# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1461 "2014-01-19T22:05:49Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > And yes, the climategate deniers will tell you his opinion is poopy, cause he doesn’t agree with them. “Climategate Denier” … I like the sound of that … what do I have to believe to get that label? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2014, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1462 "2014-01-19T22:17:31Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > “Climategate Denier” … I like the sound of that … what do I have to believe to get that label? Well, for starters you have to believe that there wasn’t a single instance of anything bad revealed by the hacked data. And that the only bad people in the entire affair are the ones who read the emails and foolishly thought they saw bad things happening. It would also help if you believe that the entire purpose of the entire nasty incident was a failed attempt by climate deniers (people who don’t believe in climate) to make climate scientist look bad. Because other wise the climate scientist would stop using fossil fuels and it would cripple the fossil fuel industry. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1463 "2014-01-19T22:36:07Z")
Cool beans … good things are happening, check … climate change denialist (that’s ME !!!) failed to make climatologist look bad, check there, climatologists are doing a good enough job without my help … Don’t cripple the fossil fuel industry, check there as well, make it a quick death I say. I get to be on both sides of the fence at the same time, like in quantum mechanics !!! Hey FX, now will you call me a dirt-bag-son-of-a-bitch … please? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1464 "2014-01-19T22:42:58Z")
I’ve never called anyone “a dirt-bag-son-of-a-bitch”, and I ain’t startin now. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1465 "2014-01-19T22:52:18Z")
[crushed look] I’m beginning to think you don’t like me anymore … ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2014, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1466 "2014-01-19T22:54:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Well, for starters you have to believe that there wasn’t a single instance of anything bad revealed by the hacked data. And that the only bad people in the entire affair are the ones who read the emails and foolishly thought they saw bad things happening. > > It would also help if you believe that the entire purpose of the entire nasty incident was a failed attempt by climate deniers (people who don’t believe in climate) to make climate scientist look bad. Because other wise the climate scientist would stop using fossil fuels and it would cripple the fossil fuel industry. FX, would you please stop running away like a coward, and describe in detail what you think “climategate” is? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1467 "2014-01-19T23:20:39Z")
> [@](#): > > First let me say that in general, as my own opinion, I feel rather unconfortable about using not only unpublished but also un reviewed material as the backbone of our conclusions (or any conclusions). I realize that chapter 9 is including SRES stuff, and thus we can and need to do that too, but the fact is that in doing so the rules of IPCC have been softened to the point that in this way the IPCC is not any more an assessment of published science (which is its proclaimed goal) but production of results. The softened condition that the models themself have to be published does not even apply because the Japanese model for example is very different from the published one which gave results not even close to the actual outlier version (in the old dataset the CCC model was the outlier). Essentially, I feel that at this point there are very little rules and almost anything goes. **I think this will set a dangerous precedent which might mine the IPCC credibility** , and I am a bit unconfortable that now nearly everybody seems to think that it is just ok to do this. Anyways, this is only my opinion for what it is worth. [http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=0968705882.txt](http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=0968705882.txt) Man was he on the mark. That thing about the glaciers really fucked the pooch for the IPCC ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1468 "2014-01-19T23:22:02Z")
" I feel rather unconfortable about using not only unpublished but also un reviewed material as the backbone of our conclusions (or any conclusions" Really? I guess it’s good to know there was at least one person who felt bad about the clusterfuck they were producing. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1469 "2014-01-19T23:32:41Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > [crushed look] I’m beginning to think you don’t like me anymore … What the fuck ever gave you the idea that I liked you? Fuck, I don’t even know you! …At 10:03 PM 6/5/2003 -0600, Tom Wigley wrote: > [@](#): > > Mike, Well put! By chance SB03 may have got some of these precip things right, but we don’t want to give them any way to claim credit. Also, stationarity is the key. Let me tell you a story. A few years back, my son Eirik did a tree ring science fair project using trees behind NCAR. He found that widths correlated with both temp and precip. However, temp and precip also correlate. There is much other evidence that it is precip that is the driver, and that the temp/width correlation arises via the temp/precip correlation. Interestingly, the temp correlations are much more ephemeral, so the complexities conspire to make this linkage nonstationary. I have not seen any papers in the literature demonstrating this – but, as you point out Mike, it is a crucial issue. Tom. [http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0682.txt](http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0682.txt) SB03 is shorthand for [Soon and Baliunas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon_and_Baliunas_controversy), ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1470 "2014-01-20T01:52:01Z")
