# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/101 "2013-08-24T01:59:16Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Can you tell me, if I cook my hot dogs in a solar oven, am I helping gay rights? Am I hurting farmers? Do gay rights hurt farmers? Help me separate the wheat from the chaff here! If Obama has his way, you won’t even need the solar oven because all that hot gay farmer sex will cook the atmosphere, and the fat cats at Hebrew National will laugh and laugh as they fondle their Jewish meat sticks. Then one day, **FX** will put a hot dog in the microwave, realize he’s “nuking” it, and he’ll cry. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/102 "2013-08-24T02:12:37Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Why do you think he “jests?” From everything I see of his posts and warnings on the board, he believes this claptrap. > [@armedmonkey](#): > > Seriously, buddy? You are talking out of your ass. Bite me. Guess I just don’t recognize satire. It WAS satire, right? Including the use of _B. Hussein Obama_ and the Little Rascals video of _Buckwheat_? _Hebrew National–Jewish Meat Sticks_. Keep going. Still think he was jesting? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/103 "2013-08-24T02:15:36Z")
You can deny all you want, but among smart people there is no doubt global warming is causing millions to die. Maybe billions. And all kinds of other things as well. Read it and weep. > [@](#): > > ALLIGATORS bask off the English coast, the Sahara desert stretches into Europe and 10 per cent of humans are left. > > Science fiction? > > No, this is the doomsday prediction if global temperatures make a predicted rise of 4C in the next 100 years. Some fear it could happen by 2050. > > A report in 2007 by the conservative Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicted a rise of between 2C and 6.4C this century. > > Climate experts told New Scientist they were optimistic that humans would survive but would have to adapt. > > Vast numbers would have to migrate away from the equator and towards the poles. > > National borders would have to be knocked down and humans would become mostly vegetarian with most animals being eaten to extinction. > > Fish numbers would drop dramatically as acid levels rose in oceans. > > People would live in high-rise cities to preserve fertile lands for food, and scientists suggest energy could be supplied by a giant solar belt running across North Africa, the Middle East and the southern US. > > The number of humans could drop to a billion or fewer. > > “Humans are in a pretty difficult position and I don’t think they are clever enough to handle what’s ahead. I think they’ll survive as a species all right, but the cull during this century is going to be huge,” NASA scientist James Lovelock said. > > “The number remaining at the end of the century will probably be a billion or less.” [http://www.news.com.au/news/humans-facing-huge-cull-scientists/story-fna7dq6e-1111118985023#ixzz2cqguOkYG](http://www.news.com.au/news/humans-facing-huge-cull-scientists/story-fna7dq6e-1111118985023#ixzz2cqguOkYG) See? Stop burning fossil fuels now. You stinking planet killers. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/104 "2013-08-24T02:32:13Z")
\*\*FX \*\* (not a Master Mind) missed the memo again, even James Lovelock (who was the one interviewed for that silly piece) has dropped and repudiated his previous alarmism. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/105 "2013-08-24T02:32:54Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Guess I just don’t recognize satire. It WAS satire, right? Including the use of _B. Hussein Obama_ and the Little Rascals video of _Buckwheat_? > > _Hebrew National–Jewish Meat Sticks_. Keep going. > > Still think he was jesting? You found me out, **samclem** , but I just can’t keep quiet about the zionist conspiracy to use kosher franks to destroy the planet. What is with you, man? Is it because I’m on record saying Ben Affleck would make a good batman? That’s it, isn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/106 "2013-08-24T03:45:17Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > You found me out, **samclem** , but I just can’t keep quiet about the zionist conspiracy to use kosher franks to destroy the planet. :rolleyes: It’s not a Zionist conspiracy, it’s a **homosexual** conspiracy! What, did you really think “franks” mean sausages?! ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/107 "2013-08-24T04:13:07Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :rolleyes: It’s not a Zionist conspiracy, it’s a **homosexual** conspiracy! What, did you really think “franks” mean sausages?! Careful now, you say stuff like that and **samclem** might think you’re a homophobe. Besides “franks” is obviously named after noted character actor [Frank Nelson](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsKOaKG_V6M). Anyway, I completely understand that my posts in this thread haven’t been the funniest thing I’ve ever written, but I just can’t take **FX** seriously. His pit threads are worthless and absurd, so I tried to post comments that were equally worthless and absurd. If people don’t think it’s funny, fine, they can take me to task for being a bad comedian, but I take offense to **samclem’s** characterization of me. I voted for Obama twice, voted against Georgia’s constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and don’t have an anti-Semitic bone in my body. I have _never_ posted anything like what **samclem** is insinuating I have. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/108 "2013-08-24T04:31:38Z")
