# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/941 "2013-12-05T16:41:10Z")
I’ve had an epiphany. Critiquing FX is like the neighborhood bully curb stomping the special needs kid… His limitations aren’t his fault and we should really try and be more tolerant and supportive while he struggles with his limitations… You’re doing great FX, I’m very proud of you and your efforts ! Say, is that a mosquito I hear? ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/942 "2013-12-05T17:11:14Z")
> [@sylmar](#): > > I’ve had an epiphany. > > Critiquing FX is like the neighborhood bully curb stomping the special needs kid… His limitations aren’t his fault and we should really try and be more tolerant and supportive while he struggles with his limitations… > > You’re doing great FX, I’m very proud of you and your efforts ! > > Say, is that a mosquito I hear? But is there anything in his post, data or logic that is incorrect? I see lots of posters jump on FX but not many with any kind of logical or data based argument countering anything he is posting. Bottom line: FX’s position appears to be “climate scientists have predicted things related to global warming that have turned out to be incorrect and the conclusion is that they really aren’t sure what exactly is happening yet” Why is that controversial? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/943 "2013-12-05T17:18:34Z")
> [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > climate science keeps evolving but one thing has been constant: the planet’s overall warming leads to greater extremes. If the warmist side had made specific, interesting predictions along these lines in the past; and those predictions were coming true now; then they would be worth serious attention. But that’s not what seems to be happening. Instead, warmer temperatures in traditionally cold parts of the world or at traditionally cold times of year are cited as evidence for their side. At the same time, colder temperatures are also cited as evidence for their side. There’s a word for hypotheses which are claimed to be supported by evidence going in either direction. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/944 "2013-12-05T17:19:56Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > But is there anything in his post, data or logic that is incorrect? Lol, good luck getting the warmists to focus on actual specifics. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/945 "2013-12-05T17:54:09Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, good luck getting the warmists to focus on actual specifics. While it can’t be known, I suspect that **if the specifics were showing global warming** , especially an increasing rate of warming, you would see them repeated all the time. And used as hammers because everything needs to be nailed. If we were still seeing warmer winters, with less snow, especially a few extremely warm winters, it would be a never ending stream of focusing on that. The uninformed warmer still thinks an extremely cold and snowy winter counters global warming, so they shy away from discussing it. or dismiss it outright, or try to twist mentioning the cold into “denial”, because they are still brain washed by the classic warmer image of winters becoming less extreme, especially fewer of the long lasting and extreme cold kind of winters. Because there is no question that was the prediction, it was shouted from the rooftops, along with the terrible loss of snow packs and glacier ice that so many depend upon for water each year. **Catastrophic loss of snowfall and melting glaciers was a key scare tactic of the 2007 IPCC report** , as much as the staunch believer would like to forget. So of course specifics are to be avoided, unless they are record heat or a drought period. What is so ironic is that there were indeed a few dissenting voices back in the eighties that wrote about the possibility of warming from CO2 might lead to a different outcome, but you probably never heard of this before. It’s all quite interesting, having lived long enough to observe changes, things that were distant predictions 50 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/946 "2013-12-05T17:57:29Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > But is there anything in his post, data or logic that is incorrect? I assure you if there were, we would hear much about it. It’s why we see the caterwauling and vile insults, rather than an attempt to impose logic, reason, evidence and scientific thought upon the ideas and the data. I may joke around, even now and then go SCIENCE BITCHES, but on a board dedicated to fighting ignorance, I avoid anything that can’t be backed up by at least some source of real knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/947 "2013-12-05T23:24:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Say, is that a mosquito I hear? no, it’s louder. and more like a quacking sound. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/948 "2013-12-05T23:47:17Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > I see lots of posters jump on FX but not many with any kind of logical or data based argument countering anything he is posting. People gave up trying to use those things when it became obvious FX was uninterested in them. Check previous, related threads. If FX was actually interested in facts or data, posters would respond better. > [@RaftPeople](#): > > Bottom line: FX’s position appears to be “climate scientists have predicted things related to global warming that have turned out to be incorrect and the conclusion is that they really aren’t sure what exactly is happening yet” > > Why is that controversial? Because it isn’t actually true. It IS true that not all predictions have been totally, completely accurate. But that’s a totally misleading bar to set. For example, say Joe estimates the KC Royals will win at least 140 games a year for the next 10 seasons and Bob estimates they’ll win fewer than 60 games over the same span. If they end up winning 61, Bob is closer than Joe and has a better handle on the truth. But FX would have us believe that’s meaningless. Of course, there’s also the completely inane “OMG, a record cold was set today in East Bumfuck Iowa, therefore global warming must be false” bit that FX repeatedly uses. That, by itself, should set eyes rolling so far they’re in danger of falling out of skulls. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/949 "2013-12-06T00:19:34Z")
