# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1121 "2013-12-18T16:44:18Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > ok this is getting weird /thread ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1122 "2013-12-18T17:06:03Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Briefly, astronomical effects (like tilt and obliquity, NOT “closeness to the sun”) And I thought there could be no more dumber. Thinking “closer to sun would have no effect”, that is beyond dumb. Are you a troll? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1123 "2013-12-18T17:07:41Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > You do know we’re closer to the sun than we’ll be in 6 months, right? I don’t think he does. I bet a lot of people don’t know that. Winters in the NH are milder because the earth is closer to the sun. Summers are milder because then the earth is farther from the sun. It’s a real big effect. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1124 "2013-12-18T17:07:54Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Are you a troll? aaaaaand _now_. /thread ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1125 "2013-12-18T17:08:45Z")
Nobody can be that stupid. It’s just not possible. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1126 "2013-12-18T17:24:07Z")
> **[Why Earth is Closest to Sun in Dead of Winter](https://www.space.com/3304-earth-closest-sun-dead-winter.html)** > > If Earth is closest to the Sun in January, shouldn’t it be summer? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1127 "2013-12-18T17:24:20Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Nobody can be that stupid. It’s just not possible. You truly are the gift that keeps on giving. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1128 "2013-12-19T20:50:37Z")
[Looks like it might be even worse than we thought.](http://www.thenation.com/article/177614/coming-instant-planetary-emergency) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1129 "2013-12-19T22:02:01Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m aware of the argument that CO2 isn’t causing climate change. Can’t, won’t, never did cause any climate change. > > I’m still undecided on that, so I rarely argue over it. Chemistry and physics seem to point to it having to have an effect. Other lines of evidence point the other way. > > It’s fucking complicated. Is this that science and shit you bring? Just curious. I want to be sure not to miss it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1130 "2013-12-19T22:32:08Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m aware of the argument that CO2 isn’t causing climate change. Can’t, won’t, never did cause any climate change. > > I’m still undecided on that, so I rarely argue over it. Chemistry and physics seem to point to it having to have an effect. Other lines of evidence point the other way. > > It’s fucking complicated. Are these “other lines of evidence” based on sciences other than, **and independent of,** chemistry and physics? Otherwise, what you’re saying would seem to make no sense. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1131 "2013-12-20T01:25:02Z")
Interesting article, nicely summing up the variety of catastrophic scenarios. He left out the West Antarctic ice sheet collapse, but overall I think this an excellent piece of journalistic prose. I absolutely want to subscribe to the New York Times, invest my money with Merrill Lynch and I already have an appointment with my doctor to see if Lynolinoium is right for me. Last thing a man my age needs is painful menstruation. I’m already on record as saying I cannot dis-prove any of these claims. However, I will ask if any of these CAN be dis-proved. Take the claim that a 6ºC rise in average global temperatures will kill all mankind. How do you dis-prove that? We can’t, so it’s not a scientific claim, it’s a philosophical claim. I get a Big Red Flag at the beginning. They have a mess of quotes from … the National **Aeronautics** and **Space** Administration … about the oceans and the atmosphere … but not a single quote from … National **Oceanic** and **Atmospheric** Administration. I don’t doubt NASA wants you to believe this article, because it will take a lot a satellites to fix this, please fund them. NOAA says what I say, we’ve never observed this. We just can’t say with scientific certainty that it is happening now. We can say with absolute scientific certainty that the sun did not shine on the arctic today, nor will it tomorrow, so just what the fuck is this guy laying out here. I have to stop there … 250 million year old rocks are being examined to find evidence of a hypothesized methane event. Just too many statements of fact that are at best theory to render to whole only suitable for selling newspapers. “It’s fucking complicated.” ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1132 "2013-12-20T10:54:46Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > However, I will ask if any of these CAN be dis-proved. Take the claim that a 6ºC rise in average global temperatures will kill all mankind. How do you dis-prove that? We can’t, so it’s not a scientific claim, it’s a philosophical claim. We Have Always Been at War With Oceania. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1133 "2013-12-20T12:09:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Are these “other lines of evidence” based on sciences other than, **and independent of,** chemistry and physics? Otherwise, what you’re saying would seem to make no sense. Not that I think any sort of scientific musings will matter to a true believer, but I enjoy science for it’s own sake. It’s fun to think, rather than just blindly believe. According to the alarmists, we are facing a planetary catastrophe. CO2 levels are higher than they have been in millions, if not billions of years. The arctic is in a death spiral, and rising global temperatures have all but destroyed life on earth, or at least as we know it. Super storms have destroyed beyond anything ever seen, along with a drastic increase in tornadoes, both of which are getting worse. The new normal. Drought is destroying crops, floods have wiped out most of our infrastructure. Mild winters with little snow have changed the winter landscape so much there are children who have never even experienced snow. The ocean is turning to acid and coral reefs are almost completely destroyed. What’s