# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/801 "2013-11-19T17:43:58Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > It’s like watching a Gish Gallop against climate change. Do you think you could provide precise definition of “climate change”? For example, did the Little Ice Age count as “climate change”? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/802 "2013-11-19T17:44:06Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You know in your heart it’s true. Only to people who don’t know the difference between weather and climate. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/803 "2013-11-19T17:56:44Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Do you think you could provide precise definition of “climate change”? > > For example, did the Little Ice Age count as “climate change”? Since I know good and damn well the shit flinging monkeys will never answer. Yes, the little ice age was climate change. Climate change is when the long term temperature, precipitation and wind values for a region change. Climate history shows many changes, both on the very long timeline, as well as within a few hundred years. Sometimes climate changes rapidly, usually it is gradual. But extreme droughts and changes of climate in some regions are a well known feature of the last 5000 years (where we have archaeological records) as well as proxy data to know it happened. The climate has changed in the last 150 years, which we known from good evidence. Extreme regional climates are mostly effected by changes in rainfall, not temperature. Currently the data shows a gradual warming since the little ice age, punctuated by a short cooling period that ended in 1979 for many areas. the little ice age is a well known climate change, despite what the insane warmists try to say. Same for the MWP, and the Roman warm period, and the Holocene climactic optimum, around 5000 years ago, when sea levels were 3 meters higher worldwide. See how easy it is to actually answer a question? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/804 "2013-11-19T17:58:39Z")
Now will the idiots among us please return to your one line commentary. Try to use the word “stupid” and act like you are smarter than anyone else. I know you can do it. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/805 "2013-11-19T18:46:39Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Since I know good and damn well the shit flinging monkeys will never answer. Well the funny thing is that they don’t seem to consciously realize it’s a serious problem that they subscribe to a theory which they cannot define with any degree of precision. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/806 "2013-11-19T19:34:23Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Bullshit. I know there are at least two people who get it. > > That GIGOgalloper quite the thread is also sort of awesome. As soon as I brought up science he fled. His blog SkS isn’t prepared for a scientific debate, much less up on the latest research. > > And he clearly isn’t a thinker himself. You know, it might be just the sheer tonnage of monkey screeching and masturbatory rhetoric you and brazil84 are flinging in this thread that drove him, and just about everyone else, out. I know I, for one, lost interest in this thread when it became the FXMastermind and brazil84 show. Most of us have moved on to saner pastures. But every time the weather changes, you come back into this thread to yet again claim victory by sheer volume of posts. It’s actually sort of fascinating- like if the two of you tell each other you’re right enough, even _you_ will start to believe it. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/807 "2013-11-19T19:43:05Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > You know, it might be just the sheer tonnage of monkey screeching and masturbatory rhetoric you and brazil84 are flinging in this thread that drove him, and just about everyone else, out. I know I, for one, lost interest in this thread when it became the FXMastermind and brazil84 show. Most of us have moved on to saner pastures. > > But every time the weather changes, you come back into this thread to yet again claim victory by sheer volume of posts. It’s actually sort of fascinating- like if the two of you tell each other you’re right enough, even _you_ will start to believe it. I believe that just about everyone else is tired of feeding the troll. You know, if you feed him he’ll just follow you home, right? And I don’t think he’s house broken, plus he smells bad and had flees as well. Just give it some thought…there are a lot of decaffeinated sodas out today that are just as tasty as the real thing, so perhaps even if it’s cute you can just let this troll find some other new home. ---
**Author:** ![Peaton\_of\_peat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecae2f/32.png) [@Peaton\_of\_peat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peaton_of_peat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/808 "2013-11-19T19:44:22Z")
Dude, **FX** , more than 1/8 of your posts are in this thread. I think you should consider taking a break. Maybe cut your losses and try not to get labeled as “that guy who spends all his time sarcastically arguing with himself in his own thread.” ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/809 "2013-11-19T19:44:45Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Do you think you could provide precise definition of “climate change”? > > For example, did the Little Ice Age count as “climate change”? The posse now has more than one member! ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/810 "2013-11-19T20:34:09Z")
> [@Peaton\_of\_peat](#): > > Maybe cut your losses and try not to get labeled as “that guy who spends all his time sarcastically arguing with himself in his own thread.” Oh, it’s _way_ too late for that. What are we on, page 17? One of his [nuclear power threads](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=602177&highlight=Fukushima) went for thirty pages and his post count in that thing was greater than all other users combined. There were parts where he was posting comment after consecutive comment for more than a week before some poor soul wandered in. ---
