# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/761 "2013-11-10T17:12:54Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > It is simple-the model fails to jibe with the observation. That means either: > -the model is incorrect > (or) > -the measurements are incorrect But that isn’t how science works. They just adjust the models, and explain how they didn’t actually predict what happened. It’s not that they were incorrect, they just needed adjusting. > [@ralph124c](#): > > Note: all world temperature data from before about AD 1760 is conjecture. It is nice to speculate about what the summertime temperatures in Greenland in AD1000 were, but NOBODY KNOWS! But we do know the climate, because old Viking remains are showing up as the ice melts. This means the climate was warmer when they established settlements, around 1000 years ago. And we know from ice cores of the melting ice it became much colder around 700 years ago, and starting warming up 150 years ago. Just as in Alaska, retreating glaciers show that it was much warmer in the past than it is now. > [@ralph124c](#): > > Now, the High Priests of the COGW are proposing that the global “warming” has halted for about 20 years-it will be fun to see what explanation they offer for this. No, they still insist the warming has not stopped. You can’t stop global warming. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/762 "2013-11-16T19:13:23Z")
> [@](#): > > ATHENS, GA (CBS ATLANTA) - > Athens broke a record low temperature Thursday that previously stood for over 100 years. > > The temperature dropped to 23 degrees at 5:48 a.m. Wednesday morning in Athens which broke the record low of 24 degrees previously set in 1911. > > The cold temperatures are a result of an arctic airmass that moved southward into the U.S. from Canada. [http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/23961906/athens-breaks-record-low-wednesday](http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/23961906/athens-breaks-record-low-wednesday) Damn you Global Warming. Damn you. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/763 "2013-11-16T19:16:31Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/23961906/athens-breaks-record-low-wednesday](http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/23961906/athens-breaks-record-low-wednesday) > > Damn you Global Warming. Damn you. Wow, that’s the sort of thing that a stupid person would think is a smoking gun. Nice find. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/764 "2013-11-16T19:55:30Z")
It never ceases to amaze me that anecdotal evidence in support of GW is ridiculed and yet anecdotal “counter evidence” keeps getting offered up. When you add energy into a system it tends to become more volatile. That might mean, for example, 3 places are 2 degrees hotter and one place is 4 degrees cooler. That volatility means that the specifics get much harder to predict. To the extent that those who favor the GW theory use anecdotal evidence to support their POV, they’re being foolish. The contrary side is just being ludicrous. The issue with GW is not that some GW hasn’t happened before. It’s that while a hunter gatherer “civilization” might weather it well, a modern civilization that relies on being able to grow crops in very specific places and living in highly vulnerable areas is probably going to suffer more in the long term. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/765 "2013-11-16T22:09:29Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > The issue with GW is not that some GW hasn’t happened before. It’s that while a hunter gatherer “civilization” might weather it well, a modern civilization that relies on being able to grow crops in very specific places and living in highly vulnerable areas is probably going to suffer more in the long term. That is not even close to the problems prophesied. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/766 "2013-11-17T06:33:17Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > That is not even close to the problems prophesied. You might note that quite often the prophets are a place or two removed from the actual science. ---
**Author:** ![Peaton\_of\_peat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecae2f/32.png) [@Peaton\_of\_peat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peaton_of_peat)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/767 "2013-11-17T16:42:44Z")
This thread is seriously more embarrassing than **DrDeth** ’s pitting of **SenorBeef** because the Game of Thrones TV thread had a “no-spoilers” rule. That one was only half as long and when he came up with his hilarious burn “WHERE’S THE BEEF?” he only repeated it like 5 times instead of going on for 16 goddamn pages. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/768 "2013-11-17T17:24:25Z")
Global warming made you say that. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/769 "2013-11-17T19:20:53Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > It never ceases to amaze me that anecdotal evidence in support of GW is ridiculed and yet anecdotal “counter evidence” keeps getting offered up. Well my impression is that the “anecdotal counter evidence” is largely aimed at ridiculing the “anecdotal evidence” you refer to. > [@](#): > > When you add energy into a system it tends to become more volatile. That might mean, for example, 3 places are 2 degrees hotter and one place is 4 degrees cooler. > > That volatility means that the specifics get much harder to predict. Well how would measure “volatility” scientifically? If there’s no way to measure it then your claim is meaningless. If there is a way to measure it, then specific predictions are possible. By the way, when you refer to “GW,” what exactly do you mean? Would you care to offer a precise definition of “GW”? > [@](#): > > It’s that while a hunter gatherer “civilization” might weather it well, a modern civilization that relies on being able to grow crops in very specific places and living in highly vulnerable areas is probably going to suffer more in the long term. If this is correct, then the world’s emergence from the Little Ice Age would have been expected to cause a lot of “suffering,” agreed? ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/770 "2013-11-17T23:13:11Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Wow, that’s the sort of thing that a stupid person would think is a smoking gun. > > Nice find. But, but, but, Local Warming was a hoax for one day last week in a small city in Georgia. So there. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/771 "2013-11-18T00:12:05Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Now, the High Priests of the COGW are proposing that the global “warming” has halted for about 20 years-it will be fun to see what explanation they offer for this. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > No, they still insist the warming has not stopped. You can’t stop global warming. > [@](#): > > The new research published in the Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society shows that the Arctic is warming at about eight times the pace of the rest of the planet. Previous studies by the UK Met Office based on the HadCRUT4 dataset, which only covers about five-sixths of the globe, suggest that global warming has slowed substantially since 1997. The new research suggests, however, that the addition of the ‘missing’ data indicates that **the rate of warming since 1997 has been two and a half times greater than shown in the Met Office studies.