# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1301 "2014-01-11T11:38:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Science quickly gets non-trivial and surprising. If the evidence surprises you, then there’s something wrong with your hypothesis. > [@](#): > > The way that a warming Arctic can lead to severe cold storms in North America is also remarkable. The way that people can rationalize pretty much any evidence to fit their conveniently vague hypothesis is sadly unremarkable. > [@](#): > > What is really pathetic is how people with obviously substandard IQs think they know more than climate scientists just because they looked out their window and saw snow. What is even more pathetic is transparently self-deluded people who simply assert their self-serving conclusions without any evidence or argument and base it on their self-proclaimed “intuition about dynamical systems.” ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1302 "2014-01-11T14:03:05Z")
If reality actually matched the global warmist theory, so that the winters were mild, warm, more rain than snow and ice, frosts came late, ended early, and temperatures were going up, this would be a different conversation. If Alaska and Siberia were still trending up, especially the winters, the permafrost melting away, glaciers vanishing, and trees were growing where tundra used to hold sway… If Antarctica sea ice was trending down, and the deadly droughts of the past were happening again, millions ready to die from lack of rain, if hurricanes were increasing, or getting more frequent, or larger, or something different in a bad way … If the data showed global temperatures rising … this would be a far different conversation. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1303 "2014-01-11T14:05:19Z")
You can be damn sure I wouldn’t be talking about record cold temperatures or deadly winters in regards to global warming. But it’s really the data, and the theory, that sort of makes the case that something screwy is going on. It might actually be human caused climate change, but it isn’t global warming. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1304 "2014-01-11T16:51:15Z")
Slowdown in Global Warming is Apparently a Mirage (Op-Ed) [http://news.yahoo.com/slowdown-global-warming-apparently-mirage-op-ed-224132740.html](http://news.yahoo.com/slowdown-global-warming-apparently-mirage-op-ed-224132740.html) > **[What Is Global Warming?](https://www.livescience.com/37003-global-warming.html)** > > Facts about global warming: Causes and effects Scientists: Americans are becoming weather wimps > **[Scientists: Americans are becoming weather wimps](https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-americans-becoming-weather-wimps-215318927.html)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — We've become weather wimps. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1305 "2014-01-11T17:33:52Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > Slowdown in Global Warming is Apparently a Mirage (Op-Ed) [Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More](http://news.yahoo.com/slowdown-global-warming-apparently-mirage-op-ed-224132740.html) Full of false claims. > [@](#): > > While the planet’s surface temperatures over the past century have risen to **unprecedented levels** , records have shown a slowdown in the pace of warming over the past 15 years. It is unknown what past temperatures actually were, but there is no doubt current temperatures are not as high as they were in the last 500 years. Not even close. > [@](#): > > Most of the discrepancy is due to the data gap in the Arctic. Weather stations are sparse at the poles, but filling in the holes with data derived from satellite measurements reveals that the Arctic is warming at an exceptionally quick pace. Inserting previously omitted Arctic data into the HadCrut4 dataset yielded a considerable increase in the global surface temperature trend. See next article. > [@johnpost](#): > > [What is global warming? | Live Science](http://www.livescience.com/42435-slowdown-in-global-warming-a-mirage.html) False, the “study” has already been debunked. > [@](#): > > Most of the discrepancy is due to the data gap in the Arctic. Weather stations are sparse at the poles, but **filling in the holes with data derived from satellite measurements** reveals that the Arctic is warming at an exceptionally quick pace. Inserting previously omitted Arctic data into the HadCrut4 dataset yielded a considerable increase in the global surface temperature trend. There is no need to combine two different datasets, the satellite data for the arctic is a long running measurement, which they tried to graft into the HadCru4 to try and make it look like there is more warming that either dataset shows. It’s another trick. > [@johnpost](#): > > [http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-americans-becoming-weather-wimps-215318927.html](http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-americans-becoming-weather-wimps-215318927.html) Blatantly false. The winter trend for much of the US is colder, with more extreme cold events and snow. > [@](#): > > As the world warms, the United States is getting fewer bitter cold spells like the one that gripped much of the nation this week. So when a deep freeze strikes, scientists say, it seems more unprecedented than it really is. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1306 "2014-01-11T18:45:59Z")
