# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/781 "2013-11-19T13:12:49Z")
I used to think you were either stupid or a paid shill. Now I think you’re either stupid or a stupid paid shill. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/782 "2013-11-19T13:42:14Z")
Since I became a skeptic, I tend to check the sources, rather than listen to claims, that are just said as fact. > [@](#): > > Alaska, Jan. 2 (UPI) – **Despite a global trend of warming climate** , Alaska has been experiencing a widespread cooling pattern for at least a decade, scientists say. > In the first decade since 2000, the state has cooled an average of 2.4 degrees Fahrenheit, the online newspaper Alaska Dispatch reported. > > That’s a “large value for a decade,” the Alaska Climate Research Center at the University of Alaska Fairbanks said in a report published in the Atmospheric Science Journal. > > Cooling temperatures have been recorded at 19 of the 20 National Weather Service stations spread throughout Alaska, the report said. Read more: [Alaska has been cooling for a decade despite global warming trend - UPI.com](http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2013/01/02/As-globe-warms-Alaska-is-cooling-down/UPI-41151357163334/#ixzz2l6ATZ4Um) I checked, and the story is 100% accurate. Except for that first sentence. **Despite a global trend of warming climate** There has been no global warming trend since 1997, or 1995, depends on the data set used. But every last data set shows cooling since 2002. This doesn’t change the long term trend (since the little ice age there is no doubt the world has warmed). It just means now there is no warming trend. And “now” is where people actually live and work. It’s interesting that the cooling since 2002 shows up clearly in the Alaska climate record. The stations near the Bering Sea show a much larger drop in temperatures, which mirrors the increasing ice in the Bering Sea. [http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region.2.html](http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region.2.html) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/783 "2013-11-19T13:43:58Z")
Of course since it’s cooling, it doesn’t mean anything. If Alaska showed a warming trend since 2000, you would see it repeated over and over. Global warming. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/784 "2013-11-19T13:47:31Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I used to think you were either stupid or a paid shill. Now I think you’re either stupid or a stupid paid shill. Why pay for stupid when so many are giving it away for free? Seriously, if they’re paying this guy I hope they kept the receipt. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/785 "2013-11-19T14:08:50Z")
According to internet experts, like we see above, facts and data are stupid. But only if they don’t support the experts opinion, their belief if you will. Looking at actual data, to them, is “stupid”. And they wonder why nobody pays attention to their opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/786 "2013-11-19T14:16:33Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > According to internet experts, like we see above, facts and data are stupid. But only if they don’t support the experts opinion, their belief if you will. > > Looking at actual data, to them, is “stupid”. > > And they wonder why nobody pays attention to their opinion. Facts and data: good. Making conclusions not supported by that data: stupid. Assuming that everyone cherrypicks data as much as you do: stupider. Continuing to claim that local weather data demonstrates anything conclusive about climate: stupiderer. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/787 "2013-11-19T14:48:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Facts and data: good. > > Making conclusions not supported by that data: stupid. On that we certainly agree. It’s why somebody taking a record hot day for a city and saying it is global warming is stupid. Looking at the CLIMATE data and noting the long term trend is cooling, that is science. Noting that a two day period in Athens Georgia was the coldest ever recorded, that is not a matter of opinion or conclusion. It’s just a fact. Looking at the long term climate data for Athens, and noting it is colder now than it was a hundred years ago, that is a fact. Using that to say the NH is colder would be ridiculous. Looking at the climate data for the NH and noting it clearly shows cooling since 2002, using any data set, is a fact. It doesn’t mean there has been no warming since the little ice age. It just means it isn’t warming in the last decade. Noting that this trend matches the temperature trend in Alaska, that is science. Looking at the entire NH and noting there is a pronounced cooling trend since 1992, for the Boreal winters, that is science. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/788 "2013-11-19T14:54:21Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Continuing to claim that local weather data demonstrates anything conclusive about climate: stupiderer. Actually, long term weather data is how we determine climate. Ignoring it when it shows cooling is stupid. Even the NCDC notes the areas that show long term cooling trends. You can’t just ignore it. Climate change does not mean everywhere will be warmer. In fact, CO2 theory of global warming predicts, with no wiggle room, that winters in the NH should warm faster than anything else. It’s PHYSICS bitch. Warmer winters, a warming arctic, they are two key predictions for GhGs caused climate change. It’s why as we waste our time here, climate experts are trying to both figure out why it isn’t happening, and how to “adjust” the climate models to make them show this. It’s a serious problem for alarmists. Exactly why, after many years of worse winters, they started claiming colder winters were also due to global warming. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/789 "2013-11-19T15:39:07Z")
Was it cold in Georgia last week? [=GA#records\_look\_up"]Oh hell yes]([http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/daily/mint/2013/11/14?sts](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/daily/mint/2013/11/14?sts)[). In two days 11 all time records were broken [=GA#records\_look\_up"]for cold temperatures](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/daily/mint/2013/11/13?sts%5B). No wait, [=GA#records\_look\_up"]more than that]([http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/daily/lomx/2013/11/14?sts](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/daily/lomx/2013/11/14?sts)[). Does that alone mean much? Nope, just weather. Until you look at the long term CLIMATE DATA and find it shows a cooling trend for Georgia. Both for November, and for the yearly temperature. Then it is climate data. If the climate of Georgia **had become much warmer** , then record cold would be just weather. When it matches the trend, it’s confirmation of the trend. It’s not even unexpected. (unless you believe the MsM bullshit of course) Florida clearly shows the same thing. December trend for the last 100 years, -.2 degrees colder. January, -2.2 degrees colder. February, - .9 degrees. It’s a fact that winters in Florida are colder, not warmer. Does that mean Florida is somehow immune to global warming? Nope. The 100 year trend shows .2 degrees F warming. How the fuck does that happen? Because the rest of the year shows WARMING. That’s right, clear warming trends. except for Winter Florida has warmed. But that bitch of a colder winter trend (-1.2 degrees a century) makes it look like Florida hasn’t warmed much. Here’s the thing. Looking at the data, it’s obvious that colder winters are the problem. Not just for Georgia and Florida, but the entire NH yearly record is being skewed by the cold winters. Fuck, if winter temps just had stayed the same, we would see global warming for the last decade. Instead of a slight cooling. Ain’t that a bitch? Because the CO2 theory predicts winter warming, it’s a real bitch. That is a fact, Jack. You know in your heart it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/790 "2013-11-19T16:06:36Z")
Cause I know some of you bitches ain’t read the whole topic, here’s the SCIENCE bitches. > [@](#): > > The most up to date consensus from global climate models predicts warming in the Northern Hemisphere (NH) high- to mid-latitudes during boreal winter. However, recent trends in observed NH winter surface temperatures diverge from these projections. For the last two decades, large-scale cooling trends exist instead across large stretches of eastern North America and northern Eurasia. We argue that this unforeseen trend is likely not due to internal variability alone. [http://www.aer.com/news-events/resource-library/arctic-warming-increasing-snow-cover-1-and-widespread-boreal-winter-coo](http://www.aer.com/news-events/resource-library/arctic-warming-increasing-snow-cover-1-and-widespread-boreal-winter-coo) [http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014007](http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014007) What the fuck does that mean? > [@](#): > > The most up to date consensus from global climate models predicts warming in the Northern Hemisphere (NH) high- to mid-latitudes during boreal winter. that is common knowledge to climate science. CO2 forced warming absolutely means winter warming, especially in the NH. It’s a key feature of GhG warming. > [@](#): > > However, recent trends in observed NH winter surface temperatures diverge from these projections. that is Newspeak for “what happened was completly the opposite of what we expected to see happen”. Winters got worse, not warmer. > [@](#): > > For the last two decades, large-scale cooling trends exist instead across large stretches of eastern North America and northern Eurasia. In essence, the goddamn colder winters, with much more snow, can’t be ignored any longer. It’s become a real bitch. > [@](#): > > We argue that this unforeseen trend is likely not due to internal variability alone. In other words, not only did shit go nothing like we expected, but we think it’s actually CAUSED by global warming. The unexpected rapid melting of sea ice, (not predicted either), has led to unexpected early heavy snow, which leads to a feedback effect making it much fucking colder, with more snow, in the NH winters. It’s the closest you will see to anyone admitting the models were completely wrong about winters, and shit is going down in completely unexpected ways. GIGOgalloper can’t answer this, because SkS has ignored this. And you won’t find it on Wattsupwiththat either. It’s one reason I fucking hate both sides in the climate wars. Obviously we are seeing global warming, just not the way it was predicted. No surprise there. “Science and Mother Nature are in a marriage where Science is always surprised to come home and find Mother Nature blowing the neighbor.” ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/791 "2013-11-19T16:09:03Z")
We seriously need a troll smiley… ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/792 "2013-11-19T16:23:12Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If the data is correct, and I tend to assume there is no vast conspiracy to change weather records, the last two decades is a most unusual time. Spring and summer show clear warming trends, for most of the NH. But fall and winter show cooling trends for large portions of the NH. It’s not just people thinking the winters are getting worse, they actually are. These facts are a real problem for the staunch alarmists, as they have spent so much time acting all cocksure and arrogant. To find that twenty years of good data makes their story a joke, that has to burn. Worst of all, that the data shows warming also causes butthurt in the denial camp, who insist mankind isn;t fucking up the planet. (which we certainly are) Meanwhile, the idiots keep preaching, and the fools follow them with out question. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/793 "2013-11-19T16:30:23Z")
It’s like watching a Gish Gallop against climate change. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/794 "2013-11-19T16:36:10Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Cause I know some of you bitches ain’t read the whole topic, here’s the SCIENCE bitches. > > [http://www.aer.com/news-events/resource-library/arctic-warming-increasing-snow-cover-1-and-widespread-boreal-winter-coo](http://www.aer.com/news-events/resource-library/arctic-warming-increasing-snow-cover-1-and-widespread-boreal-winter-coo) > [Radware Captcha Page](http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014007) > > What the fuck does that mean? > that is common knowledge to climate science. CO2 forced warming absolutely means winter warming, especially in the NH. It’s a key feature of GhG warming. > that is Newspeak for “what happened was completly the opposite of what we expected to see happen”. Winters got worse, not warmer. > In essence, the goddamn colder winters, with much more snow, can’t be ignored any longer. It’s become a real bitch. > In other words, not only did shit go nothing like we expected, but we think it’s actually CAUSED by global warming. > > The unexpected rapid melting of sea ice, (not predicted either), has led to unexpected early heavy snow, which leads to a feedback effect making it much fucking colder, with more snow, in the NH winters. > > It’s the closest you will see to anyone admitting the models were completely wrong about winters, and shit is going down in completely unexpected ways. > > GIGOgalloper can’t answer this, because SkS has ignored this. And you won’t find it on Wattsupwiththat either. It’s one reason I fucking hate both sides in the climate wars. > > Obviously we are seeing global warming, just not the way it was predicted. > > No surprise there. > > “Science and Mother Nature are in a marriage where Science is always surprised to come home and find Mother Nature blowing the neighbor.” Well that’s certainly an … _interesting_…interpretation of that article. The article proposes a new variable to the global warming model by correlating the effects of variability of snow cover (caused by increased high-latitude humidity which was itself caused by global warming) on Northern Hemisphere land masses on the [Arctic Oscillation](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_oscillation). Basically, increased snow cover one winter encourages a negative AO for the following winter, causing the Arctic air to push further south in the winter _in some areas_ and therefore you get colder winters in those places. Why you think this somehow refutes **Gigobuster** ’s arguments is beyond me…well, no, actually, it’s fairly evident that it’s because you’re stupid. But at least you’re admitting that global warming is happening. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/795 "2013-11-19T17:01:12Z")
I’m not sure I have ever seen so much furious masturbating in a single thread. Please remember to stay hydrated, **FX**! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/796 "2013-11-19T17:18:48Z")