** > **['Missing heat' discovery prompts new estimate of global warming: Arctic...](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131113092217.htm)** > > Scientists say they have found "missing heat" in Earth's climate system, casting doubt on suggestions that global warming has slowed or stopped over the past decade. The new research shows that the Arctic is warming at about eight times the pace... Never you mind that there hasn’t actually been any warming. They are claiming " the Arctic is warming at about eight times the pace of the rest of the planet", which would mean, in a scientific world, the arctic is cooling eight times faster. Except Trenberth says the heat is in the deep oceans, to explain why there has been no measurable warming. So we have two different “reasons” here. The heat went into the oceans, or the world is actually warming and we didn’t measure it. Damn global warming. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/772 "2013-11-18T06:10:16Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well how would measure “volatility” scientifically? If there’s no way to measure it then your claim is meaningless. If there is a way to measure it, then specific predictions are possible. > > By the way, when you refer to “GW,” what exactly do you mean? Would you care to offer a precise definition of “GW”? The world is getting a little warmer. The longer we wait, the warmer overall it will get. The world climate is a complex system. There are no precise definitions. > [@brazil84](#): > > If this is correct, then the world’s emergence from the Little Ice Age would have been expected to cause a lot of “suffering,” agreed? No. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/773 "2013-11-18T09:36:47Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > The world is getting a little warmer. The longer we wait, the warmer overall it will get. The world climate is a complex system. There are no precise definitions. If you are unable to offer a precise definition for “GW” or to explain how “volatility” might be measured, then your statements are meaningless. > [@](#): > > No. Why not? You seem to be claiming that increases in global temperature cause changes in the locations where crops can be grown which causes “suffering.” Did I misunderstand you? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/774 "2013-11-18T12:37:03Z")
40 million years ago, the high Canadian Arctic had the same climate as present-day South Florida. The land now known as Ellesmere island had lush forests, swamps, and giant cedar trees. There were mammals, birds, crocodiles. That’s the kind of planet I would like-life is a lot easier when it is warmer. At the present (inter-glacial period), the polar regions are locked in ice-I prefer the tropical scenario. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/775 "2013-11-18T14:41:06Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > The world is getting a little warmer. Not at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/776 "2013-11-18T21:59:40Z")
I don’t know guys, I’m starting to warm to this idea of Climate Change. the whole idea seems pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/777 "2013-11-19T04:06:45Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Not at the moment. Of course it is. It’s much warmer right now in Athens, GA than it was last Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/778 "2013-11-19T05:02:24Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Of course it is. It’s much warmer right now in Athens, GA than it was last Wednesday. And cooler than 8 hours ago. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/779 "2013-11-19T12:06:51Z")
When there is a bad storm (just one, for the entire year), it’s “the new normal”, it’s “global warming”, and it is your fault. You caused it, along with everyone else who dared live life using coal or oil or natural gas. Hurricane Sandy was climate change. Just like Katrina was. Climate, as in global warming. Katrina, the new normal. After Katrina there was 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and of course 2010. Then 2011, and finally another big hurricane in 2012. Climate change! You see? The new normal. But last years 28 named winter storms, that was just weather. Some of them were huge destructive blizzards. Just weather. If it’s a warm weather event, it’s global warming, man made climate change. It it’s record cold, increasing snow in winter, late frost in spring, unheard of early snow and frost, it’s just weather. It means nothing. But if it’s hot, it’s news. Record cold in China. Just weather. [Record unprecedented snow](http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-record-snowfall-plunges-china-into-a-cold-freeze-1330736). Just weather. [Coldest winter in recent history](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/08/china-cold/1817271/). Just weather. Record sea ice, [cooling trend in Alaska](http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2013/01/02/As-globe-warms-Alaska-is-cooling-down/UPI-41151357163334/), for over a decade, just weather. But one hot day, it’s the new normal, it’s climate change. Weather means global warming, unless it’s cold weather. Except now [even cold weather is global warming](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/opinion/26cohen.html?_r=1&). December 2010 was the coldest month ever in Florida. Since records began. Just weather. Yet it fit the colder winter trend that has been happening for decades. Just weather. One hot day in Florida, global warming. Climate change. Global warming can do anything. It’s making me sick. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/780 "2013-11-19T12:31:08Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Of course it is. It’s much warmer right now in Athens, GA than it was last Wednesday. It’s the new normal. Except of course, it isn’t. Records for Athens show November temperatures have been falling foe the last three decades. .9 F a decade in fact. Cold record for Athens Nov 19th 20 °F (2008) 18th 23 °F (1891) 17th 25 °F (1984) 16th 19 °F (1940) 15th 20 °F (1969) 14th 23 °F (2013) 13th 23 °F (2013) > **[Local Weather Forecast, News and Conditions | Weather Underground](https://www.wunderground.com/?cm_ven=cgi)** > > Weather Underground provides local & long-range weather forecasts, weather reports, maps & tropical weather conditions for locations worldwide Checking the hot day records, only four of them are from this century. Climate records show Georgia has in fact, only warmed in November by .8 F since records began. Whaaat? That’s crazy/ Cherry picking. Look at the annual temperatures damn you! Georgia, since NCDC data begins, has cooled by .5 degrees F In fact, all the records show the hottest years were in the 1920 and 30s [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=40)