To be fair, though, we HAVE been laughing in his face about it.
No, I didn’t say anything like that. In fact, what I typed out is still right there.
It’s more like the mechanic says, “You have been putting a little more antifreeze in and the increase is causing your engine to run hotter. This will cause the oil to get hotter, which will cause the engine to run hotter, leading to the radiator not working right, and your engine is going to get so hot it will be destroyed. The only answer is to buy a different car. One that runs on solar power. Or stop driving.”
What?
“Or, you could pay me a lot of money and I will buy somebody in another country a car that runs on sunlight and cow farts, and then you can keep driving this car”.
Seriously?
That’s your diagnosis?
I didn’t think anyone would respond to my erudite and easy to understand post.
Why do you think it’s so hard to simply link to the physics of CO2 enhanced greenhouse effect science? Why was GIGO, of all people, unable to link to a single page that lays out, in both the essence, as well as the physics, the theory of global warming?
Why do do few people (who never ever stop posting about it) not actually understand the physics of greenhouse gas warming? Much less the reasons for the predictions about what we should see from CO2 forced global warming?
The UN and a lot of other bodies have spent a lot of money on this. And there isn’t a single page on the internet that explains the most basic thing?
Why is that?
(it’s a rhetorical question)
Long post with links and reasoning and a clear statement, about both theory, predictions and observations. Chock full of science.
The idiocy that we see in response.
Note that the link does not contain any definition, description or anything really about the theory. Just like skepticwiki does not, and Wikipedia does not, it’s like some insane clown house.
Yeah, but since there isn’t a fucking web page that explains it, I can understand why they are so fucking ignorant.
I’m wavering between:
- “Cite please.”
and
- “Well, when you’ve had only one such post in the thread, it’s understandable it might get overlooked.”
Your choice.
I laugh when I read stupid trolls in this thread. They always jump in with nothing but an insult, and always ignore any science. (and they actually think they are contributing somehow)
Priceless. Like when they see science shit like the following.
http://www.aer.com/news-events/resou...eal-winter-coo
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014007
What the fuck does that mean?
That is common knowledge to climate science. CO2 forced warming absolutely means winter warming, especially in the NH. It’s a key feature of GhG warming. The alarmists doesn’t actually know this. Which is hilarious.
Newspeak for “what happened was completely the opposite of what we expected to see happen”. Winters got worse, not warmer.
In essence, the goddamn colder winters, with much more snow, can’t be ignored any longer. It’s become a real bitch.
In other words, not only did shit go nothing like we expected, but we think it’s actually CAUSED by global warming. And we will tell you why.
The unexpected rapid melting of sea ice, (not predicted either), has led to unexpected early heavy snow, which leads to a feedback effect making it much fucking colder, with more snow, in the NH winters.
It’s the closest you will see to anyone admitting the models were completely wrong about winters, and shit is going down in completely unexpected ways.
GIGOgalloper can’t answer this, because SkS has ignored this. And you won’t find it on Wattsupwiththat either. It’s one reason I fucking hate both sides in the climate wars.
Obviously we are seeing global warming, just not the way it was predicted.
No surprise there.
“Science and Mother Nature are in a marriage where Science is always surprised to come home and find Mother Nature blowing the neighbor.”
What is surprising is how many fuckhead global warmers don’t actually know shit about what they CONSTANTLY preach about.
“We argue that this unforeseen trend is likely not due to internal variability alone.”
That is a crucial point, because if the winters were colder than fuck for only one year out of ten, it’s just goddamn weather. Global warming doesn’t say ALL winters will be warmer. Just the TREND should be towards warmer.
That the TREND is going the other way, and at a global scale now, that is pretty hard to hand wave away.
Doesn’t mean the laws of physics are broken, doesn’t mean CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas, doesn’t even mean warming has reversed, or stopped.
As I pointed out, with abundant evidence, it’s the goddamn colder winter trend that has pulled the global mean down. Summers most places are still trending up. Same for spring, and usually for the fall as well. All trending warmer.
