# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1381 "2014-01-14T00:28:34Z")
> [@burunduk34](#): > > What can I do in my every day life to help stop the global cooling? > I’m shopping for a new station wagon, and Cadillac CTS Wagon gets about 14 MPG. > It might not be much, but it’'s a start… Burn everything you legally can to boil as much water as possible. Try to stay away from natural products, like wood and paper … focus on plastics. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1382 "2014-01-14T00:30:26Z")
> [@burunduk34](#): > > … TIME magazine … Oh, please, you’ll get better science from The Hickville Weekly Shopper. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1383 "2014-01-14T00:32:07Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If that were true, you wouldn’t respond to my posts. When you post something scientific, or even seemingly scientific, I always respond. Your idiot screed, I just ignore. Monkeys acting like idiots on the internet don’t interest me. Lets look at this story you copied and pasted from elsewhere, and I will explain why it bullshit, propaganda, and unscientific. > [@](#): > > The Winter Solstice arrives on Saturday, marking a headlong plunge into winter. Looking at the past 42 years of data shows that almost the entirety of the Lower 48 has warmed over the season. Precipitation trends show more regional differences, though. > > Winter begins in the meteorological sense on December 1 and runs through February. Since 1970, winters have warmed 0.61°F per decade in the contiguous U.S. > > The warming isn’t uniform, though. California and Nevada have only warmed at a rate of 0.17°F per decade over that time — the slowest winter warming region in the country — and the Southeast has gone up just 0.29°F per decade. [Winters Getting Warmer In U.S.](http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/us-winters-getting-warmer-precipitation-trends-are-mixed-bag-20131219) This is obviously NCDC data they are using, rather than GISS. (the two are not exactly the same) The first red flag is they do not list the source, they just say shit. (it’s easy enough to link to the source data, but they don’t even mention it, much less link to it). Second red flag is the time period they use, starting at the coldest part of the record, rather than all the data, and the trends. The NCDC data just sucks for presentation, so I will use GISS to show why they are liars. Clever, but liars. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1384 "2014-01-14T00:34:00Z")
> [@burunduk34](#): > > Ex-fucking-actly. The source in question provides links to 2 articles from TIME magazine, blaming the “polar vortex” for both global cooling and global warming. Obviously, it can’t be trusted. Obviously. Anyone who would post links to the actual data is up to something. Can’t trust them. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1385 "2014-01-14T00:42:18Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > When you post something scientific, or even seemingly scientific, I always respond. Your idiot screed, I just ignore. Monkeys acting like idiots on the internet don’t interest me. Lets look at this story you copied and pasted from elsewhere, and I will explain why it bullshit, propaganda, and unscientific.[Winters Getting Warmer In U.S.](http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/us-winters-getting-warmer-precipitation-trends-are-mixed-bag-20131219) This is obviously NCDC data they are using, rather than GISS. (the two are not exactly the same) > > The first red flag is they do not list the source, they just say shit. (it’s easy enough to link to the source data, but they don’t even mention it, much less link to it). Second red flag is the time period they use, starting at the coldest part of the record, rather than all the data, and the trends. > > The NCDC data just sucks for presentation, so I will use GISS to show why they are liars. Clever, but liars. You like me! You really, really like me! Since you don’t respond to science-free screeds, and you just responded to most of my cites, I can only take that as validation of their unassailable scientific basis. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1386 "2014-01-14T00:44:40Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The first red flag is they do not list the source The top chart says “Source : NOAA/NCDC” … it’s from, you know, those meteorologists who aren’t afraid of math. NISS data is an experimental remote sensing device, the paper I read from 2012 says they’re looking for conformation on the validity of the data they’re generating. Sorry, fella, NCDC data is “hard”, meaning the temperature data is from a “thermometer”, a cute old fashioned device used in the 20th century. ---
