavy losses, in some cases perhaps up to half their herds, as they assess how many of their cattle died during the unseasonably early blizzard. > > Meanwhile, utility companies were working to restore power to tens of thousands of people still without electricity Monday after the weekend storm that was part of a powerful weather system that also buried parts of Wyoming and Colorado with snow and produced destructive tornadoes in Nebraska and Iowa. At least four deaths were attributed to the weather, including a South Dakota man who collapsed while cleaning snow off his roof. > **[Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More](https://news.yahoo.com/)** > > The latest news and headlines from Yahoo News. Get breaking news stories and in-depth coverage with videos and photos. Dead cattle due to record early blizzard. [http://bigballsincowtown.com/storm2013.htm](http://bigballsincowtown.com/storm2013.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/732 "2013-10-09T03:06:34Z")
> [@FX Mastermind](#): > > That is “the theory”, which insists the sun has almost nothing to do with the climate, and rejects the increase in solar activity as being enough to change the climate. And “the theory” also says a quiet sun did not cause the LIA, or any of the other past climate events. In the words of those who promote the AGW theory, the sun is not even a player in climate change. I think you seriously misunderstand what climate scientists are saying about solar climate forcings (i.e., effects of solar activity on climate change). As [this 2010 paper remarks](http://wires.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WiresArticle/wisId-WCC18.html), > [@](#): > > Today, solar cycles and trends are recognized as important components of natural climate variability on decadal to centennial time scales. Understanding solar‐terrestrial linkages is requisite for the comprehensive understanding of Earth’s evolving environment. The attribution of present‐day climate change, interpretation of changes prior to the industrial epoch, and forecast of future decadal climate change necessitate quantitative understanding of how, when, where, and why natural variability, including by the Sun, may exceed, obscure or mitigate anthropogenic changes. And it’s a mistake to think that scientists who are interested in anthropogenic climate change in particular aren’t also aware of non-anthropogenic factors like solar forcings. As [realclimate.org](http://realclimate.org)’s Rasmus Benestad [comments](http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/03/more-on-sun-climate-relations/comment-page-2/) on the abovementioned paper, > [@](#): > > […] I think her main conclusions are sound (Her estimate of the solar contribution to the global warming over past century – 10% or less – is in good agreement with the figure Gavin [Schmidt] and I got in our analysis). It’s pretty ridiculous to argue that scientists who study and discuss AGW (among whom [realclimate.org](http://realclimate.org) contributors like Benestad and Schmidt are some of the most active) don’t take solar forcings seriously as “a player in climate change”. Of course, if what you’re complaining about is not the perspective of actual mainstream climate science but a conveniently unspecified strawman assemblage of “those who promote the AGW theory”, then I guess those strawmen probably do say whatever you want them to say and are just as wrong about it as you want them to be, so you can have the fun of smacking them down for it on the internet. But it’s rather irresponsible to talk about your imaginary debating buddies in a way that risks conflating them with actual scientists who study climate in serious research. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/733 "2013-10-10T04:55:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I think you seriously misunderstand what climate scientists are saying about solar climate forcings (i.e., effects of solar activity on climate change). Could be, and since I don’t know what every climate scientist says, it’s highly likely I don’t even know what they have said about it. > [@Kimstu](#): > > But it’s rather irresponsible to talk about your imaginary debating buddies in a way that risks conflating them with actual scientists who study climate in serious research. I don’t think anyone will confuse message board commentary with actual scientific discourse. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Toothpaste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@James\_Toothpaste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Toothpaste)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/734 "2013-10-22T21:23:10Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Well, there is little doubt the predictions of the IPCC and the consensus and the models were right. > > [Global warming set to bring colder, snowier winters](http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/48293) > > [Cold Winters Driven By Global Warming](http://news.discovery.com/earth/cold-winter-snow-weather-global-warming-101222.htm) > > Damn you global warming. Damn you all to hell. Ugh, yes. :mad::mad::mad: ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/735 "2013-10-22T23:14:28Z")