Wait, does **FXMastermind** seriously still think Climategate was a thing? Holy christ, what the fuck is wrong with him? Is he retarded or something? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1471 "2014-01-20T02:42:05Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Wait, does **FXMastermind** seriously still think Climategate was a thing? Holy christ, what the fuck is wrong with him? Is he retarded or something? This thread is 1400+ posts and shows no signs of stopping. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1472 "2014-01-20T13:44:06Z")
This thread will be dead when we have stopped global warming. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1473 "2014-01-20T14:21:41Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > This thread will be dead when we have stopped global warming. So, you do admit that it’s real and something that needs to be stopped then? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1474 "2014-01-20T14:24:17Z")
Once more, you are going to have to define what YOU mean by global warming, before I can answer your question. If “global warming” actually is the cause of these brutal winters, then I am totally down with stopping it, even if we have to nuke most of the world to stop fossil fuel use, and of course the dust and smoke from all the nuclear bombs will cause global cooling, which means the winters will warm back up, after the nuclear winter is over of course. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1475 "2014-01-20T14:26:29Z")
A reminder to the poor newcomer who wanders in going “What is this thread all about?”, which would be a mistake of course, run while you can, don’t look back. It’s starts with record cold, and then record cold winters, and all kinds of nasty winter weather, and a trend towards colder winters in the NH, and the idea that this is actually caused by global warming. I fucking hate cold winters, hence the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1476 "2014-01-20T15:20:46Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Wait, does **FXMastermind** seriously still think Climategate was a thing? Holy christ, what the fuck is wrong with him? Is he retarded or something? Hey **FX** , maybe you can help me out here? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1477 "2014-01-20T15:21:48Z")
You know how to keep a moron in suspense? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1478 "2014-01-20T15:24:35Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > “Climategate Denier” … I like the sound of that … what do I have to believe to get that label? Another thing to do, is act all smart and dismissive of anything you don’t agree with, and appeal to the imagined “crowd” out there, rather than try to discuss anything. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Wait, does **FXMastermind** seriously still think Climategate was a thing? Holy christ, what the fuck is wrong with him? Is he retarded or something? You see? Use the rhetorical device of asking questions (JAQing off) and act all surprised, like you can’t believe anyone you disagree with could be serious. That’s how to get your climategate denier cred. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1479 "2014-01-20T15:30:34Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > This thread will be dead when we have stopped global warming. > [@Eutychus](#): > > So, you do admit that it’s real and something that needs to be stopped then? 😃 Nah, it’s actually a deeply beautiful koan of sorts. Since GW does not exist, it cannot be stopped, and the thread will never be dead. But because GW does not exist, it cannot be said to have started in the first place, and so the thread cannot be said ever to have lived. It, and we, are all caught in a non-state of suspended, almost Schrödinger-esque simultaneous being and non-being, between “infinite” and “never was.” I’ve already taken care of submitting **FXM** for a MacArthur. . ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1480 "2014-01-20T15:32:29Z")
Oh, and also there was some other stuff. > [@RaftPeople](#): > > Bottom line: FX’s position appears to be “climate scientists have predicted things related to global warming that have turned out to be incorrect and the conclusion is that they really aren’t sure what exactly is happening yet” It’s more like “the models were completely wrong” in regards to some things. This has become obvious. The fact that the sun did this completely unexpected thing is really messing with the models, as well as the absurd claim of the warmist that the sun has nothing to do with current climate change. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=75)