There is one thing I would like to post regarding climate change, though. Whenever a proposal to reduce CO2 emissions comes up, some members of the right will start arguing against it, but still argue that we need to reduce our reliance on foreign oil. It seems to me that the two would dovetail. The best way to reduce CO2 emissions is to increase efficiency and burn less fossil fuels. If the US burns less oil, that’s less oil we have to buy. It’s a win win, but nobody seems to address that aspect of it. I know that’s a touch overly simplistic, but I still think it’s a valid point. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/109 "2013-08-24T12:37:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :rolleyes: It’s not a Zionist conspiracy, it’s a **homosexual** conspiracy! What, did you really think “franks” mean sausages?! They should have called 'em ‘willies’. Or ‘rod johnsons’. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/110 "2013-08-25T15:47:57Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > It’s a win win, but nobody seems to address that aspect of it. > > I know that’s a touch overly simplistic, but I still think it’s a valid point. Of course it’s a valid point. It’s an excellent point. Note that nobody even acknowledged the point? (until now of course) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/111 "2013-08-25T16:29:37Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > The best way to reduce CO2 emissions is to increase efficiency and burn less fossil fuels. If the US burns less oil, that’s less oil we have to buy. It’s a win win, but nobody seems to address that aspect of it. There’s also nuclear, which is safer than coal considering how unhealthy coal particulates are. I am not sure if the dangers from CO2 from burning clean (i.e. greenhouse gases-only) fossil fuels are greater or worse than the dangers of nuclear. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/112 "2013-08-25T18:55:27Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Of course it’s a valid point. It’s an excellent point. Note that nobody even acknowledged the point? (until now of course) Kinda like the point on top of your head, eh? We don’t mention it because we don’t want to call attention to your deformity. We’re trying to be nice to the congenitally stupid. Sue us. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/113 "2013-08-25T19:28:13Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > The best way to reduce CO2 emissions is to increase efficiency and burn less fossil fuels. It would depend on how much that extra efficiency costs. If it were expensive enough, the increase in efficiency could easily result in more CO2 emissions – the market might decide that it’s cheaper to manufacture widgets inefficiently in China or Mexico and then ship them to the West, each step resulting in more CO2 emissions than if the same widget were produced in the West. The thing is, people already have an incentive to be somewhat efficient so it’s reasonable to expect that a marginal increase in efficiency will come with costs. > [@](#): > > If the US burns less oil, that’s less oil we have to buy. It’s a win win, but nobody seems to address that aspect of it. > > I know that’s a touch overly simplistic, but I still think it’s a valid point. I don’t think it’s even potentially valid unless you look carefully at benefits, costs, and consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/114 "2013-08-25T20:53:27Z")
Merde. Another Monsieur Pointu. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/115 "2013-08-25T21:53:42Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Kinda like the point on top of your head, eh? > > We don’t mention it because we don’t want to call attention to your deformity. We’re trying to be nice to the congenitally stupid. Sue us. Succinct and definitive … lol ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/116 "2013-08-26T04:07:23Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > The thing is, people already have an incentive to be somewhat efficient so it’s reasonable to expect that a marginal increase in efficiency will come with costs. People have a tendency to reduce costs. The idea is to supplement market-priced costs. A company that throws trash on its own property may need to factor in that degradation, e.g. clean-up cost. A company which throws trash into the atmosphere will not factor in that cost without coercive governmental action. > [@brazil84](#): > > It would depend on how much that extra efficiency costs. … the market might decide that it’s cheaper to manufacture widgets inefficiently in China or Mexico and then ship them to the West, each step resulting in more CO2 emissions than if the same widget were produced in the West. Oh my. We can tell that this guy is a right-wing hypocrite because his attitude is that the U.S.A. must be at least as offensive as the most offensive producer, or lose its competitive advantage. But the fact is that the evil communists in China whose country still produces less than one-third the CO2 per capita as U.S.A. are working harder on emissions control than the God-loving capitalists of U.S.: > [@](#): > > The Chinese government plans to spend roughly 100 billion yuan ($14.7 billion) through 2020 to help domestic companies develop alternative-fuel vehicles, The Nikkei Japanese subscription news service reported today. > > The report amounts to yet more evidence of China’s drive to be the global leader in electric-drive vehicle use and development/production. China leads the world in hydroelectric power, solar panel development and production, and wind turbines. I’m sure China can and should do much more. Doubtless part of the problem are whiners saying “The U.S., led by stupid dingbats like brazil84, won’t do shit – why should we bother?” ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/117 "2013-08-26T08:19:40Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > People have a tendency to reduce costs. The idea is to supplement market-priced costs. No, the idea was to “increase efficiency” which is not necessarily the same thing as supplementing market-priced costs. > [@](#): > > A company that throws trash on its own property may need to factor in that degradation, e.g. clean-up cost. A company which throws trash into the atmosphere will not factor in that cost without coercive governmental action. Agreed, but that’s not necessarily the same thing as “increasing efficiency.” > [@](#): > > Oh my. We can tell that this guy is a right-wing hypocrite because his attitude is that the U.S.A. must be at least as offensive as the most offensive producer, or lose its competitive advantage. Lol, nice ad homenim. From your attempt to change the subject, I take it you don’t dispute my basic point? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/118 "2013-08-26T08:29:07Z")
As usual the full costs of using the atmosphere as a sewer are never added by guys like brasil. Once again, just looking at ways to justify doing next to nothing. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/119 "2013-08-26T14:24:06Z")
sadly, it’s the way of the world. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/120 "2013-08-26T16:31:07Z")
GIGO, don’t you ever get tired of entertaining these clowns? And I don’t mean this with even a little bit of derision. You always make such thoughtful, well-reasoned contributions to these threads, only to be met with “Derp, derp, it was cold yesterday. Democrats!!!” When I grow up, I want to be as smart and patient as you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=7)