# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1341 "2014-01-13T00:36:48Z")
If God didn’t want carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, He wouldn’t have put it there, now would He? ---
**Author:** ![citizenzen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a8b319/32.png) [@citizenzen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/citizenzen)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1342 "2014-01-13T00:45:13Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > It’s not really my responsibility to go on a fetch-quest in order to puzzle out what you mean. It’s certainly not my responsibility to educate you. You’re on your own there. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > But that isn’t what people are up in arms about. Is it? > > Oh no, not at all. I think that would be the human-caused aspect. [and yes, I know that isn’t in their definition. For that you’d actually have to read the main content.] > [@watchwolf49](#): > > If God didn’t want carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, He wouldn’t have put it there, now would He? I prefer science over faith. If you’re going to insert God into the argument, I’ll have to bow out of the discussion with you and leave that argument to a theologian. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1343 "2014-01-13T00:50:10Z")
> [@citizenzen](#): > > It’s certainly not my responsibility to educate you. Depends about what – if you use a special term, it’s your responsibility to explain what you mean by that term. In this case, you asserted that “Climate Change” is real. Once you explained what you meant by “Climate Change,” it turns out you were making an assertion which pretty much nobody denies. In other words, you were attacking a nice juicy strawman. I hope it made you feel good. ---
**Author:** ![citizenzen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a8b319/32.png) [@citizenzen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/citizenzen)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1344 "2014-01-13T01:01:25Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Depends about what – if you use a special term, it’s your responsibility to explain what you mean by that term. > > In this case, you asserted that “Climate Change” is real. > > Once you explained what you meant by “Climate Change,” it turns out you were making an assertion which pretty much nobody denies. > > In other words, you were attacking a nice juicy strawman. I hope it made you feel good. So you believe Climate Change is real and human-induced? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1345 "2014-01-13T01:33:45Z")
> [@citizenzen](#): > > So you believe Climate Change is real Of course. > [@](#): > > and human-induced? It depends what “Climate Change” you are referring to. For example, I do not believe that the Little Ice Age was human-induced. I do believe that human activities have contributed to the increase in global surface temperatures during the 20th Century. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1346 "2014-01-13T15:26:37Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > It depends what “Climate Change” you are referring to. For example, I do not believe that the Little Ice Age was human-induced. I do believe that human activities have contributed to the increase in global surface temperatures during the 20th Century. I agree … what I don’t believe is that this contribution from man is bad in every respect. I see good things coming from rising temperatures as well. Just dumping carbon dioxide and natural gas into the atmosphere isn’t going to destroy life of Earth, it’s not going to cause the sun to flare out, it’s not going to cause economic ruin. How many places on Earth would benefit from increased rainfall? I see rising temperatures as a boon to mankind, the dawn of a golden age of prosperity etc etc etc. At least … it better be. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1347 "2014-01-13T21:02:57Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [Atlanta breaks a century-old temperature record](http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/23151205/atlanta-breaks-a-century-old-temperature-record) > [@](#): > > **Record low temperatures invade Atlanta** > > Posted: Jan 04, 2014 11:49 AM EST > Updated: Jan 07, 2014 12:08 PM EST > Atlanta breaks a 44 year old record low on Tuesday morning, as it dipped down to 6 degrees. Wind chill values made it feel much worse, down around 10 to 15 below zero. [http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/24362274/record-low-temperatures-invade-atlanta](http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/24362274/record-low-temperatures-invade-atlanta) > [@](#): > > Jan 10, 2014, 2:27pm EST > **Georgia Power breaks winter record** [http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2014/01/10/georgia-power-breaks-winter-record.html](http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2014/01/10/georgia-power-breaks-winter-record.html) ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1348 "2014-01-13T21:08:46Z")
Which as I understand it is exactly what you’d expect. The atmosphere warms, more moisture goes into the air which destabilizes the jet stream and causes it to suck cold air down from the arctic. Very simplistic, I know, but there it is. Yes it seems ironic, but the current bout of cold temperatures is caused by global warming. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1349 "2014-01-13T21:13:02Z")
Oh for the love of all that is good and true, please don’t … ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1350 "2014-01-13T21:13:28Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oh for the love of all that is good and true, please don’t … I did. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1351 "2014-01-13T21:15:31Z")
> **[Time Magazine Swings Both Ways](https://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2014/01/07/time-magazine-swings-both-ways-n258175)** Read it and weep. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1352 "2014-01-13T21:16:45Z")
