# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1641 "2014-01-30T19:18:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > So **FX is** not just an anti-science lunatic, but thinks “_I know you are, but what am I_?” is the most sophisticated of comedy? That …well, that seems about right, actually. That’s “anti-science lunatic, bitch!” to you, mister. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1642 "2014-01-30T19:20:15Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I find a gentle reminder of the posted rules more civil than hitting the report button. I always feel like a goddamn narc if I report anything. “Narcing” is, in fact, _exactly_ what the mods say they want you to do. But then, you knew reporting my post wouldn’t likely get you very far. So it was just posting to get a rise out of me, as all junior modding really is. So some sort of…goblining, if you will. No, wait, … gnoming? Ogreing? Tip of my tongue… ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1643 "2014-01-30T19:54:10Z")
> [@andros](#): > > That’s “anti-science lunatic, bitch!” to you, mister. You know this is seriously cutting into my reputation as a paid shill for the fossil fuel industry. Who can, by the way, suck my balls. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1644 "2014-01-30T19:55:33Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > “Narcing” is, in fact, _exactly_ what the mods say they want you to do. Telling me what the Mods want me to do, that is like, umm, I don’t know, you are acting like a Mod. I bet there is a catchy name for that. When you act like a Mod … but you are not a Mod ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1645 "2014-01-30T20:00:43Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Telling me what the Mods want me to do, that is like, umm, I don’t know, you are acting like a Mod. No, I’m telling you what _the mods said_ they want you to do. I’m not telling you to do it, just passing on the info. Since you seemingly had your head up your own ass every time they’ve asked us to pretty-please just report posts. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1646 "2014-01-30T20:11:26Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, I’m telling you what _the mods said_ they want you to do. Oh, it’s like if you were quoting from the rules the Mods wrote for us! Like I did! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1647 "2014-01-30T20:13:03Z")
I can’t help it. Every time I see the name MrDibble I chuckle. Because I misread it as Mr Dribble. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1648 "2014-01-30T20:17:20Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oh, it’s like if you were quoting from the rules the Mods wrote for us! Like I did! Nope - not quoting any rules at all. Just telling you what the mods said they prefer. Not telling you to do it. Wouldn’t want to turn you into a “narc”:rolleyes: > [@](#): > > I can’t help it. Every time I see the name MrDibble I chuckle. Because I misread it as Mr Dribble. You read usernames about as well as you read science papers, then. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1649 "2014-01-30T20:20:41Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Every time I see the name MrDibble I chuckle. Because I misread it as Mr Dribble. An easy mistake, **FXMasterbater**. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1650 "2014-01-30T20:26:47Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You know this is seriously cutting into my reputation as a paid shill for the fossil fuel industry. Is there any evidence that there even **are** any (secret) paid shills for the fossil fuel industry? It seems very unlikely to me. I know that [there’s a fair bit of fossil-fuel funding for organizations and pundits/researchers that avowedly deny or disparage AGW hypotheses](http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/), but I find it hard to believe that any anonymous individuals are getting paid actual money to put on their denialist batsuits and roam the internet seeking to troll science. When anonymous individuals get paid actual money to shill for something, as in [social media mercenary campaigns](http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2012/02/20/social-media-mercenary) or various focus-group/viral marketing strategies, there’s generally some evidence or information about it that filters through in popular media. It doesn’t seem plausible that a cadre of undercover climate-denial mercenaries would operate in complete secrecy with nobody spilling the beans or leaving a paper trail. No, I suspect that all the ill-informed anti-science blather we see from anonymous/pseudonymous individuals online is a self-sustaining, strictly volunteer phenomenon. A lot of people just like to feel that their cynical wisdom and/or clear-eyed skepticism gives them exceptional insight even into subjects whose technical content they don’t understand at all. So they pick up a few superficial talking points from denialist popularizations and gleefully broadcast them around the internet, just for the pleasure of feeling superior to all the “sheeple” who are “dumb” enough to take the findings of research scientists seriously. Why should anybody pay them for what they’re perfectly willing to do for free? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1651 "2014-01-30T20:30:18Z")
Useful idiots, if you will. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1652 "2014-01-30T20:39:51Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > It doesn’t seem plausible that a cadre of undercover climate-denial mercenaries would operate in complete secrecy with nobody spilling the beans or leaving a paper trail. It doesn’t seem plausible that any super wealthy person or company would spend any money at all paying anyone to post in the Pit. And yet right here in this darn thread we see people discussing it like it’s a fact. > [@Kimstu](#): > > So they pick up a few superficial talking points from denialist popularizations and gleefully broadcast them around the internet, just for the pleasure of feeling superior to all the “sheeple” who are “dumb” enough to take the findings of research scientists seriously. If you ever see me using **talking points from denialist popularizations** please bitch slap me. I hate them denialist popularizations even more than I hate the fossil fuel companies. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1653 "2014-01-30T20:45:18Z")