left will soon be extinct. The glaciers of the great mountain chains are almost gone, and will be soon. Billions are facing death from the lack of water. Melting permafrost is releasing methane like nobody has ever seen, leading to even more warming. Insects and disease have spread towards the poles, and rare African diseases now rage rampant through the increasingly warmer northern climes. Australia is pretty much a desert, and will soon be unfit for man and beast. Great chunks of Antarctica and Greenland are falling into the seas, and as they rise they have swamped what little is left of port cities. The low islands of the Indian and Pacific oceans are now submerged, and millions of people in Bangladesh have died. Polar bears and seals are almost extinct, and the great fisheries of the northern seas are barren, too warm to support life. The great glaciers of the world are gone, never to return. And the lack of snow and ice is leading to the extinction of even more creatures of the north. Soon people won’t even be able to live it will be so hot. The equatorial regions are simply uninhabitable, and the vast rain forests are burning up, vanishing. Gia, the great mother earth herself is rising up to destroy her children, before they kill their own mother. Deserts are growing, swallowing entire cities, and between disease and drought and rising seas, the population of the planet is doomed. Even if everyone stops burning any fuel at all, right now, it’s all over. The CO2 already released is enough to send the world over a tipping point, it’s all over. Questioning this story is considered a sign of denial. By the alarmists. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1134 "2013-12-20T12:14:01Z")
The astute observer might say that narrative is a bit over the top, perhaps a bit too much alarm is being raised. That maybe some of that isn’t true. Which would mean in essence we agree, the only difference is to the degree we suspect some major bullshit is being published. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1135 "2013-12-20T13:13:57Z")
My cat asks “Just people, right?” ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1136 "2013-12-20T13:26:11Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > My cat asks “Just people, right?” Are you Ralphie Wiggum? That would explain a lot. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1137 "2013-12-20T15:01:38Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Are you Ralphie Wiggum? That would explain a lot. I was going to mention about getting science news from the lay media … and someone pops up getting their science news from cartoons. I don’t watch such, does Ralphie Wiggum want to kill all people, or just white people? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1138 "2013-12-20T15:07:08Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Not that I think any sort of scientific musings will matter to a true believer, but I enjoy science for it’s own sake. It’s fun to think, rather than just blindly believe. . . . There is nothing in that post about those “lines of evidence” indicating CO2 does not play a role in climate change. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1139 "2013-12-20T15:28:58Z")
Chemistry and Physics allows the hypothesis that it is an increase in solar energy that warms the atmosphere, which in turn allows it to hold more CO2. If this is true, then indeed CO2 does not play a role in climate change. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1140 "2013-12-20T16:39:08Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > \*\*Not that I think any sort of scientific musings will matter to a true believer, but I enjoy science for it’s own sake. It’s fun to think, rather than just blindly believe. \*\* > > According to the alarmists, we are facing a planetary catastrophe. CO2 levels are higher than they have been in millions, if not billions of years. The arctic is in a death spiral, and rising global temperatures have all but destroyed life on earth, or at least as we know it. > > Super storms have destroyed beyond anything ever seen, along with a drastic increase in tornadoes, both of which are getting worse. The new normal. > > Drought is destroying crops, floods have wiped out most of our infrastructure. Mild winters with little snow have changed the winter landscape so much there are children who have never even experienced snow. > > The ocean is turning to acid and coral reefs are almost completely destroyed. What’s left will soon be extinct. The glaciers of the great mountain chains are almost gone, and will be soon. Billions are facing death from the lack of water. > > Melting permafrost is releasing methane like nobody has ever seen, leading to even more warming. Insects and disease have spread towards the poles, and rare African diseases now rage rampant through the increasingly warmer northern climes. Australia is pretty much a desert, and will soon be unfit for man and beast. > > Great chunks of Antarctica and Greenland are falling into the seas, and as they rise they have swamped what little is left of port cities. > > The low islands of the Indian and Pacific oceans are now submerged, and millions of people in Bangladesh have died. > > Polar bears and seals are almost extinct, and the great fisheries of the northern seas are barren, too warm to support life. > > The great glaciers of the world are gone, never to return. And the lack of snow and ice is leading to the extinction of even more creatures of the north. > > Soon people won’t even be able to live it will be so hot. The equatorial regions are simply uninhabitable, and the vast rain forests are burning up, vanishing. > > Gia, the great mother earth herself is rising up to destroy her children, before they kill their own mother. Deserts are growing, swallowing entire cities, and between disease and drought and rising seas, the population of the planet is doomed. > > Even if everyone stops burning any fuel at all, right now, it’s all over. The CO2 already released is enough to send the world over a tipping point, it’s all over. > > Questioning this story is considered a sign of denial. By the alarmists. Note: Bolding added by me. This must be the science you said you bring to discussions here. It’s funny, it is not quite what I expected. I kind’ve expected there to be more, you know, science. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=58)