# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Mapache](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/58956e/32.png) [@Mapache](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mapache)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1201 "2013-12-30T16:27:49Z")
Sorry for the double post. Told you I don’t get along with these newfangled gadgets. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1202 "2013-12-30T16:55:48Z")
> [@Mapache](#): > > Now since FX tells us that low temperatures in Atlanta mean AGW is. Hoax, what toes record-breaking heat in the Southern Hemisphere tell us? Well, since you are an old geezer, I will use small words and pictures to try and help you out. All data from [Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (v4): Global Maps](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/) What is important when looking at climate, and climate change, is long term values. And changes in things like rainfall, wind, temperature, cloudy days, snow and ice, what we call **weather** ,things like that. Glaciers, sea level, stream flow and plants also are indicators of climate. Sadly, only temperature data is used as a metric for many of the claims made about AGW. But even so, we can actually look at temperatures and see what is happening. The 2013 Australian heat wave was in January, the hottest month there. Before we look at what is happening, it helps to look at what has happened. [Look at Australia](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=1930&year2=1970&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) for the cooling trend of 1930-1970 This is [a well known cooling period](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=1940&year2=1970&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg)for much of the planet, but you can see even then a lot of Australia was warming (for the summer maximum) Ignore that drastic cooling seen in the boreal winters up north for now. [The 1970-2000 warming also shows up for Australia](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=1970&year2=2000&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg), even if it’s nothing like the NH boreal winter warming. (and shitfire, look at that goddamn boreal warming) Now to the 2013 heat wave. [The 13 year trend shows warming](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=2000&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg), so no doubt about that, a continued trend for sure. (once again, do not even look at the NH cooling trend for large areas of the boreal winter) Does Australia’s warming match what is happening elsewhere? [It sure doesn’t seem to](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=08&year1=2000&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg). Note that SA and Africa don’t show the same winter warming as Australia. Let’s look at the bigger picture. [The Australian warm part of the year.](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1106&year1=2000&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) [Australian cool part of the year](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=0506&year1=2000&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=pol) Little doubt Australia is suffering from warming. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1203 "2013-12-30T17:00:14Z")
> [@Mapache](#): > > Now since FX tells us that low temperatures in Atlanta mean AGW is. Hoax, I’ve never used the word “hoax”, much less claimed there is some grand conspiracy or hoax involved with AGW. Even the most rabid and insane adherents of **the great warming doom that awaits us all** , I don’t consider them hoaxers at all. While there may be some financial gain and politics being played with the whole AGW/CO2 is killing us hysteria, that doesn’t mean the researchers and data collectors are involved in a hoax. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1204 "2013-12-30T17:24:25Z")
Now let’s cut to the chase. [Here is a good example](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1970&year2=2000&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=pol) of [boreal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boreal_climate) winter warming. (if you don’t know what [boreal winter](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boreal_winter) means, I don’t blame you. Most people on the planet don’t either) I assure you, [it’s a well known term](http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=%22boreal+winter%22&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C10&as_sdtp=)for researchers. [Note the large areas of warming](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1970&year2=2000&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg). Especially look at the graph below, that shows the entire planet by latitude. Note the area with the large increase, roughly 55 to 75 north, but the entire 30 to 80 latitudes show this increase. Now compare the same area [to the trend discussed in the paper on boreal cooling](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1992&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg). See the difference? Look at [the shorter trend, from 2002 -2013](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=2002&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) Notice how different the trend looks. How the boreal area shows cooling, not warming. The graph below is very telling. Now, that 1970-2000 trend is what we expect to see, from greenhouse gas forcing and the associated arctic feedbacks. The 1992-2013 trend is completely NOT what the models predict. None of them. If the recent trends looked like the 1970-2000 trend, I wouldn’t even be talking about this, as there would be clear and unavoidable evidence of AGW happening, as the theory predicted. I hope that wasn’t too complicated. Science. It’s not for everybody. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1205 "2013-12-30T17:33:42Z")