The weather guy says it’s cold outside today. But it’s toasty warm in my living room at the moment. I’ve just proved that the weather guy is an idiot! It’s not cold out at all! Ha ha! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1307 "2014-01-12T00:55:07Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The weather guy says it’s cold outside today. > > But it’s toasty warm in my living room at the moment. I’ve just proved that the weather guy is an idiot! It’s not cold out at all! Ha ha! Hilarious: here _we_ are, noting that folks who make predictions should spell out what would prove their predictions false; and here _you_ are, showing that – in the absence of such criteria – people left to their own devices may come up with foolish tests. If the guy with the claim offers specifics, the analogy remains and the joke vanishes. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1308 "2014-01-12T01:01:40Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Hilarious: here _we_ are, noting that folks who make predictions should spell out what would prove their predictions false; We don’t even need that much. Just an understanding of why CO2 increase is supposed to cause warming, and how that type of warming differs from the warming (and cooling) cycles the earth experiences naturally would be huge. The signatures theorized to occur from CO2 increase are quite specific. That the alarmists, who never stop posting about the grave danger we are in, don’t actually know about this, is quite telling. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1309 "2014-01-12T04:08:44Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > That the alarmists, who never stop posting about the grave danger we are in, don’t actually know about this, is quite telling. Gee, FX, if the 1st Law of Thermodynamics fails … we’re cooked !!! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1310 "2014-01-12T12:20:27Z")
Oh the huge Manatee ---
**Author:** ![burunduk34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burunduk34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burunduk34)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1311 "2014-01-12T13:56:23Z")
According to Time magazine, we should be worried about global cooling, not about global warming. > **[Another Ice Age?](https://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html)** > > In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding > terribly to the toll of famine victims. During 1972 record rains in > parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst... Would it be possible to stop (or maybe even reverse) global cooling, by increasing CO2 emissions, via burning more coal, producing cars with less fuel efficiency, banning hybrids and electric cars, etc? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1312 "2014-01-12T14:11:49Z")
The Coming Ice Age era, which spanned from the fifties to almost 1980, was quite real, despite the fuckheads who want to tell you different. There was good reason for the scare as well. The global cooling was beyond anything anyone living could remember. [The January trend is obvious](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=1940&year2=1970&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg), as well as why it was alarming. Look at the goddamn numbers. [Another look at the trend](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=1940&year2=1978&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg), note how Europe was all like, what cooling? Sort of the same[for Europe in February](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1940&year2=1978&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg). Yeah, it was sort of a US thing. [The entire winter trend](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1940&year2=1978&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) shows the same thing. (ain’t science fucking cool?) [I can understand why Europe and the Soviets](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1940&year2=1963&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) didn’t care much about the ice age scare. An honest skeptic with a scientific bent [can look at a trend like this](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=1950&year2=1978&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg), and understand why people were fucking concerned. WTF? Seriously, that’s a drop in the US heartland of 15 degrees F That’s some serious fucking shit there. The US climate records match this of course. The 30s and 40s were the warmest it had been in the US since records started. The serious drop got everyones attention. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1313 "2014-01-12T14:28:26Z")
Now if you actually followed all them links and understand the complicated science and shit, then [the warming from 78-1998](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=1978&year2=1998&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) makes a lot of sense. It’s also why “they” don’t show you[the same data starting in 1940](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=1940&year2=1998&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg), because that doesn’t show extreme warming in the heartland at all. In fact, it shows cooling for parts of the US! How the fuck can that be possible? Not only has January not warmed in some states in 58 years, but actually cooled? [How about the entire winter](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1940&year2=1998&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg)? As Spock would say, “Fascinating”. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1314 "2014-01-12T14:32:47Z")
