# I'm so goddamn tired of dental problems. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 10, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365 "2014-03-10T17:42:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/21 "2014-03-12T14:52:58Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > That website/source may be considered woo, but you can find the actual scientific data online if you really want to know. Then how about you find it and fucking link to it instead of a ‘woo’ site? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/22 "2014-03-12T15:10:10Z")
Because based on decades of this argument, it will not matter at all. The resistance to the very concept is overwhelming. I no longer give a fuck if you or anyone else wants to argue about it. It’s the same for mercury fillings. If you want argue THEY ARE GOOD then have fun. I will not waste a moment on it. The evidence is there, it’s up to you. I’m not going to argue, it’s a complete waste of time. But somewhere out there maybe one person will check, and it will help them be healthy. The people who THINK THEY KNOW are the worst sort of people to try and convince. So suffer bitches, I could give a fuck. My Dentists is one of the new breed, that know from science what is good, and what is not. The rest can go fuck themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/23 "2014-03-12T15:30:35Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > \ > I don’t think I had a whole year free of dental problems during the last 15 years or so. That’s been my experience, too - the only years I went without getting some kind of dental work done were the years when I couldn’t afford to go to the dentist. > [@bump](#): > > \ > The good news, I guess, is that crowns are much less problematic than fillings; they may occasionally pop off, but they can be reglued in many cases. My crowns all ache and are sensitive; they’re apparently not supposed to hurt at all, but I’m lucky to have very sensitive teeth. Yay. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/24 "2014-03-12T15:30:42Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Because based on decades of this argument, it will not matter at all. > > The resistance to the very concept is overwhelming. I no longer give a fuck if you or anyone else wants to argue about it. It’s the same for mercury fillings. If you want argue THEY ARE GOOD then have fun. I will not waste a moment on it. > > The evidence is there, it’s up to you. I’m not going to argue, it’s a complete waste of time. > > But somewhere out there maybe one person will check, and it will help them be healthy. The people who THINK THEY KNOW are the worst sort of people to try and convince. > > So suffer bitches, I could give a fuck. My Dentists is one of the new breed, that know from science what is good, and what is not. The rest can go fuck themselves. So - you can’t point to any actual medical science or reports? thats all I fucking asked for you pathetic fuck. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/25 "2014-03-12T15:33:37Z")
> **[mercury fillings - Search Results - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=mercury%2Bfillings)** > > mercury fillings - Search Results - PubMed That’s a start. But ask a Dentist WHO DOES NOT EVER USE mercury for fillings. they know better than you ever will why. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/26 "2014-03-12T15:35:54Z")
> **[Crowns after root canals: Are they a necessity? - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24598487/)** > > Crowns after root canals: Are they a necessity? > **[Clinical investigation of bacterial species and endotoxin in endodontic...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24535073/)** > > The present study revealed that Gram-negative bacterial species and endotoxins play an important role in the development of signs/symptoms and the severity of bone destruction, this knowledge is essential for the establishment of an effective... > **[Antibiotic resistance and capacity for biofilm formation of different...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24461408/)** > > These results suggest that the clinical significance of endodontic infections could include that they serve as a reservoir for antibiotic resistance. Furthermore, endodontic treatment should consider the adhesion and biofilm formation by a variety of... > **[Quantification of endotoxins in infected root canals and acute apical abscess...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24461400/)** > > The present study revealed a strong association between the high levels of endotoxins found in AAAs and RCs collected from the same tooth. Moreover, the effectiveness of CMP in reducing the endotoxin levels from RCs in acute endodontic infection was... There are thousands more ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/27 "2014-03-12T15:36:49Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [mercury fillings - Search Results - PubMed](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=mercury+fillings) > > That’s a start. But ask a Dentist WHO DOES NOT EVER USE mercury for fillings. they know better than you ever will why. Mercury fillings are a thing of the past - you were talking about Root Canal’s as ‘being the same as Mercury fillings’. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/28 "2014-03-12T15:38:35Z")
Now back to bitching about teeth, pain and the money. Goddamn, the money. Oh, and the mercury. sometimes evidence is the only thing that matters. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/gCpVmcezCrI/maxresdefault.jpg "The Smoking Tooth Part 1 of 3 | Mercury Filling Removal") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCpVmcezCrI) But in regards to mercury? Evidence won’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/29 "2014-03-12T15:39:41Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Mercury fillings are a thing of the past - you were talking about Root Canal’s as ‘being the same as Mercury fillings’. No, a lot of people, and dentists, still use mercury fillings. The two are actually connected, as the mercury fillings pretty much lead to root canals. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/30 "2014-03-12T15:40:56Z")
Well, this thread got weird fast. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/31 "2014-03-12T15:45:34Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > No, a lot of people, and dentists, still use mercury fillings. The two are actually connected, as the mercury fillings pretty much lead to root canals. THere is no evidence of that - and pointing to studies that find and discuss bacteria/infections related to RC therapy does not indicate the RC was the cause of it. That some teeth that have amalgam fillings eventually need Root Canals is not evidence that the filling itself caused it - but you won’t listen to that. I have 5 such fillings that are fine - [http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/productsandmedicalprocedures/dentalproducts/dentalamalgam/ucm171094.htm](http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/productsandmedicalprocedures/dentalproducts/dentalamalgam/ucm171094.htm) (and I had mis-linked “mercury” from “amalgam” - Mercury is a scare word in comparison) - and my current dentist uses the other stuff, so I assume that alot of dentists are moving away from it as well. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/32 "2014-03-12T15:45:49Z")