Now February is often the coldest month for the boreal winter, and since it also show Australia at the warmest, [here is the recent trend for 2002-2013 February](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=2002&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg). Ain’t that some shit? Remember, this is direct from GISS, you are actually looking at their data in every link. Even Australia shows cooling for some places, but obviously warming in others. WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MEAN? THAT is indeed, the question. [A look at January](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=2002&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) Australia, warming for the most part. But mother of god, look at the NH. What the fuck man? How does that even happen? One key thing is the SH is dominated by the oceans. While the NH has this whole climate thing going on that **is not dominated by the oceans**. Even so, you can see the Pacific is cooling, while the N Atlantic is about the same. Now of course you might be going, “wait a fucking minute asshat, what about the entire winter?” [Same story]([http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi)? year\_last=2013&month\_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean\_gen=1203&year1=2002&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) And then somebody will go, “It’s FUCKING GLOBAL CLIMATE YOU ASSHOLE!”. Everybody calm down. [The annual values.](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1212&year1=2002&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) What the hell? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1206 "2013-12-30T20:38:49Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > That is a terrible terrible “argument”. > > Like Wikipedia, the SS blog, as well as almost every fucktard trying to argue on internets, it completely avoids the SCIENTIFIC THEORY, as well as HOW WE CAN TELL IT IS INCREASED GREENHOUSE EFFECT causing the changes, the critical matters at hand. > > That this happens over and over, with out fail, it can’t be by chance. It’s just not possible. Wait, now. The scientific theory, mainly, is that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and an increase in its atmospheric concentration causes warming. If you deny or question **that** at this point – and by “at this point” I don’t mean this point in the thread, but in life – then you’re well into [PRATT](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/PRATT) territory, classic case. All the world’s climatologists do accept it, including the handful of climate-change skeptics. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1207 "2013-12-30T21:23:50Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Wait, now. > > The scientific theory, mainly, is that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and an increase in its atmospheric concentration causes warming. No, that is not the theory, it’s not even close to a theory. It’s more like stating a gas law than a theory. It’s not even a hypothesis. You know how you can tell I am right? Go find the scientific theory, the one used to create climate models. Then link to it. You will quickly realize why what you said isn’t a theory. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1208 "2013-12-30T21:32:26Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > No, that is not the theory, it’s not even close to a theory. It’s more like stating a gas law than a theory. It’s not even a hypothesis. > > You know how you can tell I am right? Go find the scientific theory, the one used to create climate models. Then link to it. > > You will quickly realize why what you said > > isn’t a theory. Do you mean [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change)? Or, [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_climate_model)? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1209 "2013-12-31T00:33:24Z")
I’m sure he doesn’t realize that neither link contains the theory. Hell, one of them doesn’t even contain the word ‘theory’. Not even once. You should realize by now, Wikipedia is not a good source when it comes to global warming. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1210 "2013-12-31T00:45:32Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m sure he doesn’t realize that neither link contains the theory. Hell, one of them doesn’t even contain the word ‘theory’. Not even once. > > You should realize by now, Wikipedia is not a good source when it comes to global warming. I have a theory that you’re taking the piss. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1211 "2013-12-31T01:52:23Z")
No, Wikipedia is actually a horrific mess when it comes to the following terms: global warming theory theory of global warming mainstream global warming theory AGW AGW theory theory of AGW You will find [Global warming conspiracy theory](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory), but no entry for global warming theory, or any variant. Isn’t that a bitch? You also won’t find Greenhouse theory of global warming or Greenhouse theory You can find the\*\* Greenhouse effect\*\*, but the word theory doesn’t appear in the article. It’s a fuckfest of wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1212 "2013-12-31T15:35:04Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I have a theory that you’re taking the piss. I have a theory that he was one of Dunning and Kruger’s test subjects. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1213 "2013-12-31T16:12:00Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m sure he doesn’t realize that neither link contains the theory. Hell, one of them doesn’t even contain the word ‘theory’. Not even once. What is this “theory” you’re looking for, then? What form would it take? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1214 "2013-12-31T17:39:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What is this “theory” you’re looking for, then? What form would it take? I’m not looking for it, I’m pointing out how it doesn’t exist on Wikipedia, on skepticalscience blog, or on the rationalwiki site, all hotbeds of discussion and fretting over it. Don’t you find that either insane, or fucking hilarious? I mean, the goddamn ARTICLE for Global warming theory doesn’t even contain the word theory. Not even once. Much less explain it, nothing. See for yourself. > **[Climate change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_theory)** > > Present-day climate change includes both global warming—the ongoing increase in global average temperature—and its wider effects on Earth’s climate system. Climate change in a broader sense also includes previous long-term changes to Earth's climate. The current rise in global temperatures is driven by human activities, especially fossil fuel burning since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel use, deforestation, and some agricultural and industrial practices release greenhouse gases. T Cl... You don’t find that odd in the extreme? How bout this - there isn’t even an article for Global warming theory, or Greenhouse theory of global warming. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse\_theory\_of\_global\_warming](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_theory_of_global_warming) What a mindfuck. In fact the only place you will find the term, is on a few strange pages, but it isn’t explained anywhere. > [@](#): > > “Almost two decades after the issue became one of global concern, the ‘big’ debate over climate change is over. There are now no credible scientific skeptics challenging **the underlying scientific theory** , or the broad projections, of climate change.”[14] > **[Climate change denial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial)** > > Climate change denial (also global warming denial) is a form of science denial characterized by rejecting, refusing to acknowledge, disputing, or fighting the scientific consensus on climate change. Those promoting denial commonly use rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of a scientific controversy where there is none. Climate change denial includes unreasonable doubts about the extent to which climate change is caused by humans, its effects on nature and human society, and the potential ... > [@](#): > > as part of the Equinox series, which criticised the theory of global warming and asserted that scientists critical of **global warming theory** were denied funding.[1] > **[The Greenhouse Conspiracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greenhouse_Conspiracy)** > > The Greenhouse Conspiracy is a documentary film broadcast by Channel 4 in the United Kingdom on 12 August 1990, as part of the Equinox series, which rejected the scientific consensus on climate change and claimed that scientists critical of global warming theory were denied funding. > It is one of the earliest instances of the suggestion of a conspiracy to promote false claims supporting global warming. Although the title of the program implied the existence of a conspiracy, when interviewed on... It’s one of those things that when you point it out, most people freeze up and go blank or something. It’s too mind boggling to grasp. GIGO had a stroke or something when he realized it. His beloved SS blog doesn’t even define the term, much less explain it. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1215 "2014-01-01T09:27:43Z")
**FX** continues, **masturbating mindlessly**. Seriously, it’s his user name. He insists on doing it. Fucking idiot troll is what he is. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1216 "2014-01-01T19:10:06Z")
The latest is that even the powerful Chinese icebreaker cannot break through the heavy icepack that has entrapped the Russian ship. The researchers on board will be evacuated by helicopter (using more climate-warming gasoline). According to the researchers, the heavy spring/summer ice is “”'further proof of climate change"!!:smack: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1217 "2014-01-02T17:54:32Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m not looking for it, I’m pointing out how it doesn’t exist on Wikipedia, on skepticalscience blog, or on the rationalwiki site, all hotbeds of discussion and fretting over it. > > Don’t you find that either insane, or fucking hilarious? I mean, the goddamn ARTICLE for Global warming theory doesn’t even contain the word theory. Not even once. Much less explain it, nothing. See for yourself. > [Climate change - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_theory) > > You don’t find that odd in the extreme? How bout this - there isn’t even an article for Global warming theory, or Greenhouse theory of global warming. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse\_theory\_of\_global\_warming](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_theory_of_global_warming) > > What a mindfuck. In fact the only place you will find the term, is on a few strange pages, but it isn’t explained anywhere. > [Climate change denial - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial) > [The Greenhouse Conspiracy - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greenhouse_Conspiracy) > > It’s one of those things that when you point it out, most people freeze up and go blank or something. It’s too mind boggling to grasp. > > GIGO had a stroke or something when he realized it. His beloved SS blog doesn’t even define the term, much less explain it. [**Fractal wrongness:** _“You are not just wrong. You are wrong at every conceivable level of resolution. Zooming in on any part of your worldview finds beliefs exactly as wrong as your entire worldview.”_](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness) > [@](#): > > Debating a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person’s opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of poor logic, and outright lies, that requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one - kind of like a nested Gish Gallop, where each point both surrounds and is surrounded by an equally wrong argument. It is worth noting that being fractally wrong can be handy for the losing side in a public debate, since you are likely to leave your opponent looking baffled and unable to deal with each level of wrongness. > > It is as impossible to convince a fractally wrong person of anything as it is to walk around the edge of the Mandelbrot set in finite time. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1218 "2014-01-02T19:37:47Z")