Uh oh, is that global warming already set in where you live? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/736 "2013-10-24T23:00:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So as I understand it, the theory is that the process of warming the planet via increased C02 will slow down for a number of years, until the sunspot cycle changes again. > > At which point the warming will pick up pace again. No, that is NOT the official story at all. Global warming has not stopped, or even slowed. In fact, it has increased. It’s just that now all the heat is going into the deep ocean, so much so that the temperature records actually show it’s cooling, but it’s not, it’s warming. If this keeps up, the oceans taking all our heat, soon we will experience record cold, even as the world experiences global warming like nobody has ever seen before. The record early cold and snow already happening (again) right now is a sure sign of how bad global warming has become. If the NH winter trend continues, which is now blamed on global warming, the world could be buried by epic snow and ice, with deadly freezing temperatures, as global warming continues it’s deadly advance. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/737 "2013-10-29T18:24:05Z")
God damn it, this global warming really sucks. > [@](#): > > Anyone looking to get some delicious Chilean fruit this winter is going to be disappointed, as [the worst frost in more than 80 years](http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/26/global-warming-chile-hit-with-worst-cold-spell-in-80-years/#ixzz2j8XMwM8V) has damaged 50 million boxes of fruit exports — causing the country to declare a state of emergency in its agricultural sector. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/738 "2013-10-29T21:27:37Z")
Still not sick of trolling the thread though, are ya? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/739 "2013-10-29T22:04:47Z")
All quotes from [Weather News | Weather Underground](http://www.wunderground.com/news/global-warming-winters-20130328) > [@](#): > > Millions of people in America and northern Europe are still battling snow and ice, wondering why they are being punished with bitter cold when – officially – spring has arrived and **Earth is in the grip of global warming**. > > Yet some scientists, eyeing the fourth year in a row of exceptionally harsh late-winter weather in parts of Europe and North America, suggest **warming is precisely the problem**. That’s not a joke. It’s serious. The trend of colder winters, with more snow, longer cold periods, even earlier frosts and snow, it’s being blamed on global warming. > [@](#): > > In a complex tango between ocean and atmosphere, warming is causing icy polar air to be displaced southwards, they contend. > > “The linkage is becoming clearer and clearer, I think, although the science has not yet been settled,” said Dim Coumou of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) near Berlin. This line or reasoning actually started in 2010, after record breaking cold and blizzards made it really hard to say the globe was warming. > [@](#): > > The theory derives from a long-studied Arctic phenomenon called a positive feedback – in plain words, a vicious circle. > > Rising temperatures are melting the Arctic’s floating cap of sea ice, especially in summer. > > In 1979, when satellite measurements began, summer ice covered some seven million square kilometres (2.7 million square miles), roughly equivalent to 90 percent the area of Australia. > > In September 2012, summer ice hit its lowest extent on record, at just 3.4 million sq. kms (1.31 million sq. miles). > > Take away reflective ice, and you have a dark sea that absorbs solar radiation, which in turn reinforces the melting, and so on. So the warming arctic is causing the fall and winter to be colder in the NH. (the same thing is also happening in the SH, but that is another matter) > [@](#): > > But the theory suggests the added heat, stored over a vast area of surface water, is also gradually released into the atmosphere during the Arctic autumn. > > It increases air pressure and moisture in the Arctic, reducing the temperature differential with lower latitudes. > > Here’s what happens next: The polar vortex, a powerful circular wind that essentially pens Arctic air to the roof of the world, begins to weaken. > > Finding itself released, a mass of moist cold air spills southward, bringing snow and chill down into North America and Europe. > > And it tends to stay there, because of what happens to the jet stream. Sure this may sound like a desperate tactic to somehow save face, since at the same time we are told the planet is hotter than ever, the winters are getting worse. > [@](#): > > Instead of encircling the northern hemisphere in a sturdy and predictable fashion, this high-altitude wind takes a lazy looping path, zigzagging over the United States, the Atlantic and Europe. The southern parts of the loops get a bout of cold weather that becomes stalled in place. > > “Heat that is stored in the (Arctic) ocean can rapidly transfer to the atmosphere, and this affects the dynamics” of northern hemisphere weather patterns, said Coumou in a phone interview. Obviously at some point, the people telling us global warming is going to make winters warmer, snow less frequent, and the frost line further north, obviously at some point they have to face the music. > [@](#): > > “We’ve had a couple of winters (in Europe) where you’ve