Fox News has in the past made its staffers work as sockpuppets on various websites: [http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/20/fox-news-reportedly-used-fake-commenter-account/196509](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/20/fox-news-reportedly-used-fake-commenter-account/196509) But you knew that. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1654 "2014-01-30T20:58:08Z")
No, I did not. But that is far different than simply paying some idiot to post on message boards to pimp your business or ideals. Fuck, I wish somebody would pay me to type out stupid shit. I could be a goddamn billionaire. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1655 "2014-01-30T20:59:26Z")
> **[Fox News Reportedly Used Fake Commenter Accounts To Rebut Critical Blog Posts](https://www.mediamatters.org/fake-news/fox-news-reportedly-used-fake-commenter-accounts-rebut-critical-blog-posts)** That reminds me of the fake Wikipedia accounts used to constantly try to slant articles there. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1656 "2014-01-30T21:14:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Fuck, I wish somebody would pay me to type out stupid shit. I could be a goddamn billionaire. Honest self-assessment is a beautiful thing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1657 "2014-01-30T21:48:48Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Fox News has in the past made its staffers work as sockpuppets on various websites: [Fox News Reportedly Used Fake Commenter Accounts To Rebut Critical Blog Posts | Media Matters for America](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/20/fox-news-reportedly-used-fake-commenter-account/196509) Yabbut, that’s **one employer** requiring **its own salaried employees** to spam their corporate message on the interwebs. That seems much more practically feasible (if not much more honest or intelligent) than a whole industry’s PR machine recruiting random keyboard warriors to shill for a particular anti-science viewpoint. It also seems like it would be easier to keep that sort of in-house setup a secret, at least temporarily. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1658 "2014-01-30T22:56:58Z")
> [@andros](#): > > That’s “anti-science lunatic, bitch!” to you, mister. As in, “anti-science lunatic, bitch, stupid person, et cetera”? ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1659 "2014-01-31T00:40:24Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Fuck, I wish somebody would pay me to type out stupid shit. I could be a goddamn billionaire. Without changing a thing. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1660 "2014-01-31T14:30:21Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I think you missed **wolfpup** ’s point. “Water vapor is a feedback” doesn’t mean that that’s how water vapor is **defined** , it means that water vapor acts as a feedback mechanism in greenhouse-gas-caused atmospheric heating. That statement wasn’t directed at **wolfpup** , rather those who repeat him without understanding. Water is **THE** mechanic for atmospheric warming in one hell of a lot more than just Greenhouse Effect. My argument has always been that carbon dioxide is secondary at best as a mechanic accelerated by men-folk. This is based on the [ice core data](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg) as it demonstrates a sharp increase in carbon dioxide at about 130,000 years ago, clearly when human-kind had NO contribution. We have to know why that happened, or anything we say about burning fossil fuel’s contribution is speculative. > [@Kimstu](#): > > But the routine physics concept of water vapor feedback doesn’t violate this or any other principle of thermodynamics. What makes you think it does? > > As I said in my previous post, I’m baffled why anti-science types are picking on this very unremarkable bit of climate science to make a fuss about on the internet. The routine physics concept of carbon dioxide feedback _does_ violate this principle of thermodynamics. It just doesn’t transfer near enough of the total energy, about 26% is all. If you want to focus on carbon dioxide, you still have to state where the other 74% of the total energy is … or you’re violating the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. An engineer posted a correction to my claims of violating the 2nd Law, opps, my bad. I wonder about your understanding of science in the general sense, how is questioning a scientific claim “anti-science”. Dude, this is _required_ for proper scientific discourse, or do you think anything published is peer review publications is indisputable? Water’s feedback mechanism is pervasive in ALL understanding of basic meteorology, and it is the very first thing taught to the student. At 2.1 J/g, we have a pretty good chunk of energy moving around in the water vapor, and it cannot be ignored in any of the various cases. An understanding of either climate studies and dynamics requires competence in this feedback, hardly unremarkable. **Gigo** Close, but no cigar … a Joule is the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of one gram of air one degree Kelvin. There’s other ways to define this value, but in this context, we don’t need to throw out that integral. We’re dealing with average values, not instantaneous values. My point I’m trying to make is some of us accept **your** statements as being given in **good faith** … and thank you for including the link to back up your statements … but **PLEASE** stop with the extended quotes … we can follow the link ourselves if we dispute you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=82) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440.md?page=84)