# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/121 "2013-08-26T16:48:04Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > GIGO, don’t you ever get tired of entertaining these clowns? And I don’t mean this with even a little bit of derision. You always make such thoughtful, well-reasoned contributions to these threads, only to be met with “Derp, derp, it was cold yesterday. Democrats!!!” When I grow up, I want to be as smart and patient as you. Thank for that, you are not really mean **MeanOldLady**! 🙂 But there is another reason why I do these exercises, as I have pointed many times before I’m not an expert, I post for others and also to learn more. The main point is that the clowns even deny that most conservative and Republican scientists are telling those clowns how wrong they are. When the science is so lopsided in favor of something like AGW, logic should tell all that a proper look at the sources and scientific publications should allow people like me to \*\*constantly \*\*find good evidence coming out of their ears and fairly easy to post here, something that would not be case if the science was not there (for almost 100 years already) or controversial as many of those clowns insist it is. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/122 "2013-08-26T16:58:15Z")
Global warming makes people cranky ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/123 "2013-08-27T08:57:52Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Of course it’s a valid point. It’s an excellent point. Note that nobody even acknowledged the point? (until now of course) You didn’t address it either, dumbass. The problem here is that you mean this thread to be funny, but your comedy is worse than mine (which is saying something). There comes a time where you drop the jokes and start telling it as you think it is. You haven’t done that. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/124 "2013-08-27T15:43:49Z")
News flash! TV Globo (Brazil) reported that Santa Catarina province (extreme southern Brazil) had a measurable snowfall last night…for the first time in 70 years! Hate to break it to the “Global Warming” crowd, but this is significant…the earth is slowly reverting to a cooling cycle , caused by (drum roll), reduced solar activity! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/125 "2013-08-27T16:18:45Z")
Solar, smolar! > **[Global cooling - Is global warming still happening?](https://skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm)** > > \Empirical measurements of the Earth's heat content show the planet is still accumulating heat and global warming is still happening. Surface temperatures can show short-term cooling when heat is exchanged between the atmosphere and the ocean,... > [@](#): > > When looking for evidence of global warming, there are many different indicators that we should look for. Whilst it’s natural to start with air temperatures, a more thorough examination should be as inclusive as possible; snow cover, ice melt, air temperatures over land and sea, even the sea temperatures themselves. A 2010 study included 10 key indicators, and as shown below, every one of them is moving in the direction expected of a warming globe. > > The question of global warming stopping is often raised in the light of a recent weather event - a big snowfall or drought breaking rain. Global warming is entirely compatible with these events; after all they are just weather. For climate change, it is the long term trends that are important; measured over decades or more, and those long term trends show that the globe is still, unfortunately, warming. > **[A grand solar minimum would barely make a dent in human-caused global warming](https://skepticalscience.com/grand-solar-minimum-barely-dent-AGW.html)** > > The Maunder Minimum was a period of very low solar activity between 1645 and 1715, and the Dalton Minimum was a period of low (but not as low as the Maunder Minimum) solar activity between 1790 and 1830.  Solar research suggests that we may have a... > [@](#): > > A grand solar minimum would barely make a dent in human-caused global warming > > … > > Human Influence on Climate Change is Bigger than the Sun’s > > The bottom line is that the sun and the amount of solar radiation reaching Earth are very stable. Even during the Maunder and Dalton grand solar minima, global cooling was relatively small - smaller than the amount of global warming caused by human greenhouse gas emissions over the past century. > > A new grand solar minimum would not trigger another LIA; in fact, the maximum 0.3°C cooling would barely make a dent in the human-caused global warming over the next century, likely between 1 and 5°C, depending on how much we manage to reduce our fossil fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions. While this is equivalent to about a decade’s worth of human-caused warming, **it’s also important to bear in mind that any solar cooling would only be temporary, until the end of the solar minimum.** > > The science is quite clear that the human influence on climate change has become bigger than the sun’s. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/126 "2013-08-27T18:28:02Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > You didn’t address it either, dumbass. I said “acknowledged”, not address. This forum is no place for an intelligent thoughtful discussion of meteorology or climate science. > [@ralph124c](#): > > News flash! TV Globo (Brazil) reported that Santa Catarina province (extreme southern Brazil) had a measurable snowfall last night…for the first time in 70 years! > Hate to break it to the “Global Warming” crowd, but this is significant…the earth is slowly reverting to a cooling cycle , caused by (drum roll), reduced solar activity! Yes, but it is because of global warming. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/127 "2013-08-27T20:10:06Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I said “acknowledged”, not address. . stupid weasel. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/128 "2013-08-27T20:55:00Z")