> [@Blake](#): > > You lying fucking weasel. > > Your claim was, and I quote: **“The vast, vast majority of scientists all agree that there is a danger.”** > > That was a typical alarmist claim. Shrill, almost hysterical, intended to raise tensions, and without a shred of evidence to back it up. > And now you try to weasel out of it by claiming that the danger is separate. > > No dude, the danger is isn’t separate. your claim was a simple, single sentence, that the vast, vast majority of scientists all agree that there is a danger. > > The danger isn’t separate. The danger is what you claimed that the vast, vast majority of scientists all agree that there is a danger. > > And that claim is bullshit without a shred of evidential support. > > Typical alarmist bullshit. Make wild claims about imminent danger, and as soon as you get called on it, claim that you never said it. > > Lying, weaseling alarmist bullshit. The good thing about a message board is that everyone can see exactly what you posted. And what you posted was not that the danger was a separate thing. > > What you posted was that the danger was the only thing. > > And that claim has been proven to be unsupportable alarmist bullshit. > > Once again, thank you for highlighting the ignorant, dishonest tactics ofAGW alarmists. [From the same site \*\*Lobohan \*\* quoted:](http://climate.nasa.gov/effects) > [@Climate.Nasa.gov](#): > > Global Climate Change: Future Trends8 > > \*\*Phenomena \*\* > Contraction of snow cover areas, increased thaw in permafrost regions, decrease in sea ice extent > **Likelihood of trend** > Virtually certain > \*\*Phenomena \*\* > Increased frequency of hot extremes, heat waves and heavy precipitation > **Likelihood of trend** Very likely to occur > \*\*Phenomena \*\* Increase in tropical cyclone intensity > **Likelihood of trend** Likely to occur > \*\*Phenomena \*\*Precipitation increases in high latitudes > \*\*Likelihood of trend \*\* Very likely to occur > \*\*Phenomena \*\*Precipitation decreases in subtropical land regions > \*\*Likelihood of trend \*\*Very likely to occur > \*\*Phenomena \*\*Decreased water resources in many semi-arid areas, including western U.S. and Mediterranean basin > \*\*Likelihood of trend \*\*High confidence > _Definitions of likelihood ranges used to express the assessed probability of occurrence: virtually certain \>99%, very likely \>90%, likely \>66%._ sounds kinda dangerous to me (YMMV) ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/950 "2013-12-06T00:51:15Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > But is there anything in his post, data or logic that is incorrect? > > I see lots of posters jump on FX but not many with any kind of logical or data based argument countering anything he is posting. > Bottom line: FX’s position appears to be “climate scientists have predicted things related to global warming that have turned out to be incorrect and the conclusion is that they really aren’t sure what exactly is happening yet” > > Why is that controversial? Brah…if you were an actual masochist and had bothered reading this thread in its entirety, you would not be asking that question. Just upthread of here, I spitooned one of his loony proclamations trashing a Scientific American article. Does he post factual cites? Yes. Do the conclusions he draws from said material make logical sense to anyone not on a Charlie Horse high? No. And his inability and/or refusal to understand anyone else’s cites that conclusively refute his conclusions underlines either supreme stupidity or committed trolldom. But you’re doing great FX! Keep trying! ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/951 "2013-12-06T01:03:04Z")
> [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > no, it’s louder. > and more like a quacking sound. 😛 Oh that? That’s just Brazzer trying to hack up the semen he’s been using to lubricate his jaw… ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/952 "2013-12-06T01:44:08Z")
> [@](#): > > it’s why we see the caterwauling and vile insults, rather than an attempt to impose logic, reason, evidence and scientific thought upon the ideas and the data. but you can do better, I really think you can. 1. make sure your fiber intact in sufficient 2. ditto fluid, plain water is best 3. are you getting enough exercise? 4. once regularity has returned, repost in General Questions good luck! ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/953 "2013-12-06T01:52:09Z")
> [@sylmar](#): > > Brah…if you were an actual masochist and had bothered reading this thread in its entirety, you would not be asking that question. > > Just upthread of here, I spitooned one of his loony proclamations trashing a Scientific American article. I read part of the Yahoo article and it presumed that any changes were due to global warming. That’s not really fact based, so the article didn’t seem too valuable. Maybe I quit to early but it wasn’t a good start. I started to read the SciAm article and got to this point and stopped: “According to Maria Diuk-Wasser at the Yale School of Public Health, the onset of human-induced global warming is likely to increase the…” “likely” isn’t facts, it’s speculation, which doesn’t really help us figure out if we understand what is happening with the climate or not. > [@](#): > > Does he post factual cites? Yes. > > Do the conclusions he draws from said material make logical sense to anyone not on a Charlie Horse high? No. > > And his inability and/or refusal to understand anyone else’s cites that conclusively refute his conclusions underlines either supreme stupidity or committed trolldom. I’ve been reading his posts and I disagree with your conclusion. Can you point to an example where his conclusion is illogical or where he refuses to accept a cite that is conclusive? I’m open to being swayed, I don’t really care one way or another, logic and facts are my game. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/954 "2013-12-06T01:58:40Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > Bottom line: FX’s position appears to be “climate scientists have predicted things related to global warming that have turned out to be incorrect and the conclusion is that they really aren’t sure what exactly is happening yet” That’s a bit simplistic, and there are many different things, I don’t think it can even be made simple. Like the claims that global warming is leading to more disease, where they then claim the African virus problem in the US is due to global warming. It’s horseshit, and just reading the article makes that clear. The disease in the US is because PEOPLE WITH THE DISEASE got on aircraft and flew to the US. The vast majority of cases are exactly that. They say a few were “new” cases, from mosquito bites in the US. Which means some of the infected people actually were out and about and mosquitoes bit them and transmitted the disease to a new host, somebody that didn’t contract it in Africa. In reality global warming had NOTHING TO DO WITH the spread of this virus to the US and [Canada](http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/wnv-vwn/map-carte/index-eng.php). There already are mosquitoes in all of the US and Canada. Claiming global warming is the CAUSE of the West Nile spreading is such complete horseshit, it’s staggering that an intelligent person can’t see this just by reading the goddamn story. They are blaming climate change, when it is actually air travel of infected people that caused the problem. Same for the other disease problems that flew in, inside people, from infected areas. Of course blaming global warming is a nice easy way to just avoid even discussing the real problem, and a good way to frighten stupid people as well. This horseshit about global warming allowing these mosquito born diseases to spread is just that, dishonest horseshit of the worst kind. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/955 "2013-12-06T02:02:21Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > People gave up trying to use those things when it became obvious FX was uninterested in them. Check previous, related threads. I participated in one of them and it was overwhelmed with **GIGO** spewing a bunch of cut and paste stuff and name calling. But, FX’s point in this thread, that colder winters were not previously predicted but rather the opposite was predicted, is a reasonable data point to conclude that the climate scientists models are not reliable at this point. Do you feel that the models are making accurate predictions and are reliable? > [@](#): > > It IS true that not all predictions have been totally, completely accurate. But that’s a totally misleading bar to set. > > For example, say Joe estimates the KC Royals will win at least 140 games a year for the next 10 seasons and Bob estimates they’ll win fewer than 60 games over the same span. If they end up winning 61, Bob is closer than Joe and has a better handle on the truth. But FX would have us believe that’s meaningless. Understood and agreed that a prediction that is off by a small fraction is most likely better than one that is off by a large amount. (I say “most likely” because modeling is a tricky business to begin with, you can have a model that is perfect for a set of data but it doesn’t really model what is being modeled, it is instead “overtrained” for that set of data and could be very wrong for other sets). But colder winters instead of warmer winters is a very substantial difference, wouldn’t you agree with that? > [@](#): > > Of course, there’s also the completely inane “OMG, a record cold was set today in East Bumfuck Iowa, therefore global warming must be false” bit that FX repeatedly uses. That, by itself, should set eyes rolling so far they’re in danger of falling out of skulls. Do you realize that was in response to the poster stating that because Atlanta had a record hot day (or two or three or whatever) that it supported global warming? If there are record cold days, doesn’t that imply global cooling if we are using such simplistic metrics? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/956 "2013-12-06T04:05:27Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > If there are record cold days, doesn’t that imply global cooling if we are using such simplistic metrics? Of course it doesn’t. You can not take one city’s weather experience for one year and extrapolate that to make planet wide predictions. When dealing with statistics on a thing with so _many_ data points, you can’t single out a single one and have it prove anything. **FX** wants to look at Atlanta? Let’s look at Atlanta in 2012. Did you know it set [record highs](http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jul/02/us-heatwave-temperature-records) that summer? > [@The Guardian](#): > > Atlanta set an all-time high temperature record on Saturday of 106°F Anybody who tries to extrapolate from “simple metrics” is a dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/957 "2013-12-06T08:11:13Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Of course it doesn’t. You can not take one city’s weather experience for one year and extrapolate that to make planet wide predictions. When dealing with statistics on a thing with so _many_ data points, you can’t single out a single one and have it prove anything. Yes, thank you. That was exactly the point of the words you just quoted. You did actually read my post that you quoted, right? > [@armedmonkey](#): > > FX wants to look at Atlanta? Let’s look at Atlanta in 2012. Did you know it set record highs that summer? Read my post again: “…that was in response to the poster stating that because Atlanta had a record hot day (or two or three or whatever)…” I assume you don’t realize that you just responded with the Atlanta data that I had just pointed out was what prompted FX’s non-serious response. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/958 "2013-12-06T08:26:54Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > You did actually read my post that you quoted, right? I did, but I probably didn’t read enough of the context that you were responding to. My apologies for that. In my defense, there is so much stupidity in this thread that my eyes have started to glaze over. Last time I chimed in, **Blake** claimed fuel efficiency kills people. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/959 "2013-12-06T09:57:49Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > Do you realize that was in response to the poster stating that because Atlanta had a record hot day (or two or three or whatever) that it supported global warming? If there are record cold days, doesn’t that imply global cooling if we are using such simplistic metrics? [This post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16853358&postcount=762) is the idiocy (not that FX has any shortage of idiocy) in question, so I’d appreciate a link to the post it was responding to. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/960 "2013-12-06T10:09:16Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > Do you feel that the models are making accurate predictions and are reliable? Lol, good luck getting a straight answer is this simple, reasonable question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=49)