# I'm sick of this Global Warming! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1841 "2014-02-11T00:16:45Z")
> [@For You](#): > > Fine, what are driving these perturbations? Venus? Mars? Jupiter? To what extent? Indeed, although Jupiter’s gravity would not cause earthquakes or volcanoes, it does provide a slight nudge to our orbit, and over ten’s of millions of orbits can produce a significant change in climate. Another more important factor is that the Earth is not a perfect sphere, it’s center of gravity wobbles over the 24 hour cycle as well as the moon’s 28 point something day cycle. As to extent, welllll, that involves the n-body gravity solution … something that’s never been solved in the classical universe. The sun is burning hotter, on average, as time passes. It’s certainly important to consider if we’re speaking to climate change over billions of years. I think that’s safely ignored if we’re sticking to the short time period of the post-Cambrian ‘era’. Far more important to climate of the past 100,000,000 years is the sun’s irregular and unpredictable output. > [@For You](#): > > Climate change remediation is about more than dealing with fossil fuel use. Deforestation is another important concern, because forests tend to provide considerable carbon-sinkage. Ultimately, the things we should do to curb a growing greenhouse effect are the same things we ought to be doing anyway if we want to maintain a livable biosphere. If and when we get these “climate change alarmists” to focus on mitigation efforts, they get our full cooperation. Here’s the rub, we want all these efforts to be put in place right now, but OUR reasons have nothing to do with global warming … and that so angers the alarmists so bad as to bring about **an entire Pit thread** just to condemn one of us. … and they call us ignorant … * * * I’m sorry, we just suffered an ice storm that killed a few people … with global warming this won’t happen … maybe I’m just a softie, but if ice causes needless human suffering, I say be rid of it … belch that CO[sub]2[/sub], cook the arctic wastelands … global warming is a good thing, we’re at the dawn of a new era of prosperity blah blah blah ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1842 "2014-02-11T18:23:29Z")
[Nature can, selectively, buffer human-caused global warming, say scientists](http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140202111055.htm) > **[GWetal13.pdf](https://earth.huji.ac.il/data/File/chaimg/GWetal13.pdf)** [Global cooling since 2001](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1112&year1=2001&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) [Winter trend, cooling since 2001](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=2001&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) [February cooling since 2001](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=02&year1=2001&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=rob) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1843 "2014-02-11T22:09:56Z")
2006 > [@](#): > > **The vast loop of winds that drives climate and ocean behavior across the tropical Pacific has weakened by 3.5% since the mid-1800s, and it may weaken another 10% by 2100** , according to a study led by University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR) scientist Gabriel Vecchi. The study indicates that **the only plausible explanation for the slowdown is human-induced climate change**. The findings appear in the May 4 issue of Nature. 2014 > [@](#): > > Global warming ‘pause’ due to unusual trade winds in Pacific ocean, study finds > **Study shows sharply accelerating trade winds** have buried surface heat underwater, reducing heat flowing into atmosphere > **[Global warming 'pause' due to unusual trade winds in Pacific ocean, study finds](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/09/global-warming-pause-trade-winds-pacific-ocean-study)** > > Study shows sharply accelerating trade winds have buried surface heat underwater, reducing heat flowing into atmosphere Priceless ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1844 "2014-02-12T13:16:46Z")
I never did get to explain my Hypothesis III, but here’s the cite: [Cite](http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.energy.25.1.441?journalCode=energy.2) “Water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas, the most important gaseous source of infrared opacity in the atmosphere.” There’s a kick in the nuts to the liberal/hippie/commie carbon dioxidists. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1845 "2014-02-12T18:58:45Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I never did get to explain my Hypothesis III, but here’s the cite: [Cite](http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.energy.25.1.441?journalCode=energy.2) > > “Water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas, the most important gaseous source of infrared opacity in the atmosphere.” > > There’s a kick in the nuts to the liberal/hippie/commie carbon dioxidists. I’m not sure how that’s a “kick in the nuts.” Can you explain further, particularly in context of the remainder of your citation’s abstract? > [@](#): > > To the extent that water vapor concentrations increase in a warmer world, the climatic effects of the other greenhouse gases will be amplified. Models of the Earth’s climate indicate that this is an important positive feedback that increases the sensitivity of surface temperatures to carbon dioxide by nearly a factor of two when considered in isolation from other feedbacks, and possibly by as much as a factor of three or more when interactions with other feedbacks are considered. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1846 "2014-02-12T20:40:54Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I’m not sure how that’s a “kick in the nuts.” Can you explain further, particularly in context of the remainder of your citation’s abstract? Read just a little further: > [@](#): > > Our uncertainty concerning climate sensitivity is disturbing. Those who claim to _be_ certain about CO[sub]2[/sub] sensitivity, please spread your legs a little further apart … ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1847 "2014-02-12T23:28:38Z")