**Author:** ![Peaton\_of\_peat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecae2f/32.png) [@Peaton\_of\_peat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peaton_of_peat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/811 "2013-11-19T20:42:43Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Oh, it’s _way_ too late for that. What are we on, page 17? One of his [nuclear power threads](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=602177&highlight=Fukushima) went for thirty pages and his post count in that thing was greater than all other users combined. There were parts where he was posting comment after consecutive comment for more than a week before some poor soul wandered in. Oh man, that was _him_? I remember that thread but I must have tuned it out so hard I forgot who posted it. I guess he can count on people forgetting who he is because he concentrates all his inanity in easily-avoided piles, rather than reminding people here and there in various threads. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/812 "2013-11-19T20:51:08Z")
> [@Peaton\_of\_peat](#): > > I guess he can count on people forgetting who he is because he concentrates all his inanity in easily-avoided piles, rather than reminding people here and there in various threads. I find it extraordinarily considerate, actually. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/813 "2013-11-19T20:52:12Z")
Hey **FX** , how do you feel about soccer? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/814 "2013-11-19T20:55:54Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > You know, it might be just the sheer tonnage of monkey screeching and masturbatory rhetoric you and brazil84 are flinging in this thread Lol, apparently reasonable arguments and questions = “monkey screeching and masturbatory rhetoric” ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/815 "2013-11-19T21:12:05Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, apparently reasonable arguments and questions = “monkey screeching and masturbatory rhetoric” Mmmm, oh yeah, work the shaft. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/816 "2013-11-19T21:40:27Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Mmmm, oh yeah, work the shaft. And screeching – don’t forget the screeching. e.g. > [@brazil84](#): > > What EXACTLY is the theory that according to you, 95% of the scientific community supports? > > And what does that theory say about water vapor feedback? > [@brazil84](#): > > What exactly is the theory (or hypothesis) of “Global Warming / Climate Change”? You know, it might even be something I agree with. > [@brazil84](#): > > 1. What exactly is meant by the hypothesis (or theory) you refer to as “AGW”? > [@brazil84](#): > > what EXACTLY is the “commonly accepted climate model”? > [@brazil84](#): > > What EXACTLY is the position that the “vast majority of scientists” take about “climate change”? > [@brazil84](#): > > there are even more fundamental questions which need to be answered – most importantly, what exactly is the Theory of Global Warming (or whatever you want to call it). > > Is it the claim that global surface temperatures have increased over the last 100 years, regardless of the cause? > > Is it the claim that man’s activities have caused global surface temperatures to increase over the last 50 years, regardless of the mechanism? > > Is it the claim that man’s CO2 emissions, significantly amplified by water vapor feedback, are likely to cause significant harm if unchecked? > > Once the exact theory (or hypothesis or claim) is spelled out, one can then discuss what evidence supports the theory; what predictions it makes; and what evidence would undermine the theory. Screech screech screech! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/817 "2013-11-19T21:42:34Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > The problem here is that you mean this thread to be funny, but your comedy is worse than mine Sarcasm is not the same as comedy. In fact, it’s more of a biting mockery than jest. > [@Doughbag](#): > > > [@marshmallow](#): > > > > So GW is wrong because you can find instances of people dying in the cold. Does this mean GW was right in [2003](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave) and [2006](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_European_heat_wave) when many more people died in sudden heatwaves? By now you can see that both record heat, and record cold, they both are proof of global warming. Which is exactly the point of the first post, and the entire thread. Of course there were massive tangents, with GIGOgalloper being challenged to define his terms (he never did). With pointing out that the pseudo-science blog SkS doesn’t even have definitions for it’s major terms used. Much less any explanation of what AGW means, how we know it is happening, and the physics of GhGs causing warming. But with cold now being firmly blamed o warming, cold events, especially the unusual and extreme cold and snow that has become more frequent, and deadly, cold events are now also global warming. And I hate the cold. So fuck you global warming. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/818 "2013-11-19T21:45:48Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > And screeching – don’t forget the screeching Your tactic is far more hilarious than anything I came up with. I can see why the shitbrains of the internet hate your very presence. They will do anything, except have an intelligent discussion of scientific matters. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/819 "2013-11-19T23:11:09Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well the funny thing is that they don’t seem to consciously realize it’s a serious problem that they subscribe to a theory which they cannot define with any degree of precision. And yet it is quite easy, for any intelligent person, to describe both the theory, the physics, as well as the predictions. Why is that do you think? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/820 "2013-11-20T01:52:54Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > did the Little Ice Age count as “climate change”? Just saw this and thought you would enjoy it. It’s all sciency and shit. > [@](#): > > Some wisdom on these questions may be found in an important new work of history, “Global Crisis.” It’s Geoffrey Parker’s examination of the last great climate shock experienced by human beings: the Little Ice Age. > > After a half millennium of very benign temperatures, the Northern Hemisphere began gradually to cool after about 1550. Slow cooling plunged into deep freeze in about 1620. Over the next half-century, the peoples of the Northern Hemisphere suffered climate catastrophe after climate catastrophe: > **[Global cooling: When the climate changed astonishingly fast | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/19/opinion/frum-global-cooling-impact/)** > > David Frum says people shouldn’t assume that the world has decades to prepare for disruptive climate change [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=42)