I apologize for the youtube link above, it seems to be an ad for a business. The original video is not [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqmOyY9Gzqo) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/33 "2014-03-12T15:47:14Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Well, this thread got weird fast. Oh it’s only just starting. The reason I don’t argue is I have seen this argument for twenty years online. Nobody ever is convinced, no matter how much evidence there is. Total waste of time and energy. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/34 "2014-03-12T15:49:29Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oh it’s only just starting. > > The reason I don’t argue is I have seen this argument for twenty years online. Nobody ever is convinced, no matter how much evidence there is. > > Total waste of time and energy. yep - it is - because there is no evidence that speaks to what you claim. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/35 "2014-03-12T16:13:18Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Well, this thread got weird fast. Yeah, I think we should have a mod move it to the Jesus&Dubya Forum. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/36 "2014-03-12T16:16:28Z")
> [@simster](#): > > yep - it is - because there is no evidence that speaks to what you claim. It is worse than that, remember how you asked about evidence? FX is relying on a video from this outfit: The International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology (IAOMT) > **[Questionable Organizations: An Overview | Quackwatch](https://quackwatch.org/consumer-education/nonrecorg/)** > > Promoters of questionable health practices often form organizations to multiply their effectiveness. How can one tell which ones are reliable and which are ... > [@](#): > > Stephen Barrett, M.D. > > Promoters of questionable health practices often form organizations to multiply their effectiveness. How can one tell which ones are reliable and which are not? There is no sure way, but nine precautionary questions may help: > > 1. Are its ideas inside the scientific mainstream? Some groups admit that they were formed because their founders felt alienated from the scientific community. One group that made no secret of this was actually called the American Quack Association, whose main purposes were to provide emotional support to its members, poke fun at their critics, and stimulate positive public feelings toward unconventional practitioners. The group was founded in 1985 by Jonathan Wright, M.D., who became its president, and Roy Kupsinel, M.D., a “holistic” practitioner from Florida, who became its vice-president. It attracted about 300 members but no longer appears active. > > 2. Who are its leaders and advisors? The International Society for Fluoride Research may sound respectable, but it is actually an antifluoridation group. The International Academy of Preventive Medicine (now called the International Academy of Nutrition and Preventive Medicine) numbered among its leaders Carlton Fredericks, Linus Pauling, Lendon Smith, and other promoters of questionable nutrition practices. The Health Resources Council was founded by Gary Null to promote “alternative” health methods. And yes, that academy is in the quack-watch list. Other doctors that investigate quacks even debunked the “smoking” mercury video. [http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/04/smoking-teeth-truth-gets-smoked-out.html](http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/04/smoking-teeth-truth-gets-smoked-out.html) ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/37 "2014-03-12T16:21:31Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > I’m going to need both of you to wait in the hall while the rest of us discuss what to do with you. . . I suggest the [Bad Joke Box](http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1410). > [@FXMastermind](#): > > . . . Yes, but the root canals have their own set of problems, an issue fought tooth and nail (pun intended) by those who do root canals. . . . Crowns due to lost fillings usually don’t need root canals. Sympathy for the run of replacements, **Retvim**. The overlapping pains to the head and the wallet make dental work an evil harmonic convergence. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/38 "2014-03-12T16:34:53Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Other doctors that investigate quacks even debunked the “smoking” mercury video. > [Confessions of a Quackbuster: "Smoking Teeth" - the truth gets "smoked out"](http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/04/smoking-teeth-truth-gets-smoked-out.html) Wrong, that ridiculous “debunking” was shown to be completely false, which is what happens when you don’t use science to investigate. > **[Mercury Must Be Bad – If Not in Vaccines, In Teeth](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/mercury-must-be-bad-if-not-in-vaccines-in-teeth/)** > > Those of us who are baby boomers or older can remember playing with mercury when we were young. The thermometer broke, and you pushed the little globules around. Or you fooled around with the stuff in After she realized I was correct, she replied > [@](#): > > "I had not seen that particular video. I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on the validity of the tests done in that video. I hope someone who is will comment. > > But even if mercury vapor can be detected in this way, what does that mean? " > **[Mercury Must Be Bad – If Not in Vaccines, In Teeth](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/mercury-must-be-bad-if-not-in-vaccines-in-teeth/)** > > Those of us who are baby boomers or older can remember playing with mercury when we were young. The thermometer broke, and you pushed the little globules around. Or you fooled around with the stuff in Note she never retracted the ridiculous “debunking”, much less addressed the issue of mercury. It’s why I have a lot disdain for “experts” who don’t know shit about what they are trying to talk about. [Like the idiot on quackwatch](http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/04/smoking-teeth-truth-gets-smoked-out.html) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/39 "2014-03-12T16:36:23Z")
Oh fuck me, I’m getting sucked into a never ending argument. note the dates on the above links. 6 years later, she still hasn’t responded, and she never will. “Experts” really hate being shown to be dead wrong. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365/40 "2014-03-12T16:39:06Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oh fuck me, I’m getting sucked into a never ending argument. You’re the one that brought up this fucking nonsense - its your own fucking fault. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-goddamn-tired-of-dental-problems/683365.md?page=3)