But certainly a lot of the NH shows warming, especially up until 1998. But damn [those February trends](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1998&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) since then. What about [the entire winter](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1998&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg)? Fuck. How does that happen when CO2 levels kept going up? Like, a lot. Why does shit like that make some scientists skeptical of the AGW theory? Ah, now there is a good question. Why would a cooling trend for NH winters mean so much? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1315 "2014-01-12T15:24:02Z")
> [@burunduk34](#): > > According to Time magazine, we should be worried about global cooling, not about global warming. > > [Another Ice Age? | TIME](http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html) > > Would it be possible to stop (or maybe even reverse) global cooling, by increasing CO2 emissions, via burning more coal, producing cars with less fuel efficiency, banning hybrids and electric cars, etc? I could only read the first paragraph without creating a log-in account. That part makes the same mistake the AGW useless apes make, taking an incredibly short time frame, say 5 years, and claim it’s enough to project 10,000 years. However, if we look at the [ice core data](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg) for the past 500,000 years, then yes, we **can** project that indeed the average global temperatures will be lower than today in 10,000 years. That projection will **have** to have a probability assigned to it (which I myself don’t know). Just look at that nasty anomaly at 225,000 years ago. Obviously, only a fool would make a broad reaching claim-as-fact about such matters. “A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West” This statement is materially false, a lie if you like. I live in the American Far West and recent winters have been mild, so mild if fact that a recent killing frost was the first since winter of 2010/11. All my tender annuals that I planted spring of '11 just died. But that’s completely usual and normal. Time magazine is lying to your face. Crap, the forecast for San Diego on Tuesday is for a high of 85ºF … fuck an `A` … we all live in the wrong places. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1316 "2014-01-12T15:35:25Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > “A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West” > > This statement is materially false, a lie if you like. I live in the American Far West and recent winters have been mild, so mild if fact that a recent killing frost was the first since winter of 2010/11. I’m sure you are just joking around. Hahaha Here’s a transcript of the complete article. [http://www.perceptions.couk.com/cold-clim-fears.txt](http://www.perceptions.couk.com/cold-clim-fears.txt) If you had read my previous posts (and why wouldn’t anyone?) and followd the links, it would all be clear. Something youngsters can’t grasp was how the sea ice was areal fucking problem back in the cold period. > [@](#): > > Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F. You couldn’t get a single goddamn ship in or out of Iceland due to the sea ice in winters. It was bad. Same for the great lakes shipping, it was fucking colder than hell sometimes in the US. The arctic sea ice sat data starts in 1979, just after the arctic warming started. It’s why they always show the chart starting in 79. If it started in 1940 the huge increase in sea ice up until 78 would be obvious, as well as how there used to be less sea ice during the 40s. But that makes the global warming scare story sort of fall apart. Can’t very well have that. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1317 "2014-01-12T17:08:14Z")
I am not joking around. It has not been unusually cold in the Far West, nowhere even close. It is a material falsehood to state otherwise. We are currently in an ice age that started 30 million years ago. If you give creditability to the O18 data, then we can say the Earth was free of permanent ice during the previous 70 million years. I personally don’t understand the O18 data, and can give you no guidance whether to accept it or not. If there’s permanent ice, then we’re in an ice age. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1318 "2014-01-12T17:21:53Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I am not joking around. It has not been unusually cold in the Far West, nowhere even close. What do you mean by the “far west”? And the ice age story was from the seventies. Derp. ---
**Author:** ![burunduk34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burunduk34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burunduk34)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1319 "2014-01-12T17:29:24Z")
TIME magazine is confusing the heck out of me. Now it claims the global warming is upon us? > **[Climate Change Might Just Be Driving the Historic Cold Snap | TIME.com](https://science.time.com/2014/01/06/climate-change-driving-cold-weather/)** > > Climate change skeptics are pointing to the record cold weather as evidence that the globe isn't warming. But it could be that melting Arctic ice is making sudden cold snaps more likely—not less So, which one is it?? Global warming? Global cooling? How can we save the Gaia? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1320 "2014-01-12T17:31:38Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > What do you mean by the “far west”? > > And the ice age story was from the seventies. Derp. West of the Sierra’s … as climatically separate from the Intermountain West. That story is from Time Magazine, so who’s the derp, eh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=67)