**Author:** ![burunduk34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burunduk34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burunduk34)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1387 "2014-01-14T00:45:03Z")
“Global warming” also causes the seas to be more salty, while the “climate change” causes the same seas to be less salty. > **[Global Warming Makes Sea Less Salty](https://www.livescience.com/3883-global-warming-sea-salty.html)** > > Climate changes have melted glaciers and brought more rain, dumping more fresh water into the oceans. > **[Climate change making seas more salty, research finds](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/oct/27/climate-change-water)** > > Global warming is making the sea more salty, according to new research that demonstrates the massive shifts in natural systems triggered by climate change “Global Warming Makes Sea Less Salty” “Climate change ‘making seas more salty’” Can the Earth’s seas be saved from this madness? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1388 "2014-01-14T00:53:20Z")
> [@](#): > > California and Nevada have only warmed at a rate of 0.17°F per decade over that time — the slowest winter warming region in the country — and the Southeast has gone up just 0.29°F per decade.- winter temperature trends in the U.S. from 1970 to 2012. [http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/us-winters-getting-warmer-precipitation-trends-are-mixed-bag-20131219](http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/us-winters-getting-warmer-precipitation-trends-are-mixed-bag-20131219) Got that? The southeast US winters have only warmed by around 1.2 F, while Cali and Nevada only went up around .7 F, and the decade trend is …Ah fuck this shit. The [NCDC](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/) data shows .1 F a decade for California for 1970-2013. [And -.9 F a decade if you use 1995-2013](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/04/00/tmp/3/02/1895-2013?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1995&lasttrendyear=2013). (you see how easy that is?) And fuck you GISS for being such a bitch. [Nevada - 2.2 a decade](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/26/00/tmp/3/02/1895-2013?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1995&lasttrendyear=2013) That bullshit article says “and the Southeast has gone up just 0.29°F per decade”, but looking at the official NCDC data, [we see .4 F a decade](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/104/00/tmp/3/02/1895-2013?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1970&lasttrendyear=2013). Stupid [weather.com](http://weather.com) But why is the whole thing so dishonest? [When you look at the last 18 years](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/104/00/tmp/3/02/1895-2013?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1995&lasttrendyear=2013) (when the winters really started getting cold again) the problem is fucking obvious. -.2 degrees a decade. WTF? (yeah, it’s 18 years of climate data) What about February, the coldest goddamn month of the year? Certainly it will show warming! Mothererfuck! - 1.0 degrees a decade? [For the southeast US](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/104/00/tmp/1/02/1895-2013?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1995&lasttrendyear=2013)? SCIENCE BITCHES! What about old Nevada? [SON OF A BITCH](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/26/00/tmp/1/02/1895-2013?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1995&lasttrendyear=2013)!! - 2.4 DEGREES A DECADE?? WHAT THE LIVING FUCK MAN? We now return you to the regularly scheduled stupid people offering insults. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1389 "2014-01-14T00:55:07Z")
Man I hope the links all work. But, it actually won’t matter. Nobody ever follows them. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1390 "2014-01-14T00:56:27Z")
If I want a citation, I’ll ask for it. I hope it is obvious to you why I rarely do [wolfish grin]. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1391 "2014-01-14T00:56:59Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > The top chart says “Source : NOAA/NCDC” We know, it’s why I said “it’s obviously from the NCDC”, but they simply did not fucking link to the source. Like I showed you can do. Easily and shit. So fuck you [weather.com](http://weather.com) I hope direct TV boots your greedy ass ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1392 "2014-01-14T01:00:09Z")
Yes, using weather data to sell commercial products only goes so far. You can trust [weather.gov](http://weather.gov) to tell you they have no idea what the weather will be tomorrow, they have the IRS for funding … ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1393 "2014-01-14T01:03:38Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > If I want a citation, I’ll ask for it. I hope it is obvious to you why I rarely do [wolfish grin]. Haha fuck it. I just realized vy using the data up to 2013 it changed all the 42 year trends. So the paper isn’t that far off, on their 1970-2012 data. But it’s still bullshit starting at 1970 to show warming. Watch this shit OMG Florida is burning up! [1970-2012 trend](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/08/00/tmp/3/02/1895-2013?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=1970&lasttrendyear=2012)! OH FUCK! Wait, oh fuck! [2002-2012](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/08/00/tmp/3/02/1895-2013?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=2002&lasttrendyear=2012)! Dropping like a rock! OMG! [A hundred years of data and winters are going down](http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/08/00/tmp/3/02/1895-2013?base_prd=true&firstbaseyear=1901&lastbaseyear=2000&trend=true&trend_base=10&firsttrendyear=2002&lasttrendyear=2012)! OK enough of this shit. Go do your own analysis. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1394 "2014-01-14T01:12:59Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Go do your own analysis. 20,000 years ago, it was colder. 30 million years ago, ice was not a permanent feature on the Earth’s surface anywhere, and hadn’t been for 600 million years. Today was the hottest day of the year here … but I think that’s normal. I live in the maritime Pacific Northwest, it rains every fucking day. ---