So…it’s a kick in the nuts only to those who believe the science is settled? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1848 "2014-02-13T00:38:07Z")
> [@andros](#): > > So…it’s a kick in the nuts only to those who believe the science is settled? Exactly. Researching whether 400 ppm CO[sub]2[/sub] in the atmosphere is really important, but we don’t know if it’s a problem yet, shame on anyone who says it is. Almost all the mitigation efforts proposed to curb CO[sub]2[/sub] emissions also curbs a lot of other nasty pollutants that we KNOW are a problem. This post brought to you by electricity produced by strictly wind power, you’re welcome. Oh, sorry about those huge piles of bird carcasses. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1849 "2014-02-13T17:20:08Z")
All the following quote posts are from other topics, some locked, most too old to post in with out getting hammered by a Mod (who, in case you are new, pretty much despise anything … wait, I can’t say that here … wait, yes I can, they seem to despise my activating any old thread), so anyhow, the following are from other topics. So don’t bitch about it. If I could fucking respond in the topic I would. Bitches. In regards to “Climategate”, from the other bitch about topic. > [@ClimateGate 2.0? Are you fucking kidding me?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climategate-2-0-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/604243/363): > > You don’t even understand what your own side is saying, let alone what the other side is saying. Anyway, I have spent hours and hours reading articles, blog posts, and IPCC reports on the warmist side of the debate. Because I actually care about learning the truth. > … > These are very simple questions. I apologize if you answered them and I missed your answers. Nobody ever answered the questions, and the topic ended with a sad little GIGO post, which nobody bothered to respond to. Which is pretty common here. If you won’t answer real questions about your favorite topic, then fuck you. While unrelated to todays search, I thought this was fucking hilarious. > [@The Next 20 Years of Life on Earth: Runaway Global Heating.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-20-years-of-life-on-earth-runaway-global-heating/523675/128): > > Or we could just build a bunch of nuclear reactors and live nicely. But that would be too easy a solution for the big cause to save the planet. Hahahahaha, “and live nicely”, cause nothing says safety and security like 20,000 nuclear reactors. Which would run out of fuel in less than a year. (with the current 400 working reactors we have less than a hundred years of affordable fuel, YMMV) We being the entire world. From yet another global warming will kill us all topic. > [@The Next 20 Years of Life on Earth: Runaway Global Heating.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-20-years-of-life-on-earth-runaway-global-heating/523675/132): > > Yes, but these Asian glaciers are the primary source for rivers such as the Indus, Ganges, Brahmaputra, Mekong, etc, that billions of people rely on for irrigation and drinking. A bit different than losing the snows of Kilimanjaro. That was one of the biggest clusterfucks, and a big reason to become skeptical of all claims about global doom. Fucking idiots at the IPCC. Of course the doomsters want to handwave it away, of course, because they are fuckheads who can’t ever admiy making a single goddamn mistake. Meanwhile > [@The Next 20 Years of Life on Earth: Runaway Global Heating.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-next-20-years-of-life-on-earth-runaway-global-heating/523675/135): > > Climate researchers look at more than 15 (researchers also mention up to 20) years of yearly data to establish trends. > > [http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/how-long/#more-2124](http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/how-long/#more-2124) Which is why I make sure to include both the 25, 20, and 12 year trends when I link to actrual fucking hard data. It doesn’t matter. The blank stare of the ifiot doomsters greets one with silent idiocy. > [@Thousands of Scientists are Skeptical of Global Warming](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-scientists-are-skeptical-of-global-warming/533118/12): > > Yes really, all you have are lies, If you don’t know the context (you can follow the link if you actually give a shit) you might think that was a response to climate data. In this case, it was to GIGO, which is no surprise. > [@Do global warming "skeptics" honestly see us as a benign species?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-global-warming-skeptics-honestly-see-us-as-a-benign-species/677984/453): > > What it is clear to me is that you are also wrong in assuming that I’m also an alarmist. . No you dumb as fuck complete waste of time, and someday you might realize that just because you say something, that doesn’t just make it true. The really weird thing? I sympathize with anyone concerned about the planet, and support clean fuels, conservation and getting rid of air pollution. I’m all about planting trees and not fucking up the planet. Always have been. But the “attitude” of the idiot greens has turned me into a venom spewing rat bastard when I hear their idiot claims. It’s fucked up. It makes me sick. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1850 "2014-02-13T20:34:51Z")