But you add that goddamn winter data, and we actually get an annual global drop. Which is a good reason for not looking at the global annual mean temperature anomaly for your sermons.
No, it’s not the mechanic telling you this, it’s the auto loan officer: i.e., the guy who sets the conditions under which you can own and use a car.
You may not like what the loan officer’s telling you, but that doesn’t mean you get to blame the mechanic for it.
In other words, just because you’re dissatisfied with some of the proposed policies for mitigating climate change doesn’t mean that the science of climate change research is wrong.
Hey, if you don’t want people trolling you, maybe you shouldn’t act like such a stupid dick. Just a suggestion.
Big trolls keep on trolling … trolling
trolling
trolling on the river
Would someone be so kind as to provide me the proper definition of “trolling”? Because it looks to me like fxm is tossing it about in a cavalier, indiscriminate and incongruous way. Or has its meaning broadened to the extent that it simply means “actions of someone who annoys me”?
Lets take a look at some of the worst dick moves so far
yep, that’s acting like a dick alright. You can tell because there were no responses after that.
You know in your heart it is true. Don’t believe it? Go read the important (in regards to this discussion) article by Plass then. here is the entire thing, free of charge. The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climatic Change
Tellus
Volume 8, Issue 2, pages 140–154, May 1956
It was sponsored by the U.S. Office of Naval Research. I know you are ingorant, so go fucking read it before you type another goddamn thing.
(OK now that actually is a dick move there. The nerve. Expecting anyone to put forth actual effort.)
Oh Jeez, here is some more “acting like a dick”.
Yes, asking somebody to actually know what they mean by using a term, that is the essence of a dick. I don’t know why FX isn’t banned yet.
Goddamn right. But we LIKE it that way. If you are specific about things, people will just try and pole holes in your theory.
Haha
“pole holes” should be “poke holes”, but it was funny so I left it be.
Trolling is any post or activity designed to just get a rise out of somebody, or a group of somebodies, that doesn’t contribute in any way.
Like just posting in a thread to be insulting, rather than explain why you are butthurt over something somebody said or did.
Hmm. I think my ears are burning.
I was all about singing your praises, Sparky, but one hallmark of the skilled troll is being able to read one’s target…yanno, in order to really get the knife in and twist it. Alas, you’ve completely whiffed on your last couple tries. I thought you were better than that. 
Given that the OP itself was a troll post, which aided he mods in deciding to drop your thread into the Pit, I would say you have no room to complain.
That’s not what Milutin Milankovitch said. This is what, fourth fifth time you’ve used non-standard definitions. This is how NOAA defines Milankovitch cycles. Read it and weep, no mention of perturbations.
You MUST be a man, because this is exactly what auto mechanics tell women all the time.
My claim is that only complete morons would use AGW as a reason to shut down coal production in it’s entirety, rather than using the coal mine companies dumping of fuming carboxylic acid into our waterways. Ask the people of West Virginia right about now whether AGW should be our main concern.
And one day when the oil barons have all dripped dry
and the nights are seen to draw colder
They’ll beg for your strength, your gentle power
your noble grace and your bearing
And you’ll strain once again to the sound of the gulls
in the wake of the deep plough, sharing.
Fine, what are driving these perturbations? Venus? Mars? Jupiter? To what extent?
You seem to submit that the Earth’s orbit is expanding, which I imagine is probably correct, but bear in mind that the sun is also experiencing solar warming at a denoised steady, gradual rate. Can you show how the expansion rate of the earth’s orbit relates to the increase in solar output? And whether this has a genuine effect that corresponds to the measurements that we have been observing?
Climate change remediation is about more than dealing with fossil fuel use. Deforestation is another important concern, because forests tend to provide considerable carbon-sinkage. Ultimately, the things we should do to curb a growing greenhouse effect are the same things we ought to be doing anyway if we want to maintain a livable biosphere.
Truth.
In other words, we’ve got yet another largely insoluble problem that threatens life as we know it. Sometimes I wish one of these looming disasters would go ahead and happen, just to end the suspense.
I’m always a little disappointed when an asteroid just misses the earth.