had rather shorter-term cold spells, of a duration of maybe 10, 20, 30 days… It’s been the same in the continental US and Canada where they’ve seen similar quite bizarre cold spells but of a relatively shorter period.” That’s sort of a bullshit answer, but it does show how the story is changing. > [@](#): > > Charles Greene, director of the Ocean Resources and Ecosystems Program at Cornell University in New York, said Arctic warming added a joker or two to the climate pack. > > “With the changes in sea ice, we set up a situation where we stack the deck, increasing the probability of these invasions of cold Arctic air,” he said. The thing is, if you look at the long term trends, the last two decades (since 1992) show this trend for large parts of the NH to be having colder winters. And the winter snow amounts have been going up. At the same time the spring and summer temperatures are rising, and the snow levels pretty much dropped off the charts. So, assuming it actually is global warming causing this (and that story hasn’t changed), the brutal cold winters, and record snow amounts, are actually global warming. And I fucking hate cold. It makes me sick. Because most people actually don’t know what is really happening (like the winter temperature trends for the last twenty years), they think bitching about the cold, and blaming it on global warming, seems insane. If you think about it, since the summers and spring temperatures are still going up most places, but the yearly average is not, how can that be happening? It’s due to the fall and winter temperatures falling. If you average it all out it seems almost flat, or falling slightly. But if you look at the seasons, you can see what is actually happening with the NH temperatures. Hotter spring and summers are being balanced with colder fall and winters, making it seem like globally there isn’t much warming at all. (only in some areas, this does NOT mean the entire NH) It’s ironic, especially since for decades they predicted warmer winters with less snow. OK not everyone, a few mavericks actually predicted this back in the eighties, but the consensus made sure that never appeared in the press. With the right amount of propaganda, in a few years most people will actually believe the colder winters were predicted all along. In any case, nobody will ever admit to being wrong. Damn you global warming. Damn you all to herll. ---
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Oh sure you might say, that sounds like a load of horseshit. But even the SS is buying the global-warming-is-making-it-colder line. > **[Global Warming and Cold Winters](https://skepticalscience.com/Global-Warming-Cold-Winters.html)** > > Guest post by D.Salmons If you were to look out most windows as of this writing, there is a good chance that you would be presented with an image of winter. All around me, winter has sprung, dumping measurable inches of frozen precipitation ... > [@](#): > > Well, the effects of global warming are all around us. **That harsh winter that we are experiencing, it is not proof that global warming is not happening, but rather serves as proof that it is indeed happening** , and even a bit faster than we might like to think. It also shows why the phrase “Climate Change” is a better term to describe the effects of man on his environment. > > Vladimir Petoukhov, a climate scientist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, has recently completed a study on the effect of climate change on winter. According to Petoukhov, > > These anomalies could triple the probability of cold winter extremes in Europe and northern Asia. Recent severe winters like last year’s or the one of 2005-06 do not conflict with the global warming picture, but rather supplement it. > But how does a colder winter support the idea of a warming earth? It’s really simple when you look at the evidence. [http://news.discovery.com/earth/cold-winter-snow-weather-global-warming-101222.htm](http://news.discovery.com/earth/cold-winter-snow-weather-global-warming-101222.htm) > [@](#): > > Bitingly cold weather wreaked havoc across Europe in the winter months of 2005-2006, dumping snow in southern Spain and plunging eastern Europe and Russia into an unusually – and deadly – deep freeze. > > Another sustained cold streak in 2009-2010, gave Britain its coldest winter in 14 years, and wreaked transportation havoc across the continent. This year seems poised to deliver a repeat performance. > > At first glance, this flurry of frostiness would seem to be at odds with standard climate change scenarios in which Earth’s temperature steadily rises, possibly by as much as five or six degrees Celsius (9.0 to 10.8 degrees Fahrenheit) by 2100. > > Climate skeptics who question the gravity of global warming or that humans are to blame point to the deep chills as confirmation of their doubts. > > Such assertions, counter scientists, mistakenly conflate the long-term patterns of climate with the short-term vagaries of weather, and ignore regional variation in climate change impacts. > > **New research, however, goes further, showing that global warming has actually contributed to Europe’s winter blues**. So remember, the next time you re complaining about how fucking cold it is, or how unusual the snow is, remember, it’s global warming. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=38)