[The ultimate guide to shutting down climate trolls.](http://www.salon.com/2014/02/13/the_ultimate_guide_to_debunking_blizzard_based_climate_change_denial/) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1851 "2014-02-13T20:49:22Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The really weird thing? I sympathize with anyone concerned about the planet, and support clean fuels, conservation and getting rid of air pollution. I’m all about planting trees and not fucking up the planet. Always have been. But the “attitude” of the idiot greens has turned me into a venom spewing rat bastard when I hear their idiot claims. It’s fucked up. It makes me sick. I’ve made this exact same point. But no, it’s not enough. You must get religion. Until you do, you are one of _them_. :eek: Hey, GIGO, can I get an AMEN? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1852 "2014-02-13T21:03:07Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [The ultimate guide to shutting down climate trolls.](http://www.salon.com/2014/02/13/the_ultimate_guide_to_debunking_blizzard_based_climate_change_denial/) > [@](#): > > The Southern U.S. has been paralyzed by a historic ice storm, and the Northeast is well on its way to another foot-plus of snow. If all that wasn’t bad enough, the climate trolls are coming out. Which means a flurry of stories where the doomsters ACTUALLY WILL SAY THIS IS BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING. You can bet money on it. The irony of it all. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1853 "2014-02-13T21:05:18Z")
Yep. As a snow storm beared down on the east coast on Thursday, CBS This Morning sought to lay blame on global warming, with the headline on screen fretting: “Extreme Weather; Are These Kinds of Storms, Droughts Unprecedented?” Co-host Charlie Rose turned New York City College physics professor Michio Kaku and wondered: “What’s causing all this?” Kaku proclaimed: “Well, the wacky weather could get even wackier. What we’re seeing is that the jet stream and the polar vortex are becoming unstable. Instability of historic proportions. We think it’s because of the gradual heating up of the North Pole. The North Pole is melting.” Rose interjected: “Global warming.” > [@](#): > > Controversy and cold weather > Despite criticism from radicals, global climate change is a direct cause of the polar vortex [Controversy and cold weather | Silver Chips Online](http://silverchips.mbhs.edu/story/12367) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1854 "2014-02-13T21:33:35Z")
Remember the “explanition” that a warm arctic has “caused” weak jet streams and that is why the polar vortex (and cold air) has “caused” the bad winters? It “allows” the cold to get out of the arctic. Global warming. The MET just released this (because Britain is getting gang fucked by the weather right now) > [@](#): > > The North Atlantic jet stream has also been unusually strong; this can be linked to exceptional wind patterns in the stratosphere with a very intense polar vortex. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1855 "2014-02-13T21:40:44Z")
Alaska is having its warmest winter in decades. Warmer than normal winters are happening in more places than colder than normal winters. Colder winters in Atlanta doesn’t contradict global warming. Ask a fourth grader to explain averages to you. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1856 "2014-02-13T22:28:56Z")
We don’t often get 18" of rain in four days, but it’s still completely normal. Atlanta doesn’t often get snow, but it’s as normal as Sochi having 60ºF days in February. 175 mph winds in South Florida is extreme, but completely normal, happens on a regular basis. Pyroclastic flows in Seattle happen, it’s normal. The track of [Hurricane Sandy](http://www.weather.gov/okx/HurricaneSandy) was crazy … crazier still was how well the forecast models predicted it … **five damn days in advance** … if the numerical models predicted it, it must be normal. Extreme doesn’t mean abnormal in all cases. Just because something hasn’t happened in the past 150 years doesn’t make it unusual. That meteor impact 65 million years ago is as normal as normal can be. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1857 "2014-02-13T22:33:17Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Alaska is having its warmest winter in decades. [trends matter more than anomalies](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=1203&year1=2002&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=pol) “No they don’t you science denier!” Yes, yes they do. [Like the January trend](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=2002&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=pol) You can even see the little purple square in Alaska. Of course it doesn’t matter to a fuckhead, who wants any warm winter to be all that matters. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1858 "2014-02-13T22:46:15Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Yes, yes they do. [Like the January trend](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=2002&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=pol) > > You can even see the little purple square in Alaska. Of course it doesn’t matter to a fuckhead, who wants any warm winter to be all that matters. “Oh fuck you FX, cherry picking a time period to show colder Januaries for Alaska. Why not show [the trend since 1980](http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=3&type=trends&mean_gen=01&year1=1980&year2=2013&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=pol)? Oh shit. Nevermind” ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1859 "2014-02-14T00:12:30Z")
Did you just tell FX to fuck off? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1860 "2014-02-14T00:43:17Z")
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