**Siberia experiences freak warm weather in December for first time in living memory** > **[Siberia experiences freak warm weather in December](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525993/What-happened-Siberia-Russian-region-famous-cold-experiences-freak-warm-weather-December-time-living-memory.html#ixzz2qJbk4SoI)** > > At this time of year the harsh east Russian region is normally covered in a thick layer of snow with temperatures plummeting to as low as -40C. > [@](#): > > In the city of Tomsk, where it normally averages around -15C at this time of year, the forecast next week predicts long spells of sunshine and relatively balmy temperatures of between -1C and -5C. > By comparison, the average December day time temperature in London is only slightly higher at around 6C. > > … > > Elsewhere in Siberia it’s a similar story. In Krasnoyarsk, where December temperatures normally fall to between -23°C to -17°C, often hitting as low as -35°C there is barely any snow to be found at all. > > And in the city of Barnaul, where at this time of year you normally find people fishing through thick ice of the Rive Ob, it has been feeling more like Spring with blue skies and ducks swimming around. > > The unusually high Siberian temperatures are the latest in a long line of strange weather events this year including hail falling in Cairo and snow falling in Israel, Syria and Jordan. > > Last month was the warmest November on record worldwide since records began in 1880. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1353 "2014-01-13T21:20:15Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [Time Magazine Swings Both Ways – PJ Media](http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2014/01/07/time-magazine-swings-both-ways/) > > Read it and weep. Yes, I’m sure I can trust a source that tag the article as “Liberal Fascism.” ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1354 "2014-01-13T21:27:35Z")
I have [weather.com](http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USGA0028) giving the record low in Atlanta as -9ºF in 1899. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1355 "2014-01-13T21:57:22Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > Yes, I’m sure I can trust a source that tag the article as “Liberal Fascism.” That isn’t the source, the source is TIME. You are making a classic error, not looking at the source, but the page that reports it, and dismissing the data. TIME magazine actually ran a story blaming global cooling for the polar vortex shift and record cold. In the seventies. Then ran the same story, but blaming global warming for the same event. It’s classic pseudoscience, where nothing can disprove global warming. It’s sickening. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > **Siberia experiences freak warm weather in December for first time in living memory** > > [What has happened to Siberia? Russian region famous for being cold experiences freak warm weather in December for first time in living memory | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525993/What-happened-Siberia-Russian-region-famous-cold-experiences-freak-warm-weather-December-time-living-memory.html#ixzz2qJbk4SoI) I look at Russia and Siberia everyday, so I know that story is bullshit. [http://www.weatherforecastmap.com/russia/](http://www.weatherforecastmap.com/russia/) And yep, after looking at the story (nice almost nude babes btw) it’s a con. Almost a complete fabrication. If you believed that story, you got conned. You want me to prove it? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1356 "2014-01-13T22:01:16Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I have [weather.com](http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USGA0028) giving the record low in Atlanta as -9ºF in 1899. The confusion is between the all time record ever for any date, and the record for Jan 6 or whatever date they are talking about. If the all time ever record cold was broken, that would be a much bigger story. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1357 "2014-01-13T22:03:33Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You want me to prove it? Don’t even try. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1358 "2014-01-13T22:08:34Z")
The “record cold” was for Jan 7, but the record for Jan 6 is -1 °F (1884), [and for the 8th](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KATL/2014/1/8/DailyHistory.html) it is 6 °F (1970), so when they say “broke a record” they mean for that day. Same for the warm days. If an all time record is broken, it’s pretty big news. It happens very rarely. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1359 "2014-01-13T22:35:34Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > That isn’t the source, the source is TIME. You are making a classic error, not looking at the source, but the page that reports it, and dismissing the data. > > TIME magazine actually ran a story blaming global cooling for the polar vortex shift and record cold. In the seventies. Then ran the same story, but blaming global warming for the same event. It’s classic pseudoscience, where nothing can disprove global warming. It’s sickening. No, Time ran a story saying that some scientists believed it, But, since Time Magazine is the go to source, then: > **[Sigh. The GOP Cites “Global Cooling.” Again | TIME.com](https://science.time.com/2011/05/29/sigh-the-right-cites-global-cooling-again/)** > > There ought to be a special place in honesty jail for people who say presposterously wrong things publicly — and know full well they're doing so. If such a place exists, it's time to turn down Newt Gringrich's bed and place a mint on his pillow,... > [@](#): > > But back to that global cooling thing: The former Congressman (R, Tiffany’s), is absolutely right that at one point in the 1970s, some scientists did believe it was taking place. Then, as other scientists looked more deeply into the data, they discovered the findings were flawed and the theory was discarded. That … is how science gets done. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1360 "2014-01-13T22:55:30Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > No, Time ran a story saying that some scientists believed it, No, and your efforts to redirect are futile. what happened is self evident. Two extreme cold events happened. In the seventies TIME ran a story blaming the polar vortex cold on global cooling (which was indeed occurring). Then in 2014 blamed the polar vortex on global warming (which is ironic since the trend for January is cooling, especially in the areas effected by the extreme cold) > **[Time Magazine Goes Both Ways On The Polar Vortex](https://realclimate.science/2014/01/07/time-magazine-goes-both-ways-on-the-polar-vortex/)** > > In 1974, Time Magazine blamed the cold polar vortex on global cooling. Scientists have found other indications of global cooling. For one thing there has been a noticeable expansion of the great be… They got caught doing exactly what a lot of other people are doing. Blaming both warming and cooling on global warming. Which is fucking hilarious if you have a sense of humor left. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=69)