the way of the world ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/129 "2013-08-28T14:35:35Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > News flash! TV Globo (Brazil) reported that Santa Catarina province (extreme southern Brazil) had a measurable snowfall last night…for the first time in 70 years! > Hate to break it to the “Global Warming” crowd, but this is significant…the earth is slowly reverting to a cooling cycle , caused by (drum roll), reduced solar activity! What part of GLOBAL do you not understand? Just because in some normally warm places the weather is freakishly different, does not mean that globally the weather is not warming up - it is. The current problem is not really where most humans live at this moment in time – the problem starts at the North & South Pole, where it’s much warmer than it should be. The ice is melting at the Poles and cools the sea down, which cools the weather where most humans live – but not the planet. All this is repairable, but it takes time to do so – sadly no quick fix, since a lot of the damage we currently noticing comes from the crap we pumped into the atmosphere 30-100 years ago…… fixing it is also long-term. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/130 "2013-08-28T17:13:04Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > The ice is melting at the Poles and cools the sea down, which cools the weather where most humans live – but not the planet… Damn you Global Warming! You make the weather cooler! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/131 "2013-08-29T17:39:33Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > . . . . I do not engage with this poster because of his insistence on hiding his position behind a cloak of ambiguity. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/132 "2013-08-29T17:45:08Z")
Meanwhile Global Warming has once again attacked a poor third world nation, and this time it was deadly. > [@](#): > > **Peru Declares State of Emergency in Puno as Temperatures Drop** > > August 28, 2013 by Andean Air Mail & PERUVIAN TIMES > > Peru’s government has declared a state of emergency in parts of the southern Andean region of Puno that have been hit with the coldest temperatures in a decade, daily El Comercio reported. > President Ollanta Humala, visiting the area this week, announced the emergency for seven provinces in Puno – Carabaya, Sandia, Lampa, San Antonio de Putina, Melgar, Puno and El Collao. > Hundreds of families have been affected and more than 250,000 alpacas have died due to freezing temperatures and snow storms that have hit the southern highlands. [http://www.peruviantimes.com/28/peru-declares-state-of-emergency-in-puno-as-temperatures-drop/20080/](http://www.peruviantimes.com/28/peru-declares-state-of-emergency-in-puno-as-temperatures-drop/20080/) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/133 "2013-08-29T17:47:25Z")
The problem the deniers have caused is becoming obvious. It looks like people have become relaxed and complacent, they were fooled by the deniers, and now that global warming is actually happening, and people are suffering and livestock are dead, you can’t deny global warming any longer. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/134 "2013-08-29T17:48:18Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I do not engage with this poster because of his insistence on hiding his position behind a cloak of ambiguity. And I engage the sayings of the brasil nut only because others have to learn how off base and nutty he is. 🙂 Once again, Scientist Barry Bickmore tell us how dumb is to ignore and misrepresent this issue: [http://climatecrocks.com/2011/11/11/the-weekend-wonk-how-i-avoided-the-truth-on-climate-change/](http://climatecrocks.com/2011/11/11/the-weekend-wonk-how-i-avoided-the-truth-on-climate-change/) > [@](#): > > Barry Bickmore is Associate Professor of Geological Sciences at Brigham Young University. His research specialties are low-temperature geochemistry and geoscience education. In this presentation, he discusses how he moved from being a climate change “skeptic” to being an outspoken advocate of mainstream climate science. He then discusses how it is that people like him can so effectively avoid the truth about climate change. (about 40 minutes) Yep. Long lecture, but required viewing for all that are indeed skeptics and not the false ones that do not bother to bring evidence and continue being clowns. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/135 "2013-08-29T17:59:22Z")
