# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1361 "2014-01-13T22:57:28Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The “record cold” was for Jan 7, but the record for Jan 6 is -1 °F (1884), [and for the 8th](http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KATL/2014/1/8/DailyHistory.html) it is 6 °F (1970), so when they say “broke a record” they mean for that day. > > Same for the warm days. If an all time record is broken, it’s pretty big news. It happens very rarely. I think you’re using that data wrong. For example, we once had 0.02" of rain on July 23rd. That was the ONLY time rain had ever been recorded on July 23rd since records have been kept starting in 1894(?). It has never rained on that date since. Is this a significant event, after all, it is unique in recorded history. But if we compare this to other dates in July, we find this to be a very typical value, dates where there’s been only two or three recorded rainfalls, all a few hundredth of an inch. I’m looking at {[weather.gov](http://weather.gov) –\> local area –\> Climate, Local –\> Record Event Report} that’s available throughout the United States. I see about a half dozen records broken every month for the past 6 months in my local area, we’ve seen 30 or 40 records broken in just 6 months … and the weather’s been pretty average. +6ºF is normal for Atlanta, Georgia … that happens several times per century and will continue to happen even with Climate Stability. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1362 "2014-01-13T23:03:40Z")
[Global warming caused it!](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=2002&year2=2012&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) [Global cooling caused it!](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=1940&year2=1974&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg) The warminista wants you to think there was no global cooling scare. [They are dead wrong of course](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1940&year2=1974&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg). The fucking data doesn’t lie. Just as we are seeing [a cooling trend for winters now](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=1995&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg), along with wicked cold winters and shit like that. [The last decade has been real interesting](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=2002&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg). (but it doesn’t matter from a statistics POV) So here is [a meaningless look at winter trends](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=11&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=2005&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg). I just like it because of those - 16.5 C drops in temperatures, where it used to be really warming. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1363 "2014-01-13T23:07:03Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I think you’re using that data wrong. For example, we once had 0.02" of rain on July 23rd. That was the ONLY time rain had ever been recorded on July 23rd since records have been kept starting in 1894(?). It has never rained on that date since. Where the hell are you talking about? Atlanta has a record of 4.64 inches of rain on July 23rd (1898) The reason you see records broken all the time is for weather stations. Not all time state temperature records. Those are a different story. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1364 "2014-01-13T23:10:16Z")
I’m pretty sure disease is caused by an imbalance in the humors. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1365 "2014-01-13T23:14:01Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The fucking data doesn’t lie. Statistics don’t lie, but … welll … you know that line. Please post the complete dataset, which includes relative humidity, winds, pressure, particle counts and the other metrics involved in climate. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1366 "2014-01-13T23:15:03Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > +6ºF is normal for Atlanta, Georgia … that happens several times per century and will continue to happen even with Climate Stability. What the hell does climate stability mean? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1367 "2014-01-13T23:16:36Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Where the hell are you talking about? Atlanta has a record of 4.64 inches of rain on July 23rd (1898) > > The reason you see records broken all the time is for weather stations. Not all time state temperature records. Those are a different story. Dear Lord Almighty … I don’t live in Atlanta … 2000 miles away is WAY to close in my opinion. That data is from my local NWS office, you know, from meteorologists who aren’t afraid of math. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1368 "2014-01-13T23:17:57Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > What the hell does climate stability mean? LOL … you’re phishing now … wrong bait. If you don’t know what climate stability is, then you don’t know what climate change is. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1369 "2014-01-13T23:20:29Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Don’t even try. Sorry, I already debunked the story. It’s funny how gullible people are when the story is “OMG! Record warmth!”. But talk about record cold and they are all, “It’s just fucking weather you moron” ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1370 "2014-01-13T23:22:29Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Dear Lord Almighty … I don’t live in Atlanta … Obviously, I asked where the hell are you talking about. > [@watchwolf49](#): > > If you don’t know what climate stability is, then you don’t know what climate change is. I’m asking you what you mean when you use the term. Nothing more. Paging Brazil, paging Brazil. We have a new term, undefined by a user. Please pick up the nearest white courtesy phone. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1371 "2014-01-13T23:26:06Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I’m looking at {[weather.gov](http://weather.gov) –\> local area –\> Climate, Local –\> Record Event Report} that’s available throughout the United States. I see about a half dozen records broken every month for the past 6 months in my local area, we’ve seen 30 or 40 records broken in just 6 months … and the weather’s been pretty average. Records are broke ALL THE TIME. What is not broken are the ALL TIME records for a state. Those are very rare to be broken. As in, the hottest ever in California, or the coldest ever in Ohio, that sort of record. [http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/climate/records/1week/us.html](http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/climate/records/1week/us.html) Which is why it was such a big deal when the all time record for low daily high temperature is broken. That is actually a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1372 "2014-01-13T23:29:04Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Sorry, I already debunked the story. I find your debunkage unpersuasive. Got anything else? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1373 "2014-01-13T23:44:33Z")
You have confused me with somebody who gives a shit. ---
**Author:** ![citizenzen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a8b319/32.png) [@citizenzen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/citizenzen)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1374 "2014-01-13T23:44:40Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I find your debunkage unpersuasive. Got anything else? It’s unpersuasive because it’s the wrong arena. You don’t debunk Climate Change in a forum. You debunk Climate Change in labs, papers, symposiums and scientific journals. Claiming to debunk Climate Change in a forum just leads me to believe that the person making that claim is delusional. There are well-established and acceptable ways to prove things scientifically. As you suggest, posting in a forum called The BBQ Pit doesn’t quite measure up to those standards. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1375 "2014-01-13T23:47:50Z")
> [@citizenzen](#): > > It’s unpersuasive because it’s the wrong arena. Look dumbass, we are talking about a Daily Fail “news” story, not the scientific basis of climate change. Try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![citizenzen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a8b319/32.png) [@citizenzen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/citizenzen)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1376 "2014-01-13T23:56:09Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Look dumbass, we are talking about a Daily Fail “news” story, not the scientific basis of climate change. > > Try to keep up. There, there … get it all out. I know it will make you feel better. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1377 "2014-01-13T23:56:51Z")
Dad? Is that you? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1378 "2014-01-14T00:11:37Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You have confused me with somebody who gives a shit. If that were true, you wouldn’t respond to my posts. A[Actually, this cold weather can be linked to global warming](http://www.salon.com/2014/01/07/this_freezing_weather_could_be_a_sign_of_global_warming_newscred/) [Climate Change Might Just Be Driving the Historic Cold Snap](http://science.time.com/2014/01/06/climate-change-driving-cold-weather/#ixzz2qKHk0vxr) [Why Cold Weather Doesn’t Mean Global Warming Isn’t Real](http://www.businessinsider.com/cold-weather-doesnt-discredit-global-warming-2014-1#ixzz2qKHytjeh) [Polar vortex extends to warm Scandinavian winter](http://blueandgreentomorrow.com/2014/01/13/polar-vortex-extends-to-warm-scandinavian-winter/) [Wellington warmer than usual](http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9604847/Wellington-warmer-than-usual) [Walden Pond Trees Leafing out Far Earlier Than in Thoreau’s Time](http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140113114756.htm) [2013 third hottest year on record](http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9605835/2013-third-hottest-year-on-record) [Winters Getting Warmer In U.S.](http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/us-winters-getting-warmer-precipitation-trends-are-mixed-bag-20131219) ---
**Author:** ![burunduk34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burunduk34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burunduk34)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1379 "2014-01-14T00:22:29Z")
What can I do in my every day life to help stop the global cooling? I’m shopping for a new station wagon, and Cadillac CTS Wagon gets about 14 MPG. It might not be much, but it’'s a start… ---
**Author:** ![burunduk34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burunduk34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burunduk34)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1380 "2014-01-14T00:26:54Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > Yes, I’m sure I can trust a source that tag the article as “Liberal Fascism.” Ex-fucking-actly. The source in question provides links to 2 articles from TIME magazine, blaming the “polar vortex” for both global cooling and global warming. Obviously, it can’t be trusted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=70)