**Author:** ![citizenzen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a8b319/32.png) [@citizenzen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/citizenzen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1395 "2014-01-14T01:16:43Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > OK enough of this shit. Go do your own analysis. My analysis is that you’ve just neatly described your own. ---
**Author:** ![burunduk34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burunduk34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burunduk34)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1396 "2014-01-14T01:42:18Z")
“Fog over San Francisco thins by a third due to climate change” > **[Environment](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/)** > > Find all the latest news on the environment and climate change from the Telegraph. Including daily emissions and pollution data. “The Bay Area just had its foggiest May in 50 years. And thanks to global warming, it’s about to get even foggier” [http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Get-ready-for-even-foggier-summers-3226235.php](http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Get-ready-for-even-foggier-summers-3226235.php) Son of a bitch… ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1397 "2014-01-14T02:02:51Z")
> [@burunduk34](#): > > Son of a bitch… I think you got this global warming thing down. ---
**Author:** ![burunduk34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burunduk34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burunduk34)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1398 "2014-01-14T03:12:51Z")
Global warming also causes more prostitution > **[‘Climate change pushes poor women to prostitution, dangerous work’](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/nation/177346/climate-change-pushes-poor-women-to-prostitution-dangerous-work/story/)** > > The effects of climate change have driven women in communities in coastal areas in poor countries like the Philippines into dangerous work, and sometimes even the flesh trade, a United Nations official said. while also causing prostitution to decline > **[Global Warming: now it hits brothels](https://metro.co.uk/2007/03/06/global-warming-now-it-hits-brothels-131941/)** > > If people could still do this, they wouldn't want prostitutes. Or something like that.Brothel owners in Bulgaria are blaming global warming for staff shortages.They claim their best girls are working in ski resorts because a lack of snow has forced... ---
**Author:** ![burunduk34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burunduk34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burunduk34)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1399 "2014-01-14T03:14:57Z")
And, as we kinda expect by now, global warming continues to cause two opposite things at the same time > **[BBC News | SCI/TECH | Warming world 'means longer days'](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1816860.stm)** > > Belgian scientists say global warming will mean each day gets longer, though only slightly. “Belgian scientists have identified a hitherto unsuspected benefit of global warming - more time for all of us. They say increasing levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere will slow the Earth’s rotation” > **[Global warming will make Earth spin faster](https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11555-global-warming-will-make-earth-spin-faster/)** > > Of all the possible ways in which climate change could affect out planet, this is the most bizarre - the days will get shorter “Of all the possible ways in which climate change could affect our planet, this is the most bizarre: as the oceans warm up, Earth will start rotating a wee bit faster, reducing the length of a day” Is there anything global warming CANNOT do? ---
**Author:** ![burunduk34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ec8ea/32.png) [@burunduk34](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burunduk34)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1400 "2014-01-14T03:22:55Z")
Global warming also causes the decline in the number of circumcisions in Africa. > **[Seasons of change](https://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/books/seasons-of-change-20071103-ge67h1.html?page=2)** Would it be safe to guess here that it also must, inevitably, cause the increase in the number of circumcisions in Africa? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=71)