It’s crazy to deny global warming. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/136 "2013-08-29T18:09:09Z")
Thursday, August 29, 2013 > [@](#): > > FAIRBANKS - A severe winter storm hit Alaska’s Brooks Range on Wednesday, stranding numerous trucks on the Dalton Highway amid heavy drifting snow, high winds and zero visibility. > > The Alaska Department of Transportation said that conditions are forcing maintenance crews to withdraw from a 110-mile stretch of the Dalton Highway in the Atigun Pass area. Travel is not advised because of the poor conditions, which include winds of 50-60 mph. > > “They just can’t keep it open,” said DOT spokeswoman Meadow Bailey. “They plow through it, and it just blows over again.” > > An undetermined number of trucks also are stuck between 275 Mile and 305 Mile, according to DOT. Bailey said drivers are being retrieved from trucks stuck in the roadway, but most appear to be staying put while parked along the side of the road. [http://www.ktva.com/home/top-stories/White-out-Conditions-Close-Dalton-Highway-116880013.html?m=y](http://www.ktva.com/home/top-stories/White-out-Conditions-Close-Dalton-Highway-116880013.html?m=y) You see that? Along with [record snow in Brazil](http://zerohora.clicrbs.com.br/rs/geral/noticia/2013/08/neve-registrada-em-sao-jose-dos-ausentes-e-a-maior-em-13-anos-4248459.html), it’s no longer an option to even question global warming. it’s real, and it’s now, and people are going to die. It makes me sick. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/137 "2013-08-29T19:27:56Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Hate to break it to the “Global Warming” crowd, but this is significant…the earth is slowly reverting to a cooling cycle , caused by (drum roll), reduced solar activity! No, the cooling is due to the warming. You didn’t hear? Now that the extra heat is going into the deep ocean (making it seem cool) the global warming is actually increasing. And the more it speeds up the faster the world will cool down, until then it warms up, and then you will see how bad it really is. Don’t be deceived by measurements, the climate models clearly show warming has increased. No matter what the sun does, or any of those natural cycles, man is causing the world to end. It must be stopped. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/138 "2013-08-29T21:18:34Z")
Psychological warning signs of drug abuse- - Appears unduly fearful, anxious, or paranoid - Sudden mood swings, irritability, or angry outbursts - Periods of unusual hyperactivity, agitation, or giddiness Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/139 "2013-08-30T00:05:36Z")
Well, I guess he is not even an FX person either. 😛 So, back in 2009 this was reported by Meehle 2009: > **[Record high temperatures versus record lows](https://skepticalscience.com/Record-high-temperatures-versus-record-lows.html)** > > Since the mid 1970s, global temperatures have been warming at around 0.2°C per decade. However, weather imposes it's own dramatic ups and downs over the long term trend. So we expect to see record cold temperatures even during global warming.... > [@](#): > > To examine this further, the ratio of record highs versus record lows were calculated for each year. Figure 2 shows the yearly ratio as black dots. The solid green line is the smoothed trend. During a period of global cooling in the 1960s, there were more record lows than highs. However, when the global warming period began in the 1970s, the ratio of highs to lows began to increase. Over the last decade, daily record high temperatures occurred twice as often as record lows. > > Figure 2: observations of the ratio of record highs to record lows each year (dots), solid line is a smoothed curve fit. > > So we see that even during global warming, cold days are expected. However, there’s a much greater chance of daily record highs instead of lows. This tendency towards hotter days is expected to increase as global warming continues into the 21st Century. So what do we got now? Last year in the USA the warm records reached 90% of the incidents vs 10% for the cold records. [http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/more-heat-records-compared-to-cold-records/](http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/more-heat-records-compared-to-cold-records/) As usual, on this discussions, that does not mean that we will go higher automatically on 2013, I have seen so many fluctuations in the short range that I do expect the difference to become more moderate this year, but it would be very hard to see the same ratio as it was seen in the 50’s and yes, we are still bound to see a good number of cold records still, but the big picture is telling us that the warming is not going away. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/140 "2013-08-30T17:50:05Z")
“As the climate has warmed during the past several decades, there has been a growing imbalance between record daily high temperatures in the contiguous U.S. and record daily lows.” And since the US is the world that means worldwide it is happening. You can’t deny it. And it has nothing to do with cities getting hotter. As goes a large US urban area, so goes the world. You know in your heart it is true. Global warming. It’s real, it’s here, and you are to blame for it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=8)