Nobody has ever read a single instance where I claimed climate change isn’t real, isn’t happening (in some areas), or that our huge amount of CO2 increase, from fossil fuels, from turning vast expanses of forests into grassland, or toilet paper, from cement making, hasn’t altered the atmospheric chemistry. Same for my concerns over fucking up the oceans, by too much CO2, by destroying reefs, by overfishing and pollution, by giant oil spills and such. But nobody really gives a flying fuck about that. It’s goddamn global warming that is the bogieman causing all the butthurt. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/797 "2013-11-19T17:23:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think the problem is that you suck at irony. Oh yeah, that is the real problem. Fuck global warming, it’s people that suck at irony that are the real problem. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/798 "2013-11-19T17:35:38Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Nobody has ever read a single instance where I claimed climate change isn’t real, isn’t happening (in some areas), or that our huge amount of CO2 increase, from fossil fuels, from turning vast expanses of forests into grassland, or toilet paper, from cement making, hasn’t altered the atmospheric chemistry. > > Same for my concerns over fucking up the oceans, by too much CO2, by destroying reefs, by overfishing and pollution, by giant oil spills and such. > > But nobody really gives a flying fuck about that. It’s goddamn global warming that is the bogieman causing all the butthurt. So you’ve got a 16 page thread going for what purpose? Not a single person reading this has any clue what the hell you’re arguing for or against. You seem to be flinging random citations up against the wall for some reason. Because, I dunno, you’re pissed that it’s cold in Atlanta or something. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/799 "2013-11-19T17:36:25Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The article proposes a new variable to the global warming model Not really. They are trying to get a foot in the door. In reality, the global warmers are still trying to change the records so that warning hasn’t slowed at all. The “deep oceans ate my warming” idea didn’t fly, so now it is > [@](#): > > If you fill these data gaps using satellite measurements, the warming trend is more than doubled in the widely used HadCRUT4 data, and **the much-discussed “warming pause” has virtually disappeared**. [RealClimate: Global Warming Since 1997 Underestimated by Half](http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/11/global-warming-since-1997-underestimated-by-half/) See? it’s magic. And they claim that the arctic, and the winters, have warmed much more than the data shows. which is at odds with the data used in the paper I quoted from. Then we have the magic of the winters are actually caused by warming. > [@](#): > > That harsh winter that we are experiencing, it is not proof that global warming is not happening, **but rather serves as proof that it is indeed happening** , and even a bit faster than we might like to think. > **[Global Warming and Cold Winters](https://skepticalscience.com/Global-Warming-Cold-Winters.html)** > > Guest post by D.Salmons If you were to look out most windows as of this writing, there is a good chance that you would be presented with an image of winter. All around me, winter has sprung, dumping measurable inches of frozen precipitation ... See? harsh record cold winters PROVE GLOBAL WARMING is happening. Even faster than the models predicted! It’s amazing. While cold winters **can’t** be used to say **it’s not getting warmer** , they CAN be used to prove it’s getting warmer! SCIENCE BITCHES! > [@](#): > > These anomalies could triple the probability of cold winter extremes in Europe and northern Asia. Recent severe winters like last year’s or the one of 2005-06 do not conflict with the global warming picture, but rather supplement it. > **But how does a colder winter support the idea of a warming earth**? It’s really simple when you look at the evidence. If you are a scientific person, that sort of shit can make you want to bitchslap somebody. First, they claim the winters aren’t colder. then after that simply is impossible to keep saying, they claim it doesn’t mean anything, natural variation, there will still be the occasional cold winter. Then when the trend is so obvious it can’t be handwaved away, the very same people who said cold winters don’t mean anything, **now claim cold winters mean global warming**. And if you point out this insane behavior, you get called a troll or something. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/800 "2013-11-19T17:39:19Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > So you’ve got a 16 page thread going for what purpose? Not a single person reading this has any clue what the hell you’re arguing for or against. Bullshit. I know there are at least two people who get it. That GIGOgalloper quite the thread is also sort of awesome. As soon as I brought up science he fled. His blog SkS isn’t prepared for a scientific debate, much less up on the latest research. And he clearly isn’t a thinker himself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=41)