[rationalwiki.org](http://rationalwiki.org) does not define, much less have an article for “global warming theory”, “anthropogenic global warming theory”. “theory of anthropogenic global warming”, or “theory of global warming”. That doesn’t stop anyone from talking about it, making claims about it, or insisting it is a fact. > [@](#): > > "No national or international scientific body rejects **anthropogenic global warming theory**. > > Though some have taken non-committal stances …" > "Make sure we include our famous tumbleweed somewhere in the article, you know, on scientific bodies that reject **the theor** y > **[Global warming denialism/Archive5](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Global_warming_denialism/Archive5)** > > This is true of most of the climate cranks, though some of the more high-level deniers have a final trick up their sleeves. What they do is accept high levels of human contribution and then root around for some kind of magical negative "natural"... > [@](#): > > Oddly enough, even though 82% of US climate scientists refused to support the **global warming theory** then > **[The Truth about Global Warming](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:The_Truth_about_Global_Warming)** > > It is not a parody. Do not add it to Category:Parody because it does not fit there. Some people believe that everything that is in a skeptic point of view is a parody. They are wrong. > [@](#): > > “Did you know that IPCC was established and recruited for the purpose of promoting the anthropogenic/greenhouse gas **global warming theory** , rather than finding consensus on it?” > **[Yet another global warming debate](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Debate:Yet_another_global_warming_debate)** > > So as I was perusing through the CP Recent changes, I encountered this fine example of User #188. It is a stub (obviously) and all it contains is an quote on global warming mined from a statement by an obscure British global-warming skeptic. Yes... > [@](#): > > The global warming wager is an application of the principles of Pascal’s wager to the **anthropogenic theory of global warming**. > **[Climate change](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_global_warming_wager)** > > Climate change, also known as anthropogenic (or human-caused) global warming,\[note 2\] is the rising average temperature of Earth's atmosphere and oceans and its related effects. Global-warming denialism refers to claims — mostly funded by the... It’s really quite fascinating. The response of some here, who actually consider rationalwiki a good source for arguing, is priceless. They can’t possibly admit it’s true, what I pointed out. They actually can’t see it. It’s like a mental blind spot. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1219 "2014-01-05T11:31:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Even places accustomed to normally mild to warmer winters will see a plunge in temperatures early next week, **including Atlanta where the high is expected to get below -6C on Tuesday.** [http://www.news.com.au/world/us-braces-for-record-deep-freeze-as-polar-vortex-pushes-temperatures-down-to-50c/story-fndir2ev-1226795070883](http://www.news.com.au/world/us-braces-for-record-deep-freeze-as-polar-vortex-pushes-temperatures-down-to-50c/story-fndir2ev-1226795070883) Oh damn bitches, not Atalanta again. How come people can’t get it through their thick dumb skulls that just because it’s record cold, that doesn’t mean it’s not warming? Seriously. It’s like there is some sort of mental block where people think what actually happens matters more than what some experts tell you is happening. > [@](#): > > And though this cold spell will last just a few days as warmer air comes behind, **it likely will freeze over the Great Lakes and other bodies of water** , meaning frigid temperatures will likely last the rest of winter, Maue said. Oh please, it’s winter. The Great lakes freeze, it gets cold, quit yer damn whining. This is what has been predicted for decades now. Cold as fuck winters, increasing sea ice, record snow and human suffering on a scale unimagined by most. > [@](#): > > The temperature predictions are startling: 31C below zero in Fargo, North Dakota, minus 35C in International Falls, Minnesota, and 26C below in Indianapolis and Chicago. At those temperatures, exposed skin can get frostbitten in minutes and hypothermia can quickly set in because wind chills could hit between minus 45C and minus 56C. Hey, them scientists who got stuck in sea ice didn’t complain about how cold it was, so shut your little bitch mouths. It’s winter, it gets cold. > [@](#): > > “All the ingredients are there for a near-record or historic cold outbreak,” he said “If you’re under 40 (years old), you’ve not seen this stuff before.” Well it’s about time you crybabies found out what your damn fossil fuels have been doing to the world. If only you had listened and everyone was using windmills and solar power right now, then it wouldn’t be so damn cold. Speaking of trapped ships in sea ice : > [@](#): > > The nuttiness is readily apparent. The expedition issued a statement that, “Sea ice is disappearing due to climate change, but here ice is building up.” Bad luck, really. The climate scientists were in the one bit of Antarctica where there’s ice. > **[Rodney Hide: Heat gone out of climate claims - NZ Herald](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rodney-hide-heat-gone-out-of-climate-claims/WOVUZC5ZKBOQ2D6OQHOWFBA5II/?c_id=466&objectid=11181415)** > > Isn't global warming melting the ice and flooding the coast? Al Gore certainly says so. And yet here were climate scientists imperilled in sea ice. Goddamn right. They just had some bad luck, and just because Antarctica has record amounts of sea ice, and it’s colder than it used to be, that also means global warming. Why can’t people grasp this? They think what actually happens is more important than what science tells us. > [@](#): > > The expedition relied on computer models, not real world reports. “That can’t be sea ice, the computer says so!” And please, keep worrying: our being stuck proves global warming! See? You see? The models can’t be wrong, they are SCIENCE!! You doubters and paid shills with your stupid weather reports and scaring people over cold, you just don’t have what it takes to be a scientist. > [@](#): > > The nuttiness is that only last year the high priests of global warming admitted that their computer models were wrong: Antarctic sea ice is increasing, not decreasing. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s Fifth Assessment declared: “Most models simulate a decrease in Antarctic sea ice extent over the past few decades compared to the small but significant increase observed” Just more right wing denier nonsense talk. That climate researchers got trapped in record sea ice just proves how right the global warming is. Doubt this? It can be proved. > [@](#): > > The expedition’s story now is that global warming melted a big iceberg creating the ice that trapped them. That’s the climate alarmists’ nuttiness in a nutshell: **nothing proves them wrong; everything proves them right** You see? Global warming is real and nobody can prove it’s not. It’s sickening. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1220 "2014-01-05T15:40:05Z")
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