# I'm SO sick of hearing "Trump voters are not bad people...we need to empathize with them". FUCK THAT **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 18, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921 "2016-10-18T04:00:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/261 "2016-10-19T22:06:27Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Anyone else notice that a certain rabid Trumper has made only one Pit post since Waco joined? This is the Pit. No need to be cryptic. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/262 "2016-10-19T22:12:55Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Don’t get me wrong–they still hate abortion, but they are pro-choice. It might be good for them to realize that pretty much EVERY pro-choice person does not like abortion. It’s not like pro-choice people are going “Yay! More abortions for everyone! That would be terrific!” This needs to be made VERY clear to them. It seems that the Anti-abortion crowd are often confused on this major point. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/263 "2016-10-19T22:19:54Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It might be good for them to realize that pretty much EVERY pro-choice person does not like abortion. It’s not like pro-choice people are going “Yay! More abortions for everyone! That would be terrific!” > > This needs to be made VERY clear to them. It seems that the Anti-abortion crowd are often confused on this major point. Yes. But also know that many that are anti-choice are also against birth control. Gods will and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/264 "2016-10-19T22:29:11Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Are you seriously debating yourself? Well it does save a lot of time for everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/265 "2016-10-19T22:49:17Z")
Banned name! ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/266 "2016-10-19T22:51:37Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It might be good for them to realize that pretty much EVERY pro-choice person does not like abortion. It’s not like pro-choice people are going “Yay! More abortions for everyone! That would be terrific!” > > This needs to be made VERY clear to them. It seems that the Anti-abortion crowd are often confused on this major point. A writer says she [love abortions](http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-09-25/frisky-rant-actually-i-love-abortion/). Another one says she [loves abortion, too](https://rewire.news/article/2012/03/14/choice-words-about-abortion-0/). And [another](https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/why-i-love-abortion/). There’s [even](http://www.cafepress.com/mf/14500556/i-love-abortion-ash-grey_tshirt?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=pla-google&utm_campaign=640265407-d-c&utm_content=27654277210-adid-93474589450&utm_term=pla-73027143490-pid-74594887&productId=74594887)[merchandise to this effect.](https://www.amazon.com/Love-Abortions-Unisex-Hoodie-Small/dp/B00R83C4OC) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/267 "2016-10-19T22:58:43Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > A writer says she [love abortions](http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-09-25/frisky-rant-actually-i-love-abortion/). > Another one says she [loves abortion, too](https://rewire.news/article/2012/03/14/choice-words-about-abortion-0/). > And [another](https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/why-i-love-abortion/). > There’s [even](http://www.cafepress.com/mf/14500556/i-love-abortion-ash-grey_tshirt?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=pla-google&utm_campaign=640265407-d-c&utm_content=27654277210-adid-93474589450&utm_term=pla-73027143490-pid-74594887&productId=74594887)[merchandise to this effect.](https://www.amazon.com/Love-Abortions-Unisex-Hoodie-Small/dp/B00R83C4OC) I read a couple of those links. What they “love” is that women have access to abortion. For example: > [@](#): > > While it may be true that no one likes the physical act of having an abortion (any more than she may like her yearly mammogram, life-saving chemotherapy, or temporarily uncomfortable dental surgery), a great many women like abortion itself. They like knowing that an unwanted pregnancy does not have to yield an unwanted child. They like knowing that their mental and physical health take precedence over an embryo. They like knowing that they own their bodies. Many medical procedures are physically unpleasant, but that doesn’t lessen how grateful we are to have them available when we need them. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/268 "2016-10-19T23:05:11Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > We will see. He won’t release his tax records. That 757 is not cheap to be sure. > > Unfortunately, there are many that will still stand by him. I suspect though, that the ones that can donate, will see his duplicity and turn away. > > Those that love his racist, misogynist ideals will probably not have much to give to their failed emperor. They scare me. Had no idea there where so many. Unfortunately I think this is a kind of myth also. I’m sure there are low income rednecks who like Trump, but the median income of the people who voted for him in the primary (which was, as he loves to point out, the greatest number of people supporting any Republican candidate in history) was something like $73,000 per year. So half of those millions of supporters make more than that. His true base is therefore not really trailer park type people, but rather rural and exurban middle-aged and older white dudes with decent incomes, who pine for the country to be for them the way it was for their fathers in the _Mad Men_ days, when women and nonwhites knew their place, and white dudes could be blatantly sexist, slap the secretary’s ass, and tell off-color or racist jokes without anyone getting offended. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It might be good for them to realize that pretty much EVERY pro-choice person does not like abortion. It’s not like pro-choice people are going “Yay! More abortions for everyone! That would be terrific!” > > This needs to be made VERY clear to them. It seems that the Anti-abortion crowd are often confused on this major point. This is not exactly true though. If you go on sites like Daily Kos or Jezebel or feminist Twitter you will see people pushing back against this meme, saying they love their abortion. They are not exactly helping the cause, but it is what it is. If you Google “I love abortion shirts” you will see many designs and sizes. There are also stickers, mugs, etc. Here are examples of women pushing back against the “safe, legal and rare” formulation: > **[I Love Abortion: Implying Otherwise Accomplishes Nothing for Women's Rights](https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2012/03/14/choice-words-about-abortion-0/)** > > Suggesting that abortion be “safe, legal, and rare,” and crowing that “no one likes abortion,” accomplishes nothing for women's rights. Rather than trying to cozy up to the forced-birth camp, women who value their freedom should be proud to say... > [@](#): > > Suggesting that abortion be “safe, legal, and rare,” and crowing that “no one likes abortion,” accomplishes nothing for women’s rights. Pandering to the anti-choice movement by implying that we all find termination distasteful only fuels the fire against it. What good is common ground if it must be achieved at the expense of women who have had or will have abortions? Those women need advocates like us more than we need support from anti-abortionists. Rather than trying to cozy up to the forced-birth camp, women who value their freedom should be proud to say that they like abortion. In fact, they should venerate it whole-heartedly. Abortion is our last refuge, the one final, definitive instrument that secures our bodily autonomy. What’s not to love? [http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-09-25/frisky-rant-actually-i-love-abortion/](http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-09-25/frisky-rant-actually-i-love-abortion/) > [@](#): > > And then around 2:10 things went off the rails: “…And I know nobody likes abortion, okay…” > > Really? You know? > > Allow me to introduce myself, Mr. Nye. My name is Katie and I LOOOOOOOVE abortion. Which, I guess, sort of makes you correct on a technicality since I don’t just like abortion. But I would hope that someone who has committed themselves to science and facts the way you have — with the patience to explain science to children, no less! — could have considered checking into the things you don’t know about abortion before turning on the camera. > **[4 Women Share Their Abortion Stories](https://www.bustle.com/articles/127923-4-women-share-their-abortion-stories)** > > According to the Guttmacher Institute, 30 percent of U.S. women will have had an abortion by age 45, a statistic backed up by the Advocate's for Youth's recent 1 in 3 Campaign. In fact, each year, 1.2 million American women have abortions — yet… > [@](#): > > I love to talk about my abortion, because it was an important and empowering moment in my life, and because it normalizes a procedure that should already be considered normal. I had a medical problem, I received medical care, my friends helped me through it, I got better; there wasn’t much more to it. I’m tired of hearing watered-down pro-choice arguments that apologize for the necessity of abortions, even as they defend our right to have them. I’m not interested in apologizing for doing everything in my power to take care of myself. > **[My abortion made me happy: The story that started the #shoutyourabortion...](https://www.salon.com/2015/09/22/my_abortion_made_me_happy_the_story_that_started_the_shoutyourabortion_movement/)** > > We've been brainwashed to think we must regret our abortions. I have a good heart, and feel only gratitude for mine > [@](#): > > I’m telling you my story plainly, proudly, flippantly even, because we have all been brainwashed to believe that the absence of negative emotions around having an abortion is the mark of an emotionally bankrupt person. It’s not. I have a good heart and my abortion made me happy. ETA: Ninja’d! My cites include excerpts though, which make it clear that they are saying “fuck you” to people like **Euphonious Polemic.** ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/269 "2016-10-19T23:09:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > This is not exactly true though. If you go on sites like Daily Kos or Jezebel or feminist Twitter you will see people pushing back against this meme, saying they love their abortion. They are not exactly helping the cause, but it is what it is. Well I guess I live in a bubble then. Color me educated. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > If you Google “I love abortion shirts” you will see many designs and sizes. There are also stickers, mugs, etc. Thanks… I’ll take your word for it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/270 "2016-10-19T23:14:58Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > A writer says she [love abortions](http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-09-25/frisky-rant-actually-i-love-abortion/). > Another one says she [loves abortion, too](https://rewire.news/article/2012/03/14/choice-words-about-abortion-0/). > And [another](https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/why-i-love-abortion/). > There’s [even](http://www.cafepress.com/mf/14500556/i-love-abortion-ash-grey_tshirt?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=pla-google&utm_campaign=640265407-d-c&utm_content=27654277210-adid-93474589450&utm_term=pla-73027143490-pid-74594887&productId=74594887)[merchandise to this effect.](https://www.amazon.com/Love-Abortions-Unisex-Hoodie-Small/dp/B00R83C4OC) It looks like unlike me, you didn’t read your cites before posting the links. The third one is from a man, and an anti-feminist PUA jackass at that. ETA: > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Well I guess I live in a bubble then. Color me educated. > > Thanks… I’ll take your word for it. You’re welcome, and FTR I would prefer it be as you thought it was. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/271 "2016-10-19T23:22:10Z")
> [@Waco](#): > > Wow. Is that how you people work it? > Jump to conclusions much? > Well, that’s standard operating procedure, isn’t it? > You have to demonize me, by pretending I’m a person who has mysteriously disappeared, only to return as someone else, a phoenix arising from the ashes of some discredited poster? > Oh, the pain! Thing is Waco, you must have done a happy little troll dance when you found that username was available. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/272 "2016-10-19T23:24:40Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > This is the Pit. No need to be cryptic. [He’s back.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19713817#post19713817) ---
**Author:** ![Waco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@Waco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/273 "2016-10-20T01:10:09Z")
> [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](#): > > Thing is Waco, you must have done a happy little troll dance when you found that username was available. As you yourself undoubtedly did when you jumped to this conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Waco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@Waco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/274 "2016-10-20T01:11:46Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [He’s back.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19713817#post19713817) Paranoia is a terrible condition. Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![Waco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@Waco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/275 "2016-10-20T01:18:35Z")
The thing is, Skywatcher,I don’t really know how to correct your opinion of me, as far as my identity is concerned. I’m sure you know that, though. Saying that I’m someone I’m not, apparently jives with your belief system somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Waco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@Waco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/276 "2016-10-20T01:36:56Z")
Trump did the Democrats a favor by running. The Republican party is in total disarray. Is there anyone out there who thinks Trump can win? Trump’s a laughingstock, all over the world. I would not think he’s capable of being a world leader. That, to me anyway, is the most important fact regarding Trump. When Hillary walked out on Lavrov, she showed remarkable fortitude. That impressed me, notably. ---
**Author:** ![Waco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@Waco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/277 "2016-10-20T01:41:21Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > This is the Pit. No need to be cryptic. Skywatcher thinks I’m Satan,aka a Trump supporter. Neither, actually. I know I’m not a Trump supporter, and if I’m Satan I should be getting paid more. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/278 "2016-10-20T04:23:53Z")
You’re trying way, way too hard. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/279 "2016-10-20T05:05:16Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You’re trying way, way too hard. I hear ya; but my question would be: trying to do _what_, exactly? Not that I’ve put overly much effort into trying to figure it out, as I agree with the poster upthread who said it was getting pretty boring. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/280 "2016-10-20T05:18:45Z")
Seems to happen on a regular basis, and the personality types are so much the same, its almost as though it might be the same person. Gonna just walk in here and tell those libruhls what’s what, straight from the shoulder, in gruff tones of common sense. Like Bill O’Reilly but without the warmth and genial good nature. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921.md?page=15)