You know, turning a pit topic into the never ending argument over climate change will be the death of it. Just like what happens to EVERY OTHER GLOBAL WARMING TOPIC!
Then where will people bitch about how much they hate global warming? What then?
Oh haha you Florida hater you. Guess what? 20,000 years ago, when the great ice age ice sheets were melting away, the sea level was 120 meters lower than now. That’s like 393.701 feet lower than now. So most of Florida is already underwater. Yeah, that’s right.
But guess what else? Between 4 to 6 thousand years ago (B.P.) the sea level was 3 meters higher than now. And Florida was still there. In fact, the raised beaches (from the higher sea level) worldwide are there in Florida. (the raised beaches are a main reason why we scientists know the sea level was higher) So even if the sea level rose 3 meters Florida will still be there.
Going to fuck up the real estate pretty bad. But the ocean would have to rise like 30 meters to rid the world of Florida. Goddamn it global warming, get to work. We are going to need to melt all of Greenland to destroy Florida. And that hasn’t happened in millions of years.
Don’t expect an answer, much less a discussion. This is GIGO light version 1.2
No, that is an online blog post, under the Gaurdian website, it was not published in the paper.
Those are all pro warming blogs, repeating the original blog points.
The citation is Browse Articles | Nature Climate Change which is ripped to shreds in other blogs. (this is called science by blog) It’s an incredible feat to go back, after all the models were wrong, and cherry pick and adjust some of them. then declare the models were right.
What? No problem. Just handwave it all away.
Isn’t that just amazing? It’s like a message board, where just saying something makes it true.
“they represent only one realization where the decadal natural variability component of the model climate is generally not in phase with observations.”
The only thing that will “prove” the consensus models wrong is a 60 year cooling period. If the next 42 years are also flat or cooling, then the models might be considered wrong. But, the models would be changed long before that happens (some of them already have been adjusted) so even then they won’t be wrong.
I’m not kidding, it’s how science works. Science is never wrong, because once it’s impossible to deny that the current understanding is “incorrect”, the theory/model is changed, and now it’s right. You see? Just like this latest paper. The models weren’t “wrong”, they just had to be adjusted to match the evidence. Now they aren’t wrong.
This exact same thing actually happened, with the solar cycle. In 2005 the consensus was that the next maximum would be huge, a grand maximum, a very strong solar cycle, sunspots and CMEs and flares like most had never seen before.
But you won’t find anyone saying they were wrong. The model was “flawed”, and since then it’s been adjusted, and it actually predicted the solar minimum. That’s how big time science works. Same for when a flu vaccine missed the seasonal variation, and was worthless at protecting from the actual flu that year. They just guessed wrong about the strain, and it doesn’t mean the vaccines were wrong. These things happen you know. It’s not an exact science. It doesn’t mean anyone was wrong and a shit ton of money and time and energy was wasted.
So climate models will never be “wrong”. People who talk like that don’t understand science and are stupid and probably believe the earth is flat.
Now to me, the entire thing is incredibly humorous. Because my theory and findings actually explain everything perfectly, and everybody else is wrong in their measures to still be right. The desperate and sometimes petty fights over the data and the models and even the cause is just spin and drama.
Looking at the data tells the story, and anybody can do it. The problem is, the bias and vested interest and emotional attachment to being ‘right’ prevents most people from seeing what is obvious.
And that is high comedy my friend. That’s gold Jerry, that’s gold.
Yes, older models go down the memory hole. The classic example is Hansen’s predictions from the 1980s. It turns out he wildly over-predicted warming. Any rational person would concede that this is evidence his theories are wrong. But that’s not what happens.
It’s not just that the warmists are never wrong – they go further than that. According to them, there is not even any evidence that they are wrong.
Hold on a second … buck-o … I don’t mind you calling climatologists a bunch of high-minded morons … but you drag Solar Astronomers into the mix then you better be able to back-up your words. I’d like to see your citation for any “consensus” of solar astronomers that this sunspot maxima what predicted to be “huge”. I’d like to see a citation where solar astronomers claim their models are accurate. I understand they said their inaccurate models predicted that we’d be at maximum, there’s nothing in the data that said it would be huge, just within a standard deviation. Not sure what you mean by models, they just looked at the graph and said “Looks like solar maxima is coming up again”.
Good call, because some of it was indeed rhetorical bullshit, the part about “models” predicting and being changed after the fact. The predictions were based on observation, not computer models. Here’s a source of what was being said back in 2005.
Note that Hathaway’s prediction for the next cycle (2022) is actually pretty close to the current one. Of course Abdussamatov predicted the current situation, but since he is also claiming a long term grand minimum, along with a little ice age, most people still consider him a crank. Even when he was spot on for the last winter. And the three winters before that. And that he says the global average is dropping.
Nobody wants to hear that from a leading solar researcher.
That’s one of the things that makes it all so sick. Because of the battle lines drawn, and the rhetoric and political posturing, the economic issues, the science is fucked. Nobody wants to admit anything, because the other side will declare victory (or so they imagine), so the entire thing (the weather, the climates) is a matter of great conflict, instead of science.
Damn, that is 16 degrees F above freezing. In the middle of summer. Of course it’s just unusual weather. If it was record heat, then it would be climate change. But another summer with record lows, it’s just weather.
If it starts happening most summers, then it will be blamed on global warming. Like the epic cold winters. At first it was all like, “there will still be the occasional cold winter, global warming doesn’t mean it won’t still get cold now and then”. And saying a record cold winter, with record snow, somehow meant global warming wasn’t happening, that was just stupid.
Until it kept happening, Then cold NH winters, with a lot of snow, that became possible evidence for global warming. So don’t laugh. Record cold in summers could actually be the next sign of global warming.
I’m impressed, a half century of temperature trends is enough to void millions of years of ice core data, billions of years of O[sup]18[/sup] proxy data.
I guess some people don’t know what “temperature” is.
It works better if you use the term “fuckstick”, then you sound like a CNN reporter.
That might have been a bad choice to use. The last two days in LA were unusually cool. And the short term trend there shows no summer cooling. Which I found surprising. At least the winter trend shows some warming.
Certainly the long term trend shows warming there. The data since 2000, now that is another story. It illustrates quite well the very strange change that occurred, which also shows up in the global trend.
Even GISS, which used to always show the most warming (they do not use any satellite data), shows no annual global warming since 2002. Anybody who has been keeping up just knows what is coming next.