# I'm sick of this Global Warming!

**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 16, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440 "2013-08-16T18:57:18Z")
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### Author: ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)
#### Post date: [December 11, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sick-of-this-global-warming/666440/1072 "2013-12-11T00:48:20Z")

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> [@RaftPeople](#):
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> I’ve had lots of good discussions in the Pit.
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> I view it as a place where it’s ok to call names but it isn’t required and good discussions are still allowed.

Yep. In fact, it’s about the only sub forum here that enjoys a modicum of intellectual freedom over contentious issues. Or at least can support along running debate. Every last one of the global warming topics elsewhere here, they just sort of fade out. Or something. Here’s some stuff from earlier this year.

> [@At what point will the Global Warming Debate be resolved?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/at-what-point-will-the-global-warming-debate-be-resolved/653473/14):
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> And we are just in the middle of the longest winter in living memory. We just had a frigging snowstorm in late March. Where’s the goddamn global warming they’ve been promising us for years?

Isn’t that interesting? People really notice when the winters are shitty. But the media hardly comments on record cold and snow. It’s really obvious when you start checking.

> [@At what point will the Global Warming Debate be resolved?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/at-what-point-will-the-global-warming-debate-be-resolved/653473/35):
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> OK, hypothetically-what would happen if global temperatures begin to decline? And not for a few years- suppose a trend begins, and continues for decades? Would this be attributed to “climate change”-or would the fundamental hypothesis be questioned?

Interesting, since I introduced a decades long trend for boreal winter cooling. And indeed we are actually seeing a global trend since 2002 as well. And the answer is already known. It will be declared ALSO DUE TO GLOBAL WARMING.

> [@At what point will the Global Warming Debate be resolved?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/at-what-point-will-the-global-warming-debate-be-resolved/653473/39):
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> What bugs ME is the warmists insistence that skeptics can only be motivated by oil money, evil , or ignorance.

Yep. that used to bug me too. But then I realized those people are fucking morons. I know I’m borrowing responses from another topic, but face it, I’m not seeing much response to all my science type stuff. I like this **Ají de Gallina** fellows post.

> [@At what point will the Global Warming Debate be resolved?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/at-what-point-will-the-global-warming-debate-be-resolved/653473/51):
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> I’ll go point by point but I won’t go on a lot after that. My position on AGW is clear. My points are in red.
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> - A dramatic rise in sea level. Global warming will cause a continuing sea level rise of an uncertain amount. The IPCC reports a range of 9 – 88 cm (3.5 – 34.6 inches) up to 2100, but further contributions are possible from glacier and ice sheet discharge from Greenland and Antarctica. This small rise would cause significant disruption to coastal communities. If the whole Greenland ice sheet melted this would lead to a global rise of 7 m (23 ft). Sea level rise has not changed in the last 200 years. The melting of the whole Greenland ice sheet is impossible
> - More active weather systems. More energy in the atmosphere will lead to more active weather systems, with more frequent and more violent storms. If the last 100 years are any proof, it is false. aggregated cyclone enegry has been flat for decades.
> - Disturbed rainfall patterns. Rainfall patterns will be significantly disrupted, with floods in some places and droughts in others. No evidence of major rain pattern changes in the last 100 years
> - Acidification of the oceans. Carbon dioxide dissolves in water by reacting to make H2CO3 - carbonic acid, causing great damage to fish stocks and coral reefs. Note this is not a consequence of warming: it is a consequence of the forcing agent, CO2. To make matters worse, this acidification appears to have been an important factor in the Permian-Triassic Extinction Event — the most severe extinction Earth has ever known — and possibly every extinction other than the Cretaceous.[14] No important effect have been shown so far.
> - Tipping points/feedback loops. Multiple possibilities here. As glaciers disappear, the planet will not reflect as much solar radiation back into space, leading to more warming. When northern permafrost melts, the organic material will decompose and release methane, again leading to more warming. As the oceans warm, their ability to dissolve carbon dioxide decreases, and if ever reach a certain temperature, the methane stored under pressure on the seafloor will vaporize, leading to (you guessed it) more warming. tpping points cannot exist in any reasonable temp rise. temperatures and CO2 have been higher and no tipping point was reached.
> - Spread of tropical diseases. As northern latitudes become warmer, vectors that spread tropical diseases (such as mosquitoes or other organisms) will begin to encroach into new areas. Even with the last 100 years of warming this hasn’t been shown to be true.
> - Disruption of ocean currents. For example, the disruption of ocean currents could reduce the strength of the North Atlantic Drift that keeps Europe relatively warm for its latitude. “Could”, c’mon, they can do better than that. The drift is due mostly to the earths rotation. Salt concentration differences are minor.
> - Habitat loss or change faster than plants or animals can adapt. Mechanism such as species migration or changes in ecosystem boundaries often are slow, and in some cases could be slower than the speed of climate change. Some habitats may disappear completely: the loss of polar habitats will leave animals such as polar bears with no place to go. Polar bears have at least quadrupled their numbers in the last 40 years.
> - Loss of mountain glaciers and snowpack exacerbating summer droughts. Glaciers and snowpack act as natural reservoirs, for example releasing water that had fallen as snow several months later when summer arrives and snow melts. The loss of this natural storage mechanism will lead to floods in winter and droughts in the summer. This hasn’t been shown to be true. More temprerature could also mean more rain is deposited in glaciers.
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> Not all of these consequences are certain, and some may be mitigated. For example, whilst global warming might tend to promote the spread of tropical diseases, advances in medicine or control measures (insect spraying, swamp draining) could well counteract this, as has already happened during the industrial era for a number of previously common diseases.
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> Equally though, there will probably be many unanticipated additional — probably negative — consequences. Or maybe longer growing seasons will increase production

The rain/snow issue is huge. I mean, HUGE in giant red fonts and shit like that. Climate ain’t just temperature. In fact, because temperatures in so many climates vary a lot each year, rain, or rather precipitation can be far more important for climate.

And we know full well rainfall patterns have changed drastically in both human history, and in fairly recent history. The giant trees of California and the western US hold a clear record of that. No guesswork about that at all. None. No doubts.

We have a very good record of rainfall (moisture levels) for the western US and Pacific coast for thousands of years in the past.

But please, by all means, return to your vile testimony about body parts and how much you